Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Liverpool thread

[Mark_147]

I'm sick of the 'still image' argument, I didn't have a still image and knew immediately it was a red.

Dermot Gallagher said on ref watch that the rules say they have to see the still image to see the point of contact, but as usual pundits want to make up their own rules.

 

[barry]

 

[Oscar22]

Dermot Gallagher said on ref watch that the rules say they have to see the still image to see the point of contact, but as usual pundits want to make up their own rules.

In fairness to Carragher (which I’m not a fan of being) his problem with it was it starting with the still image. His point was the ref should view it start to finish, at normal speed, and then slow mo, and then make a decision.

Not go over and see the still image showing the worst bit first.

It’s odd tbh, every time I see the Jones tackle the more and more obvious it is that it’s just a red card, but I do see what Carragher is saying.

 

[Gb160]

The problem even with the more modern pundits, is that they retired 8/10/12 years ago.
The games moved on...these challenges, even if unintentional, are dangerous and can end players careers.

Liverpool’s appeal is that they don’t believe Jones used excessive force, absolutely ludicrous defence. If there was any more force Bissoumas leg would likely snap. It fucking angers me that they’ve got the fucking gall to apppeal.

 

[WiganSpur]

A couple of thoughts - first - match officials are graded, and judged on their performances. Its just not public, nor does it need to be.

Second, so many decisions in football are subjective - and that will always be the case. So, one official might view a minor shove, and call a penalty. Another might view the same incident and decide it was not enough contact to award a pen. Its not a situation where one is definitely correct, and one is definitely wrong.

I believe officials are doing their best to call the game correctly - given the constraints they work under. There is no such thing as the "perfect" official.

I think they can continue to work with the technology to help - but, we should never be expecting "perfection" from officials, because it does not exist.

Again, i'm not demanding that they are perfect. I demand that the profession is treated more seriously than I believe it currently is. Look at the Mike Dean interview re the Romero incident at Chelsea. It was him who actually had to say I don't want to do this anymore! If he hadn't done that, at best he'd have been taken off VAR for a couple of weeks and then got invited back. Another one is Clattenburg's comments on our infamous game v Chelsea in 2016.

I'm also not in any way suggesting those ratings need to be made public - they don't need to be. Simply put, if you're a referee in the Conference and you rank the best in your division over the course of the month, you replace the worst performing ref in the league above and subsequently earn a better match fee. A consistent performer then quickly gets Premier League gigs. Age or experience do not need to come into it at all - simply ability. All it requires is a robust rating procedure which seems easily possible. After that is introduced then we can at least be sure that there are massive incentives for referees to perform and that the best officials ref the games that matter most.

 

[Guernman]

I have no issue with the ref being shown a still image of Bissouma’s leg actually being bent by the impact of the rash challenge. The whole point is that whether intentional or not that was a potential leg breaker. The game has changed and thankfully career ending tackles are no longer considered just par for the course

 

[Oscar22]

The problem even with the more modern pundits, is that they retired 8/10/12 years ago.
The games moved on...these challenges, even if unintentional, are dangerous and can end players careers.

Liverpool’s appeal is that they don’t believe Jones used excessive force, absolutely ludicrous defence. If there was any more force Bissoumas leg would likely snap. It fucking angers me that they’ve got the fucking gall to apppeal.

Agreed, It is stupid, there’s surely a point where intent has to be viewed as potentially being reckless as well. As in, you can go in with intent (Keane on Inge Haaland) or you can go for a tackle which you have no intention of there being a foul, but you understand that certain tackles can carry an added expectation of IF you get it wrong you might be gone because your reckless action endangers the opponent.

These pundits that have gone down the route of it just not being a very clear intent to injure are just ridiculously wide of the mark.

Jones probably didn’t mean to try and stamp into Bissoumas leg, but he should have been aware that by playing a higher tackle, at that speed and proximity to another player could potentially lead to injury if mistimed or misplaced.

Regardless of original intent, he gets it wrong, and it’s just a red card any way you look at it.

