Lamela

[Main Man]

Has he?

What can you really make that judgement on? he has ONE game where he looked poor. In a shitty type of game on a terrible pitch where all and everyone looked below their best

In his other little cameos he has showed flashes of class without looking spectacular (nice assist for the Cardiff winner etc) and really he simply hasn't had the playing time yet to warrant being assessed (especially under his circumstances)

I think you're being very harsh and far too quick to judge

I will be honest, I think you can make judgements on players almost immediately. I have done that for a very long time and my views have very rarely changed over time (this is not due to stubbornness and there are obviously exceptions).

You could see what Capoue was about on his debut for example, Sandro was the same for me despite a shocking debut against Arsenal. Modric and Berba were a cut above despite slow starts. The list of examples is endless.

I have witnessed every minute of Lamela's Spurs career so far and I have not seen anything to suggest he is a 30m player.

I don't think that is being harsh, in fact I think it is a very fair assessment.

Once Lennon is fit, I wouldn't even have him on the bench based on what I have seen so far.

The pitch in Russia was terrible, but his performance was far worse and the others didn't struggle as much as he did.

I was hoping the assist at Cardiff would be the start of something special but that simply hasn't been the case.

Lewis Holtby's form has been far more encouraging - he is also somebody who can point to having a slow start and eventually (it looks like) coming good.

 

[jezz]

I will be honest, I think you can make judgements on players almost immediately. I have done that for a very long time and my views have very rarely changed over time (this is not due to stubbornness and there are obviously exceptions).

You could see what Capoue was about on his debut for example, Sandro was the same for me despite a shocking debut against Arsenal. Modric and Berba were a cut above despite slow starts. The list of examples is endless.

I have witnessed every minute of Lamela's Spurs career so far and I have not seen anything to suggest he is a 30m player.

I don't think that is being harsh, in fact I think it is a very fair assessment.

Once Lennon is fit, I wouldn't even have him on the bench based on what I have seen so far.

The pitch in Russia was terrible, but his performance was far worse and the others didn't struggle as much as he did.

I was hoping the assist at Cardiff would be the start of something special but that simply hasn't been the case.

Lewis Holtby's form has been far more encouraging - he is also somebody who can point to having a slow start and eventually (it looks like) coming good.

Yep i was going to write a very in depth response to your post
But the first line of your post made me laugh so much i wont bother.

 

[E17yid]

He's made mistakes but to me, when I watch him, he looks a special player. There's probably a variety of factors why he isn't smashing it straight away but I can't believe that people don't mention how good his vision is or the fact he got a great touch.

Yes he's played badly in patches but at least he has something about him, well to me he does anyway. Experience will weed out the mistakes, peeps just gotta be patient that's all

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Seeing as Argentina have already qualified for the WC and Messi, Higuain and Gago are all through injury out I think there will be a large chance of Lamela getting a start for at least 1 of the two matches they have coming up. It will most likely be Peru on Friday/Saturday apposed to Uruguay I reckon. Might be worth a watch.

 

[Yid121]

Seeing as Argentina have already qualified for the WC and Messi, Higuain and Gago are all through injury out I think there will be a large chance of Lamela getting a start for at least 1 of the two matches they have coming up. It will most likely be Peru on Saturday apposed to Uruguay I reckon. Might be worth a watch.

I never watch friendly matches involving our players but this may be the first....

If not, could someone post a report of his performance?

 

[CowInAComa]

I will be honest, I think you can make judgements on players almost immediately. I have done that for a very long time and my views have very rarely changed over time (this is not due to stubbornness and there are obviously exceptions).

You could see what Capoue was about on his debut for example, Sandro was the same for me despite a shocking debut against Arsenal. Modric and Berba were a cut above despite slow starts. The list of examples is endless.

I have witnessed every minute of Lamela's Spurs career so far and I have not seen anything to suggest he is a 30m player.

I don't think that is being harsh, in fact I think it is a very fair assessment.

Once Lennon is fit, I wouldn't even have him on the bench based on what I have seen so far.

The pitch in Russia was terrible, but his performance was far worse and the others didn't struggle as much as he did.

I was hoping the assist at Cardiff would be the start of something special but that simply hasn't been the case.

Lewis Holtby's form has been far more encouraging - he is also somebody who can point to having a slow start and eventually (it looks like) coming good.

No. Nothing he has done or shown so far in a Spurs shirt suggests he is worth 30m of our money. That is beyond dispute, and anyone who disagrees with you is lying, he hasnt offered anything of note. Maybe in a Roma shirt he was impressive, but i cant comment.

