Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Chelsea thread

[brasil_spur]

They need to find over £100mil in a two week period in a market where no one has any money. That 100mil of course needs to be profit selling the likes of Fernandes doesn't help one bit.

But that depends on sales.

I predict they will make the necessary transactions by June 30.

If not, then, they know what to expect next season. And, Chelsea fans may disagree, but it would not be the worst thing for them to take a point deduction next season - which would take a lot of pressure off, and give them a year to consolidate the team.

They will get a lot more for Palmer, he is having one amazing season. He will go for at least double what we paid for Brennan Johnson, even if he wasn't HG and he surely is, plus club trained for City. Rice went for 105m after having a super shitty season, Palmer is younger and one of the best players in the league this year. Main reason why they are in Cup final too. The only problem could be timing, maybe they get few points deducted until they manage to sell few players. But Palmer and Colwill won't take long I bet.

Unless they get injured, then they fucked.

Jumping in on this because it's clear that A) some people still don't get that it's £100m PROFIT not player sales that they need to generate within 2 weeks of the next transfer window opening and B) because some people are forgetting that most other clubs are also struggling to meet FFP regulations and so certainly won't be doing deals that also hit their books this financial year.

No-one was spending in Jan and the same will be true until next FY, at which point any sales that Chelsea make will be too late.

Now let's look at the possible worth of some of their players:

1. Gallagher - 100% of whatever his sale price is, but with 1 year on his contract I can't see anyone paying more than £40m for him unless between now and June he turns into one of the best midfielders in the league.

2. Fernandez - currently only revenue above €98m for him will count as profit. There's no-one paying anything close to that for him, so at the moment they're effectively in negative equity with him.

3. Palmer - revenue above €40m will count as profit. Best case they can get is around €70m IMO and there's only two teams that would be able to pay that before end of June - us and Liverpool. Best case scenario they could make £25m here IMO.

4. Lukaku - currently only revenue above €45m for him will count as profit. I don't think he's worth more than that and no-one in the prem, where the most money is, is going to pay that for him. Probably break even at best or more likely in negative equity.

5. Colwill - probably their best best of raising funds given that his contract is until 2029 with a year option on it. Probably worth around £50m this summer.

6. Broja - another one who they make profit on, probably be able to get around £30m from someone.

Let's say that they can get another £10-15m from other player sales that aren't main players for them. That leaves them with around £80m of profit to make from the above list.

Personally I think it means that they will HAVE to sell Broja and one of either Colwill or Gallagher.

 

[GutBucket]

Remember that this is a summer with Euros, and that traditionally makes the transfer market slow until end of July/early August. Chelsea needs money before that.

Yeah before that won't be that easy, maybe Maatsen with his release clause or Lukaku who also has one. Not sure when does Lewis Hall's obligation to buy come to play.
Edit: If it's about profit then Lukaku doesn't help.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Jumping in on this because it's clear that A) some people still don't get that it's £100m PROFIT not player sales that they need to generate

I could have saved you the whole effort of jumping in.

Almost everyone realizes its profits, and that to get there, it almost certainly has to involve HG players since those are all profits.

HTH

 

[newbie]

I see on Sky they are talking about the EPL going down the route of clubs only being allowed to spend 80% of their turnover now.
Well that’s not going to help Chelsea is it, in fact that’d put them about £500m down going on their last figures!

there wage bill was 440 million last year

 

[bubble07]

We should offer 40m for Gallagher and Colwill

 

[newbie]

Jumping in on this because it's clear that A) some people still don't get that it's £100m PROFIT not player sales that they need to generate within 2 weeks of the next transfer window opening and B) because some people are forgetting that most other clubs are also struggling to meet FFP regulations and so certainly won't be doing deals that also hit their books this financial year.

No-one was spending in Jan and the same will be true until next FY, at which point any sales that Chelsea make will be too late.

Now let's look at the possible worth of some of their players:

1. Gallagher - 100% of whatever his sale price is, but with 1 year on his contract I can't see anyone paying more than £40m for him unless between now and June he turns into one of the best midfielders in the league.

2. Fernandez - currently only revenue above €98m for him will count as profit. There's no-one paying anything close to that for him, so at the moment they're effectively in negative equity with him.

3. Palmer - revenue above €40m will count as profit. Best case they can get is around €70m IMO and there's only two teams that would be able to pay that before end of June - us and Liverpool. Best case scenario they could make £25m here IMO.

4. Lukaku - currently only revenue above €45m for him will count as profit. I don't think he's worth more than that and no-one in the prem, where the most money is, is going to pay that for him. Probably break even at best or more likely in negative equity.

