Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Liverpool thread

[EireYid]

There's more talk on here about a replay than anywhere else I've seen, it ain't happening

 

[SpainSpur85]

If there's a reply surely it'll be once Gakpo is fit again?

But its not about a replay, its about Liverpool not getting every decision their way. I doubt a ref will want to do anything that riles up their fans/ manager/ media presence for a while.

 

[WiganSpur]

The replay and points award discussion is insane but there definitely needs to be more than an apology this time. Clubs need to be given a clear plan to address referee underperformance going forward. And the Premier League need to explore all options including telling PGMOL to do one and attract the best foreign referees to do the job. We have the best players, why not the best referees?

 

[spursfan77]

Monday night football just starting… any idea what the talking point might be?

Missed it. Anything new or not ridiculous?

 

[WiganSpur]

Surely Spurs would need to sanction a replay, so with that in mind I put the likelihood of that happening at zero percent. No benefit to us at all doing that, and they wouldn’t accept doing that if the shoe was on the other foot

Yeah. I'm sure Spurs would release a statement about that setting a bad precedent too if they were pressured into doing so. Because it sets an awful precedent. Where do you draw the line on what constitutes a scandalous decision? What about if Spurs were 4-0 up with 10 minutes to go and that Diaz goal happens?

 

[dontcallme]

Can't believe we're even discussing this.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

The replay and points award discussion is insane but there definitely needs to be more than an apology this time. Clubs need to be given a clear plan to address referee underperformance going forward. And the Premier League need to explore all options including telling PGMOL to do one and attract the best foreign referees to do the job. We have the best players, why not the best referees?

Why is this any different than the hundreds of time before where officials have gotten it wrong? The officials got it wrong. The laws did not/do not allow for anything more than an apology - and acknowledgment that it was wrong.

It happens. Nobody wants it to happen. There are definite lessons to be learned here - and changes to be made to the laws to allow the officials to correct this errors in real-time. And, even that is opening a can of worms... when can a bad call be overturned? What calls can be overturned? How long after a re-start? etc.

But, that it. No replays. No points. No make-up calls. Its life. Sometimes the calls go against you. You don't lie down and start kicking and screaming - you pick yourself up and move forward.

 

[Wig]

Can't believe we're even discussing this.

Agree. The game is finished, we've got 3 points and now look forward to our next game. Let them cry as much as they want to, but it's nothing to do with us.

 

[WiganSpur]

Why is this any different than the hundreds of time before where officials have gotten it wrong? The officials got it wrong. The laws did not/do not allow for anything more than an apology - and acknowledgment that it was wrong.

It happens. Nobody wants it to happen. There are definite lessons to be learned here - and changes to be made to the laws to allow the officials to correct this errors in real-time. And, even that is opening a can of worms... when can a bad call be overturned? What calls can be overturned? How long after a re-start? etc.

But, that it. No replays. No points. No make-up calls. Its life. Sometimes the calls go against you. You don't lie down and start kicking and screaming - you pick yourself up and move forward.

Of course it happens and can happen. But it's happening far more than it should. Massive reform is needed to address referee underperformance. Would you be saying the same thing if Spurs had been done over like that at Anfield?

 

[UncleBuck]

Haha they are actually appealing the Curtis Jones red card! No way are they going to win. It was a leg breaker all day long. Intentional or not!

I’d love to agree with you but I’ve got a feeling that with all the shouting them poor little dippers have been doing they’ll get it rescinded, they’ll probably try and get Jota’s first card wiped out as well.
The PL will no doubt think that they have to ‘give them something’ back as they can’t let them have a replay…

 

[Pochemon94]

Can't wait for the prem to issue a statement saying that they will allow a rematch as long as spurs sign off on it, to essentially make it our problem lol

 

[Oscar22]

Missed it. Anything new or not ridiculous?

They’re on to it now, Carragher and Lampard have actually both said they can see it being a red card whilst having sympathy for Jones. No arguments really.

Though Carragher is now saying it’s wrong that the first thing the ref saw was the still image of the tackle.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Of course it happens and can happen. But it's happening far more than it should. Massive reform is needed to address referee underperformance. Would you be saying the same thing if Spurs had been done over like that at Anfield?

Yes. I would be angry - but, also understand that these are human errors that are not ever going away.

It has been this way forever.


The only real change that should come out of this is that the laws should be adjusted - this week even - to allow a match official to address this at the time.

I certainly would not have felt "aggrieved" if, after the restart, the match official blew his whistle, came and spoke to the managers, and explained the situation, awarded the goal, and subsequent kick-off to Spurs.

In the overall scheme of things - this was really a minor error, that had oversized implications. Miscommunication between VAR and the match official.

I am sure going forward, that the communication from VAR will include their conclusion - i.e. instead of "check complete" it will be "valid goal, no off-side". Thats it. Nothing earth shattering. Nothing that requires people to prostrate themselves in front of Klopp or Liverpool players/supporters. Just an acknowledgment of the error, and a simple way of correcting it.

 

[Pochemon94]

Yes. I would be angry - but, also understand that these are human errors that are not ever going away.

It has been this way forever.


The only real change that should come out of this is that the laws should be adjusted - this week even - to allow a match official to address this at the time.

I certainly would not have felt "aggrieved" if, after the restart, the match official blew his whistle, came and spoke to the managers, and explained the situation, awarded the goal, and subsequent kick-off to Spurs.

In the overall scheme of things - this was really a minor error, that had oversized implications. Miscommunication between VAR and the match official.

