Lamela needs a run in the 10 position...

[dudu]

He's started twice this season, so it's a little early to start saying every bad game.
Yes he does give the ball away, but so do all the flair players and it's infuriating sometimes and sublime the next.
Harry Kane is actually the worst player for losing possession but he has end product (@dudu will attest to this because we have many a debate on flair players losing possession)
Well Erik Is adding end product he scored hit the post, one ruled out incorrectly for offside put Son and Njie in with chances.
He actually started the move for Sons second goal by winning the ball and starting the move, he did exactly the same thing for his shot that hit the post.
Yes he was crap first half and I've posted this already.
As long as he keeps creating chances and scoring then I'm prepared to put up with the infuriating passages of play.
The same as other supporters do for the likes of Kane, Sanchez and other flair players who frequently give up possession trying to make things happen.

I attest!

He needs to pick it and increase that ratio but ultimately - if he is contributing to our tally of goals then its worth the risk of him losing the ball through trying to achieve the sublime.

One thing i will say is that his second touch and indecision is often the culprit of him losing the ball and not it not always through attempts at invention. Thats where he has to continue to improve - which, overall, he has done to a degree.

 

[Mr Pink]

No, that's just bollocks. A whole post of completely made-up bollocks that no-one ever said.

No-one has said 'his second season doesn't count'. People have merely said it was his first full season in the league, which it was, as in his first season he barely played due to having a broken back.

No-one has said that games he played out wide 'don't count' because he's performed better centrally. Literally no-one has ever said that - you've outright made it up.

No-one has said anything about games before the transfer window not counting. No-one. You've made it up.

And no-one has suggested the part about it being other players fault, either. He does suffer from the fact that our movement is non-existant and our players all dwell on the ball too long, but it's not an excuse for him, just an observation. You're making up the point that people will use it as an excuse.

And no-one has said anything about him giving the ball away not counting, but people have pointed out that players who try to 'make things happen' are more likely to give the ball away when doing so rather than a super-safe player such as Eriksen, who has the talent but chooses not to use it.

Again, revisionism just as I said above. People have not been claiming what you've said - and you saying they have doesn't make it true.

What's astonishing is the lengths to which people like yourself will go to find negatives about a player who plays for your club, who, as much as you might hate to admit it, is statistically our most creative player (in a team which barely creates anything), who gives his all in every game he plays and who, despite regular dodgy performances and some incredibly frustrating moments, still produces moments of skill, moments of brilliance, and moments which win us games and get points for the club.

Last season he scored 6 goals and got 8 assists, and created the most chances of any one of our players all season. This season in a handful of minutes he's got a goal and an assist already. I quite like it when Spurs score, I don't know about you, so I tend to prefer it when the guy who helps the team score more goals than anyone else plays, even if he can be a bit irritating at times.

Now tell me WTF there is to moan about still? You're 100% as repetitive and annoying as the people you're moaning about above.

Spot on mate.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I was going to respond to some of the points you raised, but I see a member of the Lamela Taliban has Spam! rated my post (the equivalent of internet terrorism) and I can see this thread, which had been remarkably good natured, is going to go the same way as the main Lamela thread and every post deemed negative towards Lamela will be given multiple Spam! Dislike WTF! and Doh! ratings, and it'll end up with a collection of people agreeing about everything and liking and agreeing with each other's posts, which convinces them ever more of the certainty of their belief, despite no manager - not AVB, not Sherwood, not Poch - seeming to rate him, no pundit seeming to rate him, no fans of any other club seeming to rate him. I admire your faith, I really do, but I don't think it stands up to the evidence of how the player plays on a weekly basis.

Yes, Pochettino doesn't rate him despite Lamela starting most matches and playing in almost all of them during his tenure.

 

[TH1239]

Can't agree with this. It's a combination of both. There's a lot of truth in both your post and his. A lot of excuses have been made for Lamela - some valid, some not so valid.

He wasn't very good in his first season, but it was severely affected by injury. He wasn't very good in his second season, but it was his first full season. In the brief appearances since then he's been mixed.

I want him to come good, and I tend to lean more towards the view that the first couple of seasons weren't enough to get the full story, but there have been several performances were the objective fan has to say he's not playing well.

What he really needs to do to turn opinions around is to put in a great performance against a big team. Can't think of an occasion when he's done that for us.

He had several high quality performances against big teams last season. People just have short memories. He was very good against Arsenal at home in February. He was excellent against Liverpool at Anfield (see reviews from many posting on this thread here: http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ratings-vs-liverpool.116775/). He was overwhelmingly Man of the Match against City and was roundly praised by many here, too (http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ratings-vs-city.118746/).

