Jose Mourinho

[Gb160]

Now considering our squad is very close as a whole, it wouldn't take alot for many to discuss things in private and start to see this attitude spread through the squad.

Just needs a van full of those little pigs to smooth things over.

 

[aussiespursguy]

And then had a massive slump - let's not forget that. That self-same garden gnome saw his side arse-torn by a side managed by the very same man they sacked in favour of said garden gnome. At home.

That same garden gnome that now has his team equal top now.
Perspective my friend.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Ali Gold touches on this for a bit in his latest video. Still watching as it just came out, but the relevant part starts at around 10:30 in the vid.

He's moved home! Farrow and Ball blue background.

Well middle class, Ali.

 

[Trix]

The trouble at United was that he didn't get players he wanted. Woodward's a muppet and buys who he wants, which was the root of the problems at United.
Jose actually got very few of the players he wanted, iirc Fred being a prime example.

He knew that we wouldn't be spending vast amounts of cash but in all honesty, our spending was looking to increase until Covid came along.
Our empty stadium has really scuppered our plans.

Thing is I'm not entirely convinced he wanted Bale. I think it was the case of had he turned him down and he ripped it up elsewhere it would have been inexcusable. For the record he could have said no.

That same garden gnome that now has his team equal top now.
Perspective my friend.

No manager can be judged properly during Co-vid football. There are far too many variables that won't be there once things get back to normal. It's why I feel sorry for Jose. Takes over a struggling side in December with fixtures every 2-3 days. Get through that then lock down. Get a few players in in the summer. Then no real pre season to work with new players, and thoroughly work through his ideas. Fixtures again every couple of days during a far more intense lock down. Fixtures cancelled last minute, travel disruptions hotel restrictions etc etc. I know it's the same for every team, but it's a huge advantage to those managers already settled at a side.

 

[SuperPav10]

There's also a big difference between 'falling out' with someone and being dropped for underperforming tho.

Those players should be falling over themselves to do what it takes to get back into the side. Not running to agents, moaning in the press (Winks has done this a lot), and downing tools.

And worst of all, Levy shouldn't be entertaining agents or players with this rubbish either. It undermines the manager.

 

[Dr Benson]

Thing is I'm not entirely convinced he wanted Bale. I think it was the case of had he turned him down and he ripped it up elsewhere it would have been inexcusable. For the record he could have said no.

No manager can be judged properly during Co-vid football. There are far too many variables that won't be there once things get back to normal. It's why I feel sorry for Jose. Takes over a struggling side in December with fixtures every 2-3 days. Get through that then lock down. Get a few players in in the summer. Then no real pre season to work with new players, and thoroughly work through his ideas. Fixtures again every couple of days during a far more intense lock down. Fixtures cancelled last minute, travel disruptions hotel restrictions etc etc. I know it's the same for every team, but it's a huge advantage to those managers already settled at a side.

Yes, you’re right. But, that doesn’t explain why he use five defenders against Brighton, and why he instructs his team to play a kind of defensively oriented conservative football with moderate pressing against Brighton etc. COVID is no excuse for that.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

There's also a big difference between 'falling out' with someone and being dropped for underperforming tho.

Those players should be falling over themselves to do what it takes to get back into the side. Not running to agents, moaning in the press (Winks has done this a lot), and downing tools.

And worst of all, Levy shouldn't be entertaining agents or players with this rubbish either. It undermines the manager.

Why wouldn't Jose pull up Serge, Dier...they're not good enough.

Player power!

Get rid of Jose and we'll still be left with a Europey level team over all. Coasting along.

 

[Trix]

Yes, you’re right. But, that doesn’t explain why he use five defenders against Brighton, and why he instructs his team to play a kind of defensively oriented conservative football with moderate pressing against Brighton etc. COVID is no excuse for that.

No it doesn't. Said it a hundred times already, last 2 games there are zero excuses to be made.