I am sure going forward, that the communication from VAR will include their conclusion - i.e. instead of "check complete" it will be "valid goal, no off-side". Thats it. Nothing earth shattering. Nothing that requires people to prostrate themselves in front of Klopp or Liverpool players/supporters. Just an acknowledgment of the error, and a simple way of correcting it.

Honestly, hear me out, I wouldn't even be mad at scrapping VAR but Managers get 2 challenges a game (like NFL) where if they don't agree with the call on the field it then goes to VAR, could be used for offside/penalties. Actually the more I write this the more absolutely insanely stupid this sounds hahahahaha

 

[Tucker]

Honestly, hear me out, I wouldn't even be mad at scrapping VAR but Managers get 2 challenges a game (like NFL) where if they don't agree with the call on the field it then goes to VAR, could be used for offside/penalties. Actually the more I write this the more absolutely insanely stupid this sounds hahahahaha

Football is too fast paced for that kind of thing to work.

 

[Guernman]

Liverpool are undermining the integrity of the game with their statement and insinuation that this was anything more than human error. It’s pretty pathetic actually, coming at the club level, especially after Klopp was very measured and sensible in his initial response. To start fanning the conspiracy flames is just ridiculous

the notion of a replay is completely absurd and is never going to happen, equally any points manipulation. This wasn’t a last minute winner that was erroneously chalked off, we had an hour to play against 10 men

this sort of offside call happened all the time before VAR, every team has had countless goals chalked off because of incorrect linesman calls on the pitch, which is what this was. The fact that VAR failed to correct the call due to this stupid human error is of course ridiculous and we would naturally be fuming if it happened to us

but I’d like to think that as a club we wouldn’t be crying out for a replay, making veiled entitled and ridiculous threats or inciting absurd conspiracy theories, instead we would be pressuring for sensible change

clear protocols to ensure these miscommunications can’t happen, use of the automated offside system which worked fine at the World Cup and a change of the rule that prevents refs correcting this sort of mistake after the game has restarted

 

[WiganSpur]

Yes. I would be angry - but, also understand that these are human errors that are not ever going away.

It has been this way forever.


The only real change that should come out of this is that the laws should be adjusted - this week even - to allow a match official to address this at the time.

I certainly would not have felt "aggrieved" if, after the restart, the match official blew his whistle, came and spoke to the managers, and explained the situation, awarded the goal, and subsequent kick-off to Spurs.

In the overall scheme of things - this was really a minor error, that had oversized implications. Miscommunication between VAR and the match official.

I am sure going forward, that the communication from VAR will include their conclusion - i.e. instead of "check complete" it will be "valid goal, no off-side". Thats it. Nothing earth shattering. Nothing that requires people to prostrate themselves in front of Klopp or Liverpool players/supporters. Just an acknowledgment of the error, and a simple way of correcting it.

But it's not just the problems that we saw on Saturday. It's just awful semi-subjective decisions being made from VAR, intervening when it shouldn't and vice versa. That's to do with personnel and not necessarily the technology. We can't just lump it all under "well it happens" and "it all balances out". If we continue to protect the referees in this way then their performance will only get worse knowing there's no accountability and that they can get away with it and be back on the pitch at the same level within a couple of weeks. A robust monitoring of referee performance needs to happen, and incentives and rewards in alignment of that. Introduce a competitive environment for the referees, rank and review them over the course of a season. Those who consistently perform the best officiate in the PL and pick up higher match fees, irrespective of age or experience.

 

[dvdhopeful]

They’re on to it now, Carragher and Lampard have actually both said they can see it being a red card whilst having sympathy for Jones. No arguments really.

Though Carragher is now saying it’s wrong that the first thing the ref saw was the still image of the tackle.

I'm sick of the 'still image' argument, I didn't have a still image and knew immediately it was a red.

 

[Oscar22]

I'm sick of the 'still image' argument, I didn't have a still image and knew immediately it was a red.

Yeah Carragher just said he feels it’s leading, and he’s also said that we need to stop thinking refs are sent to the monitor for “a second look” when really they’re sent there as a “you have it wrong”.

Surprisingly, I think both Carragher and Lampard have been very fair in their comments. Don’t 100% agree with all of it, but they have been fair at least.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

But it's not just the problems that we saw on Saturday. It's just awful semi-subjective decisions being made from VAR, intervening when it shouldn't and vice versa. That's to do with personnel and not necessarily the technology. We can't just lump it all under "well it happens" and "it all balances out". If we continue to protect the referees in this way then their performance will only get worse knowing there's no accountability and that they can get away with it and be back on the pitch at the same level within a couple of weeks. A robust monitoring of referee performance needs to happen, and incentives and rewards in alignment of that. Introduce a competitive environment for the referees, rank and review them over the course of a season. Those who consistently perform the best officiate in the PL and pick up higher match fees, irrespective of age or experience.

A couple of thoughts - first - match officials are graded, and judged on their performances. Its just not public, nor does it need to be.

Second, so many decisions in football are subjective - and that will always be the case. So, one official might view a minor shove, and call a penalty. Another might view the same incident and decide it was not enough contact to award a pen. Its not a situation where one is definitely correct, and one is definitely wrong.

I believe officials are doing their best to call the game correctly - given the constraints they work under. There is no such thing as the "perfect" official.

I think they can continue to work with the technology to help - but, we should never be expecting "perfection" from officials, because it does not exist.