Kane sets challenge for team after identifying reason for 'disappointing' season

[Shadydan]

I agree. But what I refuse to do is paint a halo around Kane's head for simply doing his job. Which is to score goals. He has shown too little leadership to be labelled as the victim of being surrounded by mediocrity.

No one is asking you to really, just more appreciation of faults of the team without looking directly at him.

 

[Johnny J]

However bad Kane was on Sunday, he's been carrying the team for many years now. He's earned the right to speak out. No one else really has, possibly Hugo and maaaaybe Son.

 

[sebo_sek]

No one is asking you to really, just more appreciation of faults of the team without looking directly at him.

Oh believe me I do. I jumped on him because he seems to be a half step down from the messiah on here.

 

[Shadydan]

Oh believe me I do. I jumped on him because he seems to be a half step down from the messiah on here.

That's fair, there's been some over adulation of him in the Kane thread rather annoyingly but I don't think it helps to be overly critical of him either!

 

[jolsnogross]

What a laugh. We have one, maybe two, genuinely world class players. Guys whose end product would get them into the best teams in the world. And yet they're as much part of the problem as the rest for why we don't win trophys

I hope we don't lose him, but I think Kane would be a bit mad to want to stay. In fact, it might make me question whether he has a winning mentality.

 

[beuller]

maybe scoring goals in Cup finals,
will get you a trophy citizen Kane

Kane is the problem? That is a tragic post. I guess we as fans get what we deserve.

 

[parj]

2 cup finals he was injured going into. Maybe he needs to learn to say "use me as a sub" instead of trying to be a "hero".

If you don't train 2 days before then it's highly unlikely you really had a miracle healing that enabled you to give 100%.

I want him to stay but he needs to learn to say he not fit. That's as much as part of the problem as our spursy mentality.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The expected reaction on SC. It's a shame.

He's not Lionel Messi and although he can win games on his own it isn't something he, or any other player can swtich on and off, pick and choose when he does it. Otherwise we'd be winning every fucking week. We're all frustrated and he's entitled to be too.

 

[double0]

I hope Kane gets trophies at Spurs but he too has to perform in the moment also. He has been part of our falling short... I get that he'll always get questioned about his career and I honestly feel he shouldn't be put continuously in that position to speak on it.

If Kane said Tottenham is my club and is my dream to keep playing for this club it'll end speculation. { I think hope doubt}

 

[14/04/91]

Wasn’t anywhere near match fit in the CL final.
And his ankle wasn’t 100% Sunday. You could tell he was being cautious.

So he couldn’t be his usual dynamic self. But personally I’d rather him on the pitch than the bench in both cases.

His team-mates (that were all fit) didn’t contribute enough, didn’t give their all and some didn’t play to the best of their ability.

Too much pressure on one player. If he’s not fit or has an off day, not many others seem to step up do they?

 

[SPURSLIFE]

However bad Kane was on Sunday, he's been carrying the team for many years now. He's earned the right to speak out. No one else really has, possibly Hugo and maaaaybe Son.

Although Rose did and where is he now?

 

[brasil_spur]

The expected reaction on SC. It's a shame.

He's not Lionel Messi and although he can win games on his own it isn't something he, or any other player can swtich on and off, pick and choose when he does it. Otherwise we'd be winning every fucking week. We're all frustrated and he's entitled to be too.

And Lionel Messi doesn't turn up for important matches for Argentina either. At club level he's the best player of all time, at international level he'd not even make the top 50 players of all time.

There's a difference between being a world class player most of the time and being one all of the time. Messi doesn't perform as well for internationals and Kane doesn't perform as well in cup finals. It's not about winning it on his own, but we were 0-0 at 80 mins, despite being under pressure there was enough opportunity for Kane to step up and assert himself more into the game in a way that could made a difference to the result. Setting up one opportunity for PEH is not what we're talking about. We all know what Kane can do, he's maybe the best in the league at creating goals out of nothing, but he simply wasn't on form on Sunday. Neither was the rest of the team, and they should all be held to account. But Kane has as much, if not more, responsibility to bare as the other players.

 

[brasil_spur]

Wasn’t anywhere near match fit in the CL final.
And his ankle wasn’t 100% Sunday. You could tell he was being cautious.

So he couldn’t be his usual dynamic self. But personally I’d rather him on the pitch than the bench in both cases.

His team-mates (that were all fit) didn’t contribute enough, didn’t give their all and some didn’t play to the best of their ability.

Too much pressure on one player. If he’s not fit or has an off day, not many others seem to step up do they?

It's not too much pressure IMO, it's the right amount of pressure. He is the outfield captain and clearly the most talented (and highest paid) player in the squad. That means he has more pressure and responsibility on him. I get that he wasn't match fit and so it's hard to be too harsh, but at the same time he was about as weak (relatively speaking) in that game as any other player in the squad.

 

[Gassin's finest]

maybe scoring goals in Cup finals,
will get you a trophy citizen Kane

H was the only one trying to create something in the second half. Mostly because he was the only one on the pitch who was capable of creating something.