 

[Haddock]

I think it's safe to say that when we did play well and were top of the league one major reason was that we had a settled back four with Toby and Dier and they were 100% committed to Mourinho. Considering the players we have upfront it's always been about finding the right balance in defence and sticking with it. It did work...for a while.

Fast forward. We see Mourinho losing faith in his options and he changes his back four with every match. Which in turn means the players themselves loses faith in Mourinho. And we look absolutely shambolic at the back. Brighton ran circles around us for f*ck sake.

If Mourinho somehow gets this Spurs team playing again it will be through once again stitching up that defence.

 

[dudu]

Thing is I'm not entirely convinced he wanted Bale. I think it was the case of had he turned him down and he ripped it up elsewhere it would have been inexcusable. For the record he could have said no.

No manager can be judged properly during Co-vid football. There are far too many variables that won't be there once things get back to normal. It's why I feel sorry for Jose. Takes over a struggling side in December with fixtures every 2-3 days. Get through that then lock down. Get a few players in in the summer. Then no real pre season to work with new players, and thoroughly work through his ideas. Fixtures again every couple of days during a far more intense lock down. Fixtures cancelled last minute, travel disruptions hotel restrictions etc etc. I know it's the same for every team, but it's a huge advantage to those managers already settled at a side.

Am I right in thinking that it's not only the preseason that we missed but we have barely had a week to train properly the entire season. Yes this is the same for a few teams but not all and we have certainly been the team with the toughest schedule since the very start.

 

[Doctor Dinkey]

I'm of the opinion we should stick with him for the time being regardless of immediate results for a few reasons.
Firstly, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with the way his teams set up. We've seen some terrific performances this season and last. The issue is that his approach demands a high level of discipline, intelligence and athleticism from his players, and sadly our guys just haven't been up to it. That's why you've seen him switching the team and scrabbling around with his subs. He just can't trust them to play in the way he needs them to. We need a higher level of competence and commitment from our squad. These guys let down Poch and they will let down our next manager too.
Sacking him now would leave us in absolute limbo. There's no one ready to take over, and this talk of caretakers is nonsense. Who's to say if Nagelsmann would come to us, or even if he'd succeed with this crop of players? Our top players, IMO, are more likely to stay under mourinho, and would use any managerial change as an excuse to ship out.
The other reason concerns Levy. He's in awe of José, and is more likely to give him what he needs in the transfer market than a new guy. So far we've seen some promising new acquisitions.
So the key is the playing personnel. We need to use the current results as a spur to improve the squad, however difficult that is under the current circumstances. With the right players I'm sure he can still succeed. Sack him and we're stuck in the same holding circle, waiting for the same players to let down the next manager in the same way they've done this one.

 

[Trix]

I think it's safe to say that when we did play well and were top of the league one major reason was that we had a settled back four with Toby and Dier and they were 100% committed to Mourinho. Considering the players we have upfront it's always been about finding the right balance in defence and sticking with it. It did work...for a while.

Fast forward. We see Mourinho losing faith in his options and he changes his back four with every match. Which in turn means the players themselves loses faith in Mourinho. And we look absolutely shambolic at the back. Brighton ran circles around us for f*ck sake.

If Mourinho somehow gets this Spurs team playing again it will be through once again stitching up that defence.

We were also playing that low block every man behind the ball and counter attack football that everyone was criticising. Yes we struggled a bit when teams didn't come on to us, but we weren't losing those games.

That system suited our back 4 because everything was always in front of them. They didn't have to turn or track runners. They just sat in a line and cleared it up field. Our CB's aren't bright/mobile enough to defend any other way with the exception of Toby who it's clear doesn't have the mobility he once had.

 

[Stamford]

There's also a big difference between 'falling out' with someone and being dropped for underperforming tho.

Those players should be falling over themselves to do what it takes to get back into the side. Not running to agents, moaning in the press (Winks has done this a lot), and downing tools.

And worst of all, Levy shouldn't be entertaining agents or players with this rubbish either. It undermines the manager.