5. Colwill - probably their best best of raising funds given that his contract is until 2029 with a year option on it. Probably worth around £50m this summer.

6. Broja - another one who they make profit on, probably be able to get around £30m from someone.

Let's say that they can get another £10-15m from other player sales that aren't main players for them. That leaves them with around £80m of profit to make from the above list.

Personally I think it means that they will HAVE to sell Broja and one of either Colwill or Gallagher.

I was going to say the full back at dortmund but his contract could be up.

 

[brasil_spur]

I could have saved you the whole effort of jumping in.

Almost everyone realizes its profits, and that to get there, it almost certainly has to involve HG players since those are all profits.

HTH

Some of the more regular posters sure, but I don't have to go back far (like one post before yours - although the poster has now edited this) to find people that are still conflating these two points.

It's also worth raising that I might be under playing the amount of value on the books of some of those players because i'm not sure if they accounting for player depreciation is done annually or not, because if it is then by the end of this financial year means that anyone who was signed last summer still has their full purchase value showing on the books and so on for each year going back from there.

The point I was trying to make is that if Chelsea are trying to get within FFP then they are pretty fucked and there are literally only a small handful of clubs that can afford to buy the few profit making players that they have within this FY and for the types of money that Chelsea would need to get them out of this hole.

Basically anyone other than Broja, Gallagher Colwill and Palmer nets them very little, if any, profit.

 

[GutBucket]

Some of the more regular posters sure, but I don't have to go back far (like one post before yours - although the poster has now edited this) to find people that are still conflating these two points.

It's also worth raising that I might be under playing the amount of value on the books of some of those players because i'm not sure if they accounting for player depreciation is done annually or not, because if it is then by the end of this financial year means that anyone who was signed last summer still has their full purchase value showing on the books and so on for each year going back from there.

The point I was trying to make is that if Chelsea are trying to get within FFP then they are pretty fucked and there are literally only a small handful of clubs that can afford to buy the few profit making players that they have within this FY and for the types of money that Chelsea would need to get them out of this hole.

Basically anyone other than Broja, Gallagher Colwill and Palmer nets them very little, if any, profit.

Maatsen has 35m release clause (not just for Borrusia Dortmund but anyone) and Lewis Hall has obligation to buy clause for 28m+7m in addons (addons useless in this case).

 

[brasil_spur]

I was going to say the full back at dortmund but his contract could be up.

He has a couple of years left on his Chelsea contract, but he's not likely to be worth more than around £15-20m at the very most.

 

[Spriggan]

Now google how much United paid for Pogba or Chelsea for Lukaku (last time). You think they will sell Palmer for 40m , we spent more on Brennan Johnson. Liverpool spent that on Benteke 10 years ago. Liverpool will absoulutely need a player like Palmer.

Chelsea would need a lot more money to offload now if Arsenal and Utd didn't majorly help them out. Around 200m in 2 weeks?

From what @Trix has mentioned earlier in the thread, yes, potentially around $200m by the June 30th FFP deadline.

 

[Johnny J]

I've had 'good text' from Chelsea owners - Pochettino

Chelsea manager Mauricio Pochettino says he has received a "good text" from the club's owners following back-to-back Premier League losses.

www.bbc.co.uk

"I've had good texts from the owners."

"What texts?"

"Good. Texts."

*cuts to warehouse*

 

[nailsy]

Jumping in on this because it's clear that A) some people still don't get that it's £100m PROFIT not player sales that they need to generate within 2 weeks of the next transfer window opening and B) because some people are forgetting that most other clubs are also struggling to meet FFP regulations and so certainly won't be doing deals that also hit their books this financial year.

No-one was spending in Jan and the same will be true until next FY, at which point any sales that Chelsea make will be too late.

Now let's look at the possible worth of some of their players:

1. Gallagher - 100% of whatever his sale price is, but with 1 year on his contract I can't see anyone paying more than £40m for him unless between now and June he turns into one of the best midfielders in the league.

2. Fernandez - currently only revenue above €98m for him will count as profit. There's no-one paying anything close to that for him, so at the moment they're effectively in negative equity with him.

3. Palmer - revenue above €40m will count as profit. Best case they can get is around €70m IMO and there's only two teams that would be able to pay that before end of June - us and Liverpool. Best case scenario they could make £25m here IMO.

4. Lukaku - currently only revenue above €45m for him will count as profit. I don't think he's worth more than that and no-one in the prem, where the most money is, is going to pay that for him. Probably break even at best or more likely in negative equity.