Maybe if the whole team had his attitude we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

And Lionel Messi doesn't turn up for important matches for Argentina either. At club level he's the best player of all time, at international level he'd not even make the top 50 players of all time.

There's a difference between being a world class player most of the time and being one all of the time. Messi doesn't perform as well for internationals and Kane doesn't perform as well in cup finals. It's not about winning it on his own, but we were 0-0 at 80 mins, despite being under pressure there was enough opportunity for Kane to step up and assert himself more into the game in a way that could made a difference to the result. Setting up one opportunity for PEH is not what we're talking about. We all know what Kane can do, he's maybe the best in the league at creating goals out of nothing, but he simply wasn't on form on Sunday. Neither was the rest of the team, and they should all be held to account. But Kane has as much, if not more, responsibility to bare as the other players.

OK.

 

[mumfordspur]

One of those rare threads where I can see the merit in both sides of the argument

 

[Shadydan]

And Lionel Messi doesn't turn up for important matches for Argentina either. At club level he's the best player of all time, at international level he'd not even make the top 50 players of all time.

There's a difference between being a world class player most of the time and being one all of the time. Messi doesn't perform as well for internationals and Kane doesn't perform as well in cup finals. It's not about winning it on his own, but we were 0-0 at 80 mins, despite being under pressure there was enough opportunity for Kane to step up and assert himself more into the game in a way that could made a difference to the result. Setting up one opportunity for PEH is not what we're talking about. We all know what Kane can do, he's maybe the best in the league at creating goals out of nothing, but he simply wasn't on form on Sunday. Neither was the rest of the team, and they should all be held to account. But Kane has as much, if not more, responsibility to bare as the other players.

That just lends weight to the fact that players can't always do it on their own, the fact that you're even using arguably the greatest player to play the sport as an example tells you that, again what are these players meant to do if they are not getting the ball? You'd have a point if these players were missing chances laid on by their team mates but they aren't even seeing the ball that much.

You can make the same argument for anyone, Lewandowski for Poland is a totally different player to Lewandowski for Bayern because of the lack of quality behind him, Ronaldo now at Juve is the same - they are miles off 1st place because of the lack of quality behind him and he's always been a player who has stepped up, you can only do so much if you're playing with a handicap.

 

[sebo_sek]

Wasn’t anywhere near match fit in the CL final.
And his ankle wasn’t 100% Sunday. You could tell he was being cautious.

So he couldn’t be his usual dynamic self. But personally I’d rather him on the pitch than the bench in both cases.

His team-mates (that were all fit) didn’t contribute enough, didn’t give their all and some didn’t play to the best of their ability.

Too much pressure on one player. If he’s not fit or has an off day, not many others seem to step up do they?

Other than when he was injured two years ago and Son stepped up, in the QF and SF of the CL, Kane and Son's injury last year... Fuckin hell people have got blinders on.

 

[brasil_spur]

That just lends weight to the fact that players can't always do it on their own, the fact that you're even using arguably the greatest player to play the sport as an example tells you that, again what are these players meant to do if they are not getting the ball? You'd have a point if these players were missing chances laid on by their team mates but they aren't even seeing the ball that much.

You can make the same argument for anyone, Lewandowski for Poland is a totally different player to Lewandowski for Bayern because of the lack of quality behind him, Ronaldo now at Juve is the same - they are miles off 1st place because of the lack of quality behind him and he's always been a player who has stepped up, you can only do so much if you're playing with a handicap.

Ronaldo is a bad example given that he won the Euros with Portugal.

Messi, despite Argentina being a team with better players than Portugal, hasn't won anything with Messi. You would have thought at least a Copa America or a Confederations Cup win over the years.

It's why many Argentinians still rate Maradona as the greatest footballer of all time, because he showed up for club and country. Albeit his only real win with Argentina was the '86 world cup. But that's all it takes IMO - showing up and winning a cup. If Kane had dominated the Cup Final against City in the way we know he can dominate a game and won us that cup it would have been amazing. As it is he's still a legend, but he could have done more for us in the finals IMO.

 

[Shadydan]

Ronaldo is a bad example given that he won the Euros with Portugal.

Messi, despite Argentina being a team with better players than Portugal, hasn't won anything with Messi. You would have thought at least a Copa America or a Confederations Cup win over the years.

It's why many Argentinians still rate Maradona as the greatest footballer of all time, because he showed up for club and country. Albeit his only real win with Argentina was the '86 world cup. But that's all it takes IMO - showing up and winning a cup. If Kane had dominated the Cup Final against City in the way we know he can dominate a game and won us that cup it would have been amazing. As it is he's still a legend, but he could have done more for us in the finals IMO.

He's the perfect example seeing as Juve are struggling now (why do you think that is?) and Portugal were actually a decent team, they won the EURO 2016 final without him - that's what I call stepping up.

Argentina have been utter balls over the years and Messi has still been producing, look at the World Cup final against Germany were Higuain missed that golden opportunity, how is that Messi's fault? Messi won player of the tournament as well.

How is Kane meant to dominate Man City when his team have 30% of the ball and can't even play out from the back, what exactly is he meant to do?