Still, im running on blind faith that all these people hailing him as the next big thing cant be wrong.lets hope you yourself are so wrong its will be almost comical in hindsight eh.

For whats its worth I sort of can see you point about quick judgments, you can certainly spot an exceptional player from the first few touches.

 

[Shadydan]

If you're gonna make a judgement on him then you ought to have seen him play for Roma, looked every bit the player he has been hyped up to be and his potential looked as if he could go onto do great things.

Obviously he hasn't quite hit the heights in a Spurs shirt but this is totally understandable, the guy looks like a rabbit caught in headlights and hasn't played consistently, contrast this to his performances with Roma and you'll see a totally different player.

You could show a little patience, how long did it take Modric to find his feet?

 

[dontcallme]

No. Nothing he has done or shown so far in a Spurs shirt suggests he is worth 30m of our money. That is beyond dispute, and anyone who disagrees with you is lying, he hasnt offered anything of note. Maybe in a Roma shirt he was impressive, but i cant comment.

Still, im running on blind faith that all these people hailing him as the next big thing cant be wrong.lets hope you yourself are so wrong its will be almost comical in hindsight eh.

For whats its worth I sort of can see you point about quick judgments, you can certainly spot an exceptional player from the first few touches.

For me that's such an odd way to look at things.

If we'd bought Grant Holt and he'd put in a couple of good performances for us would I be getting excited? No, because I've seen him play a lot for a different team and I know he's not particularly good.

Lamela has been lauded as one of the very best young talents in Europe. Are people going to change that opinion based on a couple of sub appearances for a new team in a new league? No one with any intelligence would because they've seen how talented he is.

At worst we can start to worry about him not fitting into our team, struggling with the pace of the Prem, settling into English life etc but his talent as a footballer is hard to question at this moment.

 

[vitamin32]

I will be honest, I think you can make judgements on players almost immediately. I have done that for a very long time and my views have very rarely changed over time (this is not due to stubbornness and there are obviously exceptions).

if you remember a Mr Gareth Bale, he was god damn awful early on..

 

[Shadydan]

Within reason I think you can make judgements on players ability, for example you can tell a good player within the first 5-10 mins of watching them play.

But if you're gonna judge players and label them a flop after a couple of sub par performances which didn't meet your expectations, likewise vice versa then that's an utterly ridiculous way to look at things and totally unfair.

 

[stevenqoz]

Our EPL season is only 630 minutes old. Lamela has barely had a start in his favoured position. I'm hopeful that we will see something soon.......remembering a thought I had when I heard he was coming to WHL....hope he fares better / fits in more than Postiga when he was with us

 

[dontcallme]

Our EPL season is only 630 minutes old. Lamela has barely had a start in his favoured position. I'm hopeful that we will see something soon.......remembering a thought I had when I heard he was coming to WHL....hope he fares better / fits in more than Postiga when he was with us

The thing is, if we bought Postiga today he'd have a much better chance of success.

He'd be surrounded by better players. We wouldn't be completely reliant on him and the manager could integrate him at a pace that is best for the player rather than just throwing him straight into the 1st team.

Some fans would be demanding he plays immediately and every touch has to be magical or he'd be considered a flop but the majority would be happy we'd signed a player of his quality and happy for him to be integrated into the team more slowly.

I think the circumstances of a player's arrival and the way a manager handles it is as important as the player himself in some ways.

 

[ajspurs]

if you remember a Mr Gareth Bale, he was god damn awful early on..

I can't really remember Bale being 'awful' to be honest, he just had that bad record with us.

Lamela desperately needs a few league starts in my opinion.

 

[CowInAComa]

For me that's such an odd way to look at things.

If we'd bought Grant Holt and he'd put in a couple of good performances for us would I be getting excited? No, because I've seen him play a lot for a different team and I know he's not particularly good.

Lamela has been lauded as one of the very best young talents in Europe. Are people going to change that opinion based on a couple of sub appearances for a new team in a new league? No one with any intelligence would because they've seen how talented he is.

At worst we can start to worry about him not fitting into our team, struggling with the pace of the Prem, settling into English life etc but his talent as a footballer is hard to question at this moment.

You can only judge what you see. And what I have seen of him has been distinctly underwhelming, certainly in the context of him being our biggest ever transfer, I have yet to see how talented he is as you put it. Thats what I said. Which is factual.