 

[fletch82]

It's a bit sad that it seems some of our own want him to fail just so they can say "told you so" or that's how it comes across to me
He is our record signing
He has not been good enough yet
He has shown he could be if he applies himself and calms down
To many spurs fans treating the kid like he is dirt
I wonder if they gave adebayor as much shit and he deserved it.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

He had several high quality performances against big teams last season. People just have short memories. He was very good against Arsenal at home in February. He was excellent against Liverpool at Anfield (see reviews from many posting on this thread here: http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ratings-vs-liverpool.116775/). He was overwhelmingly Man of the Match against City and was roundly praised by many here, too (http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/ratings-vs-city.118746/).

From what i have seen so far this season (the one that really matters) Alli has been as influential and has netted one in as many games let alone over the course of the last two seasons. Playing well in three or four games just won't cut it at PL level, maybe in Italy but not here.

 

[newbie]

You never saw Robbie Keane play for us then?

Yes a lot one of my fav players, I don't see how The two can be compared Keane scored a tonne of goals for us.

 

[jezz]

From what i have seen so far this season (the one that really matters) Alli has been as influential and has netted one in as many games let alone over the course of the last two seasons. Playing well in three or four games just won't cut it at PL level, maybe in Italy but not here.

Still peddling the 2 seasons stuff.
329 minutes of EPL football counts as a season?
If Kane got injured now, I wonder how many fans would say in his second season he scored none or he was injured.

 

[Mr Pink]

Good today - worked hard - set up the move for the goal and most importantly we looked better as a team with him in that position, and when Eriksen came on for Chadli we looked even better.

Son, Lamela and Eriksen should be the three in behind Kane - who all combined for the goal today. Those three bring the best balance and fluidity.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Ewan Roberts‏@EwanRoberts
Lamela is Spurs' joint-leader for chances created (14). Of PL players to have played >30mins, no one averages more key passes per 90 mins.

 

[Larryjanta]

If he can play like that consistently, he'll have a career with us, very good.

 

[Misfit]

He has all the ability to be the mustard. The tits. The shit. Let's hope that he finally finds his feet with us over the next few months because we'll all have a new hero who plays the game the Spurs way - with some swagger - by next season.

And then Real Madrid will sign him after a sustained campaign of unsettling him in the media.

 

[THOWIG]

I wonder if we can fit him, Son, Eriksen and Kane into the same team.

 

[jezz]

Long season all the players are going to be involved to some extent.
Is it nice problem for Poch to have.
Lamela, Eriksen, Son, Pritchard, Townsend, Ali, Chadli, Mason and Njie pick a front 3 from that lot.
We're not short of options which is great.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Been out of the SC loop for the last couple of weeks with work commitments but it's nice to see our forwards now looking more fluid. We're a while off being consistently good, but Son gives us a direct and purposeful approach we've not had in a while and Lamela looked like he really wanted the CAM role today. His energy was coupled with more conviction and his tackle and pass to set up the counter attack for Son's goal was what any fan of any club dreams of. I'd like to see him in the CAM role for a few games on the bounce, where he can hone his chemistry with Son, Eriksen and Kane. I wonder if Ali's emergence as a serious contender for the starting xi is motivating him?

 

[spursbri111]

It's a bit sad that it seems some of our own want him to fail just so they can say "told you so" or that's how it comes across to me
He is our record signing
He has not been good enough yet
He has shown he could be if he applies himself and calms down
To many spurs fans treating the kid like he is dirt
I wonder if they gave adebayor as much shit and he deserved it.

its not hate its frustration. we can all see a great player in there but most performances have been dire. he was very good today and needs to keep that standard. agree

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Yes, Pochettino doesn't rate him despite Lamela starting most matches and playing in almost all of them during his tenure.

Lol at the 2 creatives when it's fact.

 

[SlotBadger]

I don't think this guy is a fan:

"Too often this season those transitions have lost steam as soon as the ball approaches the opposition’s penalty area. Érik Lamela is especially guilty of this. The winger is certainly capable of driving the ball forward, either via passing or dribbling, but for some reason he’s much more prone to play a boring – and impotent – squared pass to a midfielder or even the occasional pass back to the defense instead."

Utterly ridiculous.

Does anybody know Ryan? If so, does he own a guide dog?

 

[faze_coys]

He Works well with son because son isnt afraid of drifting out wide and creating space

Hopefully they will be given the chance to develop more understanding

 

[JAYSTAR]

Good today - worked hard - set up the move for the goal and most importantly we looked better as a team with him in that position, and when Eriksen came on for Chadli we looked even better.

Son, Lamela and Eriksen should be the three in behind Kane - who all combined for the goal today. Those three bring the best balance and fluidity.

Again, I agree. Lamela's contribution to the team is noticeable - especially his tracking back. Eriksen needs to do the same imo to stay in the first team. If he could quickly get more decisive instead of getting caught in two minds once he's further up the pitch which means he's often giving the ball away - then he would be amazing!