Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

[Harrier]

That makes the timing even more weird...

None of Boehly’s decisions so far look like they’ve had much strategising behind them!

 

[GMI]

If Chelsea act like a normal club, they will surely talk to a couple of managers before appointing one ? ... pretty important decision for Boehly.

Normal clubs can spend three months looking for and talking to managers before appointing the wrong one. Thankfully we sorted it out. ?

 

[spursfan77]

That makes the timing even more weird...

Unless Brighton knew they were going to get this weekend’s game postponed yesterday or this morning and they’ve said you can come in for potter now, but it’s your only chance, as we need 10 days to get a replacement in?

The chavs moved to get their man or faced keep Tuchel in the job for longer.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Tuchel is an elite manager and always tactically outclassed us every time we played Chelsea - I'm very happy he's gone.

Big pressure on Potter now.

He had better players at his disposal, which allowed him to outclasss us.

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Unless Brighton knew they were going to get this weekend’s game postponed yesterday or this morning and they’ve said you can come in for potter now, but it’s your only chance, as we need 10 days to get a replacement in?

The chavs moved to get their man or faced keep Tuchel in the job for longer.

Maybe... but if they wanted Potter so much and have thought about sacking Tuchel earlier in the summer, why wait until just after the window closed ? ... surely you would want your new manager to get some of his own players in.

 

[spursfan77]

Maybe... but if they wanted Potter so much and have thought about sacking Tuchel earlier in the summer, why wait until just after the window closed ? ... surely you would want your new manager to get some of his own players in.

Yeah who knows. Spanks of cluelessness to me from the owners. That’s the usual reason so I don’t see why it should be different on this occasion.

 

[tiger666]

It'll be Potter

Graham Potter: Chelsea set to hold talks with Brighton manager about replacing sacked Thomas Tuchel​

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62824405

 

[C0YS]

If you think American fan bases are apathetic and don't punish "poor seasons" you couldn't be more wrong. Go have a poor season in New York or LA and watch what happens.

Chelsea has massive revenue streams to the point that CL qualification doesn't matter in the same way to them that it does to us. Does it hurt them if they don't qualify for the CL? Of course. But it's definitely not the same if we don't.

American sports aren't all the same and they all run differently. Baseball is by far the most similar in the way it works to the way football works in Europe. The Dodgers who are a giant "franchise" were an absolute mess when Boehly took them over in 2012ish with massive revenue streams but no success.

They hadn't won a championship in decades before his ownership group took over. Fast forward a decade later and the Dodgers are one of the best run teams in baseball who won a championship in 2020 for the first time in 30 years and now financially terrorize the sport. Sound familiar?

Or I could point you to FSG and Liverpool. They hadn't won a league title in decades before they took over. What happened? They also turned around the Red Sox who hadn't won a championship in almost a hundred years before they turned them around too.

There are good American owners and bad American owners. Just like there are good and bad owners in every sport of every nationality in every league everywhere on the face of the earth. Saying the owner is immediately bad because he's American and doesn't understand the way the Premier League works is absolutely ridiculous.

Boehly is most definitely a bright guy and a good owner. I really wish he wasn't but those are the facts. The next thing he'll do after he hires Potter is find a really good director of football to run Chelsea just like he did with the Dodgers when he paid a metric shit ton of money to pry Andrew Friedman from the Rays. Then he'll keep the money flowing as the new DOF and Potter reshape the club.

It's all disgusting. I can't stand them. I wish Roman sold them to the Ricketts who are the prototypical bad owners that you seem to think Boehly is.

I don't think our revenue streams are that far off Chelsea's, they have more commercial revenue I'm sure but we will have significantly more match day revenue.

In fact the delloite tables but Chelsea as 8th richest club and us in 10th. With a difference of around 80million euro. Us qualifying for the CL and Chelsea failing to qualify would probably put us ahead of Chelsea.

Chelsea are not a mega rich club, they are more or less like us and Arsenal and even Liverpool are not that far ahead. Man city and Man utd are currently the only two who are far ahead of the others.

Consistent Champions League appearances is extremely important not only is it at least an extra 10% more additional revenue but it helps long term revenue streams that come from the commercial aspect. Man utd used the be the richest club in the world, even when failing to make the CL, but constant underperformance has seen them crumble down the rankings.

FSG is a success, partly they got lucky but they also showed good judgement. But FSG did not start well. They started very badly indeed. There major problem was that they overvalued Data, they bought in Comolli as DoF and proceeded to spend their money on awful players who were no way near the required level.