 

[Kirito]

I’d love to agree with you but I’ve got a feeling that with all the shouting them poor little dippers have been doing they’ll get it rescinded, they’ll probably try and get Jota’s first card wiped out as well.
The PL will no doubt think that they have to ‘give them something’ back as they can’t let them have a replay…

They cant, would be telling players its ok to do what Jones and Jota did.

If anything they should reinforce that the sendings off were correct.

 

[spursfan77]

They’re on to it now, Carragher and Lampard have actually both said they can see it being a red card whilst having sympathy for Jones. No arguments really.

Though Carragher is now saying it’s wrong that the first thing the ref saw was the still image of the tackle.

But that happens every time. It’s a blatant red card though. I could see it from my seat. It was a poor tackle.

 

[spursfan77]

The problem even with the more modern pundits, is that they retired 8/10/12 years ago.
The games moved on...these challenges, even if unintentional, are dangerous and can end players careers.

Liverpool’s appeal is that they don’t believe Jones used excessive force, absolutely ludicrous defence. If there was any more force Bissoumas leg would likely snap. It fucking angers me that they’ve got the fucking gall to apppeal.

If them letting Jones off shuts them the fuck up about the offside then it’s a price I’m willing to pay. I suspect that’s what Liverpool are up to with the appeal.

 

[WiganSpur]

I have no issue with the ref being shown a still image of Bissouma’s leg actually being bent by the impact of the rash challenge. The whole point is that whether intentional or not that was a potential leg breaker. The game has changed and thankfully career ending tackles are no longer considered just par for the course

There's also no grey areas then. If there's an image of your foot planted high up on someone's leg then you're off. If that is accidental or not then tough shit and same for both teams. It's easier to do that for this sort of incident than it is for handballs. I seem to remember a couple of years ago they started calling everything as handball which was predictably a disaster.

 

[Mark_147]

In fairness to Carragher (which I’m not a fan of being) his problem with it was it starting with the still image. His point was the ref should view it start to finish, at normal speed, and then slow mo, and then make a decision.

Not go over and see the still image showing the worst bit first.

It’s odd tbh, every time I see the Jones tackle the more and more obvious it is that it’s just a red card, but I do see what Carragher is saying.

As long as the correct decision was made I'm not sure what difference it makes if the ref see's it first or last.

 

[mabolsa_ritchey]

This is still funny

I’ve never seen that before. I’m genuinely crying at that. It made the Mrs interested in what I was laughing at until I showed her. How unimpressed she is just made it better

 

[spursfan77]

Teddy seems to be some kind of spokesperson for them over this and she makes their statement clearer in this:




Transparency is key for Liverpool.

The club, in an unprecedented situation following an unprecedented officiating situation, stated they would "explore" options available to them. They are still learning what those are, but an example has been requesting the full audio conversations.

The statement did not say they would "pursue" all options. A demand for the game to be replayed was not mentioned or hinted at in their communique.

The reference to "escalation and resolution" is to highlight Liverpool would not simply accept PGMOL's vague statement about a "significant human error" and a review without terms of reference.

 

[SpainSpur85]

I think appealing the Jones red card is the very definition of a frivolous appeal! I'd give him an extra game and say studs that high is violent conduct, fuck off for 4 games. But I think they might let him off if Liverpool stop crying about 1 offside decision, which is all it is

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I am sure going forward, that the communication from VAR will include their conclusion - i.e. instead of "check complete" it will be "valid goal, no off-side". Thats it. Nothing earth shattering. Nothing that requires people to prostrate themselves in front of Klopp or Liverpool players/supporters. Just an acknowledgment of the error, and a simple way of correcting it.

Commentators just mentioned this is happening today.

 

[WiganSpur]

Commentators just mentioned the this is happening today.

It's a start.

 

[Col_M]

Some of you are bending with the weight. Considering a Replay, conceding Jones red card if it shuts them up, etc etc. that’s what they want. Wear you down with the whining and victim complex until you just surrender

 

[KILLA_SIN]

This is still funny

I watched that live, great memory

 

[dirtyh]

I watched that live, great memory

one of the best nights ever. The thread on here was gold.