5. Colwill - probably their best best of raising funds given that his contract is until 2029 with a year option on it. Probably worth around £50m this summer.

6. Broja - another one who they make profit on, probably be able to get around £30m from someone.

Let's say that they can get another £10-15m from other player sales that aren't main players for them. That leaves them with around £80m of profit to make from the above list.

Personally I think it means that they will HAVE to sell Broja and one of either Colwill or Gallagher.

Reece James and Chalobah as well. Kepa could bring in a decent profit if sold now as he's been there so long.

They could possibly make the amount they need this year, but it would surely just delay it by a year as they're running out of club trained players to sell.

 

[newbie]

He has a couple of years left on his Chelsea contract, but he's not likely to be worth more than around £15-20m at the very most.

he looks good though

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Players Chelsea could sell, and see a decent profit:

Kepa
Broja
Gallagher
Maatsen
Hall
Colwill
James

A few others could bring in less relief - but Chelsea might also just have a strategy of damage limitation - i.e. get the penalty down to a manageable point deduction and just move on.

I also would expect them to get creative in these deals - allowing clubs to backload the cost well into the future - paying a small fee up front, and most in 4-5 years. From an accounting perspective, the entire sale would count now, but clubs won't have to put up the cash until later.

 

[UncleBuck]

there wage bill was 440 million last year

Blimey, that’s pretty much their whole turnover from last season going just on salaries!
They are properly knackered, thanks for coming over Todd, didn’t realise you hated them that much!

 

[newbie]

Blimey, that’s pretty much their whole turnover from last season going just on salaries!
They are properly knackered, thanks for coming over Todd, didn’t realise you hated them that much!

they had to pay off TT and Potter

 

[KirstyG]

Jumping in on this because it's clear that A) some people still don't get that it's £100m PROFIT not player sales that they need to generate within 2 weeks of the next transfer window opening and B) because some people are forgetting that most other clubs are also struggling to meet FFP regulations and so certainly won't be doing deals that also hit their books this financial year.

No-one was spending in Jan and the same will be true until next FY, at which point any sales that Chelsea make will be too late.

Now let's look at the possible worth of some of their players:

1. Gallagher - 100% of whatever his sale price is, but with 1 year on his contract I can't see anyone paying more than £40m for him unless between now and June he turns into one of the best midfielders in the league.

2. Fernandez - currently only revenue above €98m for him will count as profit. There's no-one paying anything close to that for him, so at the moment they're effectively in negative equity with him.

3. Palmer - revenue above €40m will count as profit. Best case they can get is around €70m IMO and there's only two teams that would be able to pay that before end of June - us and Liverpool. Best case scenario they could make £25m here IMO.

4. Lukaku - currently only revenue above €45m for him will count as profit. I don't think he's worth more than that and no-one in the prem, where the most money is, is going to pay that for him. Probably break even at best or more likely in negative equity.

5. Colwill - probably their best best of raising funds given that his contract is until 2029 with a year option on it. Probably worth around £50m this summer.

6. Broja - another one who they make profit on, probably be able to get around £30m from someone.

Let's say that they can get another £10-15m from other player sales that aren't main players for them. That leaves them with around £80m of profit to make from the above list.

Personally I think it means that they will HAVE to sell Broja and one of either Colwill or Gallagher.

Tbh I think they’ll do it. Or they sell Colwill and Gallagher and then they pretty much there no?

 

[danny32]

If they need to sell their HG players to meet PSR how are they going to make a squad of 25 if you need 8 HG players.
They really are in the S**t.

 

[Trix]

Players Chelsea could sell, and see a decent profit:

Kepa
Broja
Gallagher
Maatsen
Hall
Colwill
James

A few others could bring in less relief - but Chelsea might also just have a strategy of damage limitation - i.e. get the penalty down to a manageable point deduction and just move on.

I also would expect them to get creative in these deals - allowing clubs to backload the cost well into the future - paying a small fee up front, and most in 4-5 years. From an accounting perspective, the entire sale would count now, but clubs won't have to put up the cash until later.

Thing is their squad has huge holes already and the wages are too high. Selling all their HG won't help them one bit in the medium to long term. I think they gambled everything on making CL and they are well well short. Silva is 40 ffs.

 

[only1waddle]

Tbh I think they’ll do it. Or they sell Colwill and Gallagher and then they pretty much there no?

Point is, they only have a two week window to do it in and a limited number of clubs to do it with, as other clubs will want to delay purchases until after the 30th for the new FFP term.
An unspoken PL amnesty of buying from them would be a thing of beauty.