What FSG did was they learnt that you could not apply the same methods in baseball as in football and they showed patience and they ended up hiring Klopp and essentially gave him close to full power over recruitment and football matters and it worked. But before that it was a total mess, one Rodgers season aside Liverpool were going backwards really.

For what it's worth Liverpool don't financially terrorise the sport. They simply can't, in the same way Chelsea can't, because they are capped by having too small and outdated stadiums and match day income is still a vitally important way to generate revenue.

Now Chelsea's ownership might turn it around, or might be very successful but it doesn't take a genius to see that they've started incredibly questionably. Not just a little bit but bizzarness.

Paying 80m for a defender who basically didn't play last season? Shows an unawareness of how injuries can affect players and also seems out of touch with footballs current financial reality.

Paying 20m and then 12m for youngsters who haven't made it to the senior game shows a lack of understanding in youth player development.

The rumour that they wanted Ronaldo and the managers rejection of this creating tension, showed a lack of understanding of what is required in building a successful team.

Now these are all small parts in what has been a window with a lot of overspending and what this might financially mean for Chelsea in the future is worrying, not to me, but to Chelsea fans.

Precovid the money going around wouldn't have been overthetop but not that exceptional, but in a post COVID world were most clubs are struggling 80m brings you a world leading player, not a promising CB.

Now finally, Tuchel is a world class manager. Basically everyone knows this. If they want him to take additional responsibilities and believe he can't handle it, don't get rid of your coach, hire support. If you really do want to take the club a new direction do it before the season starts not potentially write your entire season off after 6 games! Or ideally, do it after, when you have a bit more experience. But how Chelsea is being run right now seems a little arrogant and ill planned. Maybe it all changes. But I don't see what owners do in baseball as meaning a lot in football.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

If you think American fan bases are apathetic and don't punish "poor seasons" you couldn't be more wrong. Go have a poor season in New York or LA and watch what happens.

Chelsea has massive revenue streams to the point that CL qualification doesn't matter in the same way to them that it does to us. Does it hurt them if they don't qualify for the CL? Of course. But it's definitely not the same if we don't.

American sports aren't all the same and they all run differently. Baseball is by far the most similar in the way it works to the way football works in Europe. The Dodgers who are a giant "franchise" were an absolute mess when Boehly took them over in 2012ish with massive revenue streams but no success.

They hadn't won a championship in decades before his ownership group took over. Fast forward a decade later and the Dodgers are one of the best run teams in baseball who won a championship in 2020 for the first time in 30 years and now financially terrorize the sport. Sound familiar?

Or I could point you to FSG and Liverpool. They hadn't won a league title in decades before they took over. What happened? They also turned around the Red Sox who hadn't won a championship in almost a hundred years before they turned them around too.

There are good American owners and bad American owners. Just like there are good and bad owners in every sport of every nationality in every league everywhere on the face of the earth. Saying the owner is immediately bad because he's American and doesn't understand the way the Premier League works is absolutely ridiculous.

Boehly is most definitely a bright guy and a good owner. I really wish he wasn't but those are the facts. The next thing he'll do after he hires Potter is find a really good director of football to run Chelsea just like he did with the Dodgers when he paid a metric shit ton of money to pry Andrew Friedman from the Rays. Then he'll keep the money flowing as the new DOF and Potter reshape the club.

It's all disgusting. I can't stand them. I wish Roman sold them to the Ricketts who are the prototypical bad owners that you seem to think Boehly is.

Shouldn't that be a metric shit tonne, as opposed to an imperial shit ton?

 

[Deleted member 27855]

I don't think our revenue streams are that far off Chelsea's, they have more commercial revenue I'm sure but we will have significantly more match day revenue.

In fact the delloite tables but Chelsea as 8th richest club and us in 10th. With a difference of around 80million euro. Us qualifying for the CL and Chelsea failing to qualify would probably put us ahead of Chelsea.

Chelsea are not a mega rich club, they are more or less like us and Arsenal and even Liverpool are not that far ahead. Man city and Man utd are currently the only two who are far ahead of the others.

Consistent Champions League appearances is extremely important not only is it at least an extra 10% more additional revenue but it helps long term revenue streams that come from the commercial aspect. Man utd used the be the richest club in the world, even when failing to make the CL, but constant underperformance has seen them crumble down the rankings.

FSG is a success, partly they got lucky but they also showed good judgement. But FSG did not start well. They started very badly indeed. There major problem was that they overvalued Data, they bought in Comolli as DoF and proceeded to spend their money on awful players who were no way near the required level.