Absolutely spot on. The fact that the likes of winks are dictating what goes on means we are screwed regardless of Mourinho. Winks should be thankful he even has a career here, not complaining every chance he gets.

 

[EastLondonYid]

That’s why he needs time

Gedson and Doherty?.....ok.....

 

[Stamford]

Gedson and Doherty?.....ok.....

Can make the same argument for PEH and Reggie the other way. Ok.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Can make the same argument for PEH and Reggie the other way. Ok.

If you think the majority of the players mourinho has brought are fine ,then sit back and enjoy.
Of course it depends on what you want and how ambitious you are.If you are talking title challenge or even making it to the top four, you may be disappointed, and let's not kid ourselves, Jose doesn't do long term rebuilds, so I think we are pretty much fucked hence the dross we are witnessing.

 

[spursfan77]

The supposition that Jose has fallen out with various players... Do we know who? Or why?

Danny Rose. Okay. Makes sense. But he's not very good, and has pissed off other managers too.
Dele. Clearly something is wrong with this relationship. That goes without saying. But Jose gave Dele lots of chances last season. And old Dele showed up for about a month, and then reverted back to bad form.

Those are the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

Unless there's a school of thought that he's fallen out with Aurier too? Because the player stormed off and left the stadium at HT, after being subbed and getting a dressing down from the manager? He behaved impetuously. And should not be mollycoddled after pulling a stunt like that.

Who else?
Lloris? No.
Toby? Nope.
Dav? Can't see why.
Reggie? Maybe there's some left over disappointment with him and Lamela being dick wads and breaking social distancing protocols.
Dier? Not a chance.
Doherty? Unlikely.
PEH? Fuck, no.
Winks? Maybe. But he's given the guy a lot of chances. And more often than not this season, he has been average at best.
Sissoko? Hell-to-the-no.
Kane? Doubtful. Unless he is pissed about doing defensive work. But something tells me he knows it comes down to the players.
Sonny? No way in hell.
Stevie B? Nada.
Lucas? Maybe. But only has his own incompetence to blame.
Bale? Could be. But hardly has a leg to stand on (mostly 'cos it's usually injured!). He's been cack.
Vini? Perhaps. Though I'd imagine his frustration is probably directed more at himself, as he wants to do better.
Lamela? See Reggie.
Lo Celso? Does he still play for us?
Hart? Methinks not.
Tanguy? Certainly last season. This season? Not at all.
Davies? Honestly don't think he cares one way or the other.
Rodon? I'm guessing he gets on well with the gaffer.
Gedson? Does it matter?
Japhet? I don't think he would have cause for complaint, as he has been struggling with injuries all season.

So, if he fallen out with players and lost the dressing room, I'd be curious to learn exactly who are the players he has ruffled and no longer want him around.

He hasn’t fallen out with the players. Ally Gold said he still retains the backing of the dressing room in an article on Monday.

Maybe some of the light weights need shaking up a bit anyway.

 

[spursfan77]

There's also a big difference between 'falling out' with someone and being dropped for underperforming tho.

Those players should be falling over themselves to do what it takes to get back into the side. Not running to agents, moaning in the press (Winks has done this a lot), and downing tools.

And worst of all, Levy shouldn't be entertaining agents or players with this rubbish either. It undermines the manager.

I don’t think he does. He treats both with disdain from what I’ve seen. Take the Amazon doc, not once did you see him in awe of the players. If anything they were pests to him.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

No manager can be judged properly during Co-vid football. There are far too many variables that won't be there once things get back to normal. It's why I feel sorry for Jose. Takes over a struggling side in December with fixtures every 2-3 days. Get through that then lock down. Get a few players in in the summer. Then no real pre season to work with new players, and thoroughly work through his ideas. Fixtures again every couple of days during a far more intense lock down. Fixtures cancelled last minute, travel disruptions hotel restrictions etc etc. I know it's the same for every team, but it's a huge advantage to those managers already settled at a side.

For me, this should be nailed to the top of every thread.

 

[spursfan77]

Must be trying to get things to work.