But I also said that I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt based on weight of second hand opinions of people who have seen him perform. Im not particularly concerned or gnashing my teeth

I dont see why thats odd? Your Grant Holt comparisons dont really work as you are basing it on your first hand knowledge.

 

[CowInAComa]

I can't really remember Bale being 'awful' to be honest, he just had that bad record with us.

Lamela desperately needs a few league starts in my opinion.

I think thats the key, lets get him starting a run of premier league games. We all know we bought him to fill a first team not a squad role, lets bite the bullet.

 

[ajspurs]

I think thats the key, lets get him starting a run of premier league games. We all know we bought him to fill a first team not a squad role, lets bite the bullet.

I agree. I've said before but I don't think just getting the odd 10-15 minutes at the end of league games is greatly benefiting him to be honest.

 

[Spurs1960]

I will be honest, I think you can make judgements on players almost immediately. I have done that for a very long time and my views have very rarely changed over time (this is not due to stubbornness and there are obviously exceptions).

You could see what Capoue was about on his debut for example, Sandro was the same for me despite a shocking debut against Arsenal. Modric and Berba were a cut above despite slow starts. The list of examples is endless.

I have witnessed every minute of Lamela's Spurs career so far and I have not seen anything to suggest he is a 30m player.

I don't think that is being harsh, in fact I think it is a very fair assessment.

Once Lennon is fit, I wouldn't even have him on the bench based on what I have seen so far.

The pitch in Russia was terrible, but his performance was far worse and the others didn't struggle as much as he did.

I was hoping the assist at Cardiff would be the start of something special but that simply hasn't been the case.

Lewis Holtby's form has been far more encouraging - he is also somebody who can point to having a slow start and eventually (it looks like) coming good.

To be fair in certain respects I think you are right. I though Sandro was going to be a brilliant player after I saw his debut in the 4-1 League Cup defeat at WHL to Arsenal, his debut. I saw 20 minutes of Capoue on his debut and thought he was going to be the next Patrick Viera.

I think you can with talented players, scouts do. Darren bent for instance you could see was not international standard when he made his debut out wide for England. Where he played was irrelevant, you had to watch his touch, his awareness, it was obvious it wouldn't be good enough wherever he played.

It becomes more difficult with players who don't start so well. If they have the awareness and touch they can learn, or if in the case of Chiriches he needs to bulk up a bit.

I would disagree with your assessment of Lamela. No he hasn't set the world alight but then he can't communicate with the other players yet, he doesn't speak English. However he has created at least 2 goals in very little time on the pitch. He created the winner against Cardiff as you say and didn't he create another PL goal? He has created goals for Defoe in Europe as well, they were not flashy so they get forgotten but at the moment he is quietly going about his business and it's being missed.

Personally I would say everyone really struggled in Russia on that ploughed field, he wasn't greatly worse than anyone else.

I have no doubt he will excel in the PL, clearly to me in his cameos he has talent, you don't create with so little game time if you don't have something about you. He has been brought on on the left but I think his best position will be on the right. He'll be eased in as plenty of new signings are.

We do have a selection problem with Townsend developing (if he passes and not shoots), Lennon and Lamela after the same position. The important decision maker is who is going to supply Soldado best. Clearly that isn't Townsend which leaves us with Lamela or Lennon.

At the start of the season I thought Townsend would struggle to even make the bench and that might still be the case even though he is developing at a rate.

 

[miles_64]

I think Lamela hasn't been performing because he isn't under the same pressure as he was at River...

TURN ON SUBTITLES (think you need to go through to YouTube to do this)


Promise you - he is referenced in there somewhere!

 

[oohaahedgar]

No. Nothing he has done or shown so far in a Spurs shirt suggests he is worth 30m of our money. That is beyond dispute, and anyone who disagrees with you is lying, he hasnt offered anything of note. Maybe in a Roma shirt he was impressive, but i cant comment.

Still, im running on blind faith that all these people hailing him as the next big thing cant be wrong.lets hope you yourself are so wrong its will be almost comical in hindsight eh.

For whats its worth I sort of can see you point about quick judgments, you can certainly spot an exceptional player from the first few touches.

Yes like Mido, Jose Dominguez, Rohan Ricketts and Adel Tarra... forget his name, he sometimes plays in the championship.

 

[CowInAComa]

Yes like Mido, Jose Dominguez, Rohan Ricketts and Adel Tarra... forget his name, he sometimes plays in the championship.

Sorry im slow.

Whats the point you are making?