What FSG did was they learnt that you could not apply the same methods in baseball as in football and they showed patience and they ended up hiring Klopp and essentially gave him close to full power over recruitment and football matters and it worked. But before that it was a total mess, one Rodgers season aside Liverpool were going backwards really.

For what it's worth Liverpool don't financially terrorise the sport. They simply can't, in the same way Chelsea can't, because they are capped by having too small and outdated stadiums and match day income is still a vitally important way to generate revenue.

Now Chelsea's ownership might turn it around, or might be very successful but it doesn't take a genius to see that they've started incredibly questionably. Not just a little bit but bizzarness.

Paying 80m for a defender who basically didn't play last season? Shows an unawareness of how injuries can affect players and also seems out of touch with footballs current financial reality.

Paying 20m and then 12m for youngsters who haven't made it to the senior game shows a lack of understanding in youth player development.

The rumour that they wanted Ronaldo and the managers rejection of this creating tension, showed a lack of understanding of what is required in building a successful team.

Now these are all small parts in what has been a window with a lot of overspending and what this might financially mean for Chelsea in the future is worrying, not to me, but to Chelsea fans.

Precovid the money going around wouldn't have been overthetop but not that exceptional, but in a post COVID world were most clubs are struggling 80m brings you a world leading player, not a promising CB.

Now finally, Tuchel is a world class manager. Basically everyone knows this. If they want him to take additional responsibilities and believe he can't handle it, don't get rid of your coach, hire support. If you really do want to take the club a new direction do it before the season starts not potentially write your entire season off after 6 games! Or ideally, do it after, when you have a bit more experience. But how Chelsea is being run right now seems a little arrogant and ill planned. Maybe it all changes. But I don't see what owners do in baseball as meaning a lot in football.

Liverpool can financially terrorize all but the biggest clubs. It's not like Fulham can make 70m pound transfers at the drop of a hat.

They also still use football analytics in almost the exact same way baseball does. They credit it with their turn around of the club. You could just Google it you know. There are a million articles on the topic.

 

[nailsy]

Unless Brighton knew they were going to get this weekend’s game postponed yesterday or this morning and they’ve said you can come in for potter now, but it’s your only chance, as we need 10 days to get a replacement in?

The chavs moved to get their man or faced keep Tuchel in the job for longer.

Apparently Potters got a release clause so Chelsea can take him whenever they want if they pay it.

 

[mark87]

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Unless Brighton knew they were going to get this weekend’s game postponed yesterday or this morning and they’ve said you can come in for potter now, but it’s your only chance, as we need 10 days to get a replacement in?

The chavs moved to get their man or faced keep Tuchel in the job for longer.

Its next weekend's game (September 17) that has been postponed, right?

 

[Trent Crimm]

TT’s face when he saw his exit package …..

 

[Harrier]

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That doesn’t surprise me! Typical American business ‘executives’!

From my personal experience working for a large American corporation, all I can say is never again! I’ve never worked anywhere where the slightest brain fart their end, and they absolutely pepper you with emails, expecting an immediate response! And if I ever hear that bloody expression again, ‘reach out to your colleague….’ Grrrrrrrr!

And breathe!! ??

 

[Rodrigonodefendi]

Bob Bradley has experience both as a DOF and coach… He wouldn’t be succesful but hey I’m not intrested in Chelsea beeing succesful…

 

[JayB]

I don't think our revenue streams are that far off Chelsea's, they have more commercial revenue I'm sure but we will have significantly more match day revenue.

In fact the delloite tables but Chelsea as 8th richest club and us in 10th. With a difference of around 80million euro. Us qualifying for the CL and Chelsea failing to qualify would probably put us ahead of Chelsea.

Chelsea are not a mega rich club, they are more or less like us and Arsenal and even Liverpool are not that far ahead. Man city and Man utd are currently the only two who are far ahead of the others.

Consistent Champions League appearances is extremely important not only is it at least an extra 10% more additional revenue but it helps long term revenue streams that come from the commercial aspect. Man utd used the be the richest club in the world, even when failing to make the CL, but constant underperformance has seen them crumble down the rankings.

FSG is a success, partly they got lucky but they also showed good judgement. But FSG did not start well. They started very badly indeed. There major problem was that they overvalued Data, they bought in Comolli as DoF and proceeded to spend their money on awful players who were no way near the required level.

What FSG did was they learnt that you could not apply the same methods in baseball as in football and they showed patience and they ended up hiring Klopp and essentially gave him close to full power over recruitment and football matters and it worked. But before that it was a total mess, one Rodgers season aside Liverpool were going backwards really.

For what it's worth Liverpool don't financially terrorise the sport. They simply can't, in the same way Chelsea can't, because they are capped by having too small and outdated stadiums and match day income is still a vitally important way to generate revenue.

Now Chelsea's ownership might turn it around, or might be very successful but it doesn't take a genius to see that they've started incredibly questionably. Not just a little bit but bizzarness.

Paying 80m for a defender who basically didn't play last season? Shows an unawareness of how injuries can affect players and also seems out of touch with footballs current financial reality.

Paying 20m and then 12m for youngsters who haven't made it to the senior game shows a lack of understanding in youth player development.

The rumour that they wanted Ronaldo and the managers rejection of this creating tension, showed a lack of understanding of what is required in building a successful team.

Now these are all small parts in what has been a window with a lot of overspending and what this might financially mean for Chelsea in the future is worrying, not to me, but to Chelsea fans.

Precovid the money going around wouldn't have been overthetop but not that exceptional, but in a post COVID world were most clubs are struggling 80m brings you a world leading player, not a promising CB.

Now finally, Tuchel is a world class manager. Basically everyone knows this. If they want him to take additional responsibilities and believe he can't handle it, don't get rid of your coach, hire support. If you really do want to take the club a new direction do it before the season starts not potentially write your entire season off after 6 games! Or ideally, do it after, when you have a bit more experience. But how Chelsea is being run right now seems a little arrogant and ill planned. Maybe it all changes. But I don't see what owners do in baseball as meaning a lot in football.

I’m sure Boehle would agree that he doesn’t understand football recruitment and isn’t suited to the task in the long term. He assumed those duties this summer because Cech left the club, but it was always with the recognition that a proper DOF needed to come in. This summer’s business is not necessarily indicative of how the club will operate moving forward.

Tuchel was sacked because he’s a prick of the highest order who fell out with everyone at the club, just as has happened at every club he’s ever managed. Boehle wants an integrated setup where the ownership, DOF, and manager are all singing from the same song sheet and working patiently toward a long-term vision — something approximating what we currently have in place with Levy, Paratici, and Conte.

Boehle made the judgment that Tuchel had demonstrated that he wouldn’t work in such a setup, and given what a monumental asshole Tuchel is, Boehle is probably right.

It also isn’t even remotely true that Liverpool gave up analytics as a basis of their recruitment — in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

I’m afraid @ravenspurs is bang on in his assessment of the Dodgers, who are certainly among the most well-run organizations in all of American sports. Boehle is a highly sophisticated owner with extremely deep pockets, who is now putting a long-term vision in place.

It’s a marked departure from Abramovich’s approach to ownership, but one which has been extraordinarily successful for Boehle in the baseball context. I hate to say it, but I think the hopes that Chelsea will be a poorly-run clown show are wishful thinking.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

 

[GutBucket]

More chance he becomes our coach some day if he goes there, so good news I guess.

 

[C0YS]

I’m sure Boehle would agree that he doesn’t understand football recruitment and isn’t suited to the task in the long term. He assumed those duties this summer because Cech left the club, but it was always with the recognition that a proper DOF needed to come in. This summer’s business is not necessarily indicative of how the club will operate moving forward.

Tuchel was sacked because he’s a prick of the highest order who fell out with everyone at the club, just as has happened at every club he’s ever managed. Boehle wants an integrated setup where the ownership, DOF, and manager are all singing from the same song sheet and working patiently toward a long-term vision — something approximating what we currently have in place with Levy, Paratici, and Conte.

Boehle made the judgment that Tuchel had demonstrated that he wouldn’t work in such a setup, and given what a monumental asshole Tuchel is, Boehle is probably right.

It also isn’t even remotely true that Liverpool gave up analytics as a basis of their recruitment — in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

I’m afraid @ravenspurs is bang on in his assessment of the Dodgers, who are certainly among the most well-run organizations in all of American sports. Boehle is a highly sophisticated owner with extremely deep pockets, who is now putting a long-term vision in place.

It’s a marked departure from Abramovich’s approach to ownership, but one which has been extraordinarily successful for Boehle in the baseball context. I hate to say it, but I think the hopes that Chelsea will be a poorly-run clown show are wishful thinking.

They didn't give up analytics they did reject the senseless statistical method that makes you buy Stewart downing and think Zokora is better than Carrick. There is using data and then there is Damian Comolli two separate things.

Let's see how it goes but it seems a mess right now. Being good at am aging baseball teams doesn't give a particular indication of success either way. How you adapt is key. Right now though it appears a total shambles and they are being run in a way I don't think we've seen be run before.