Levy, ENIC and DC

[LeParisien]

You need to use common sense

Thank you for your excellent reply

 

[Trix]

With zero investment in the team I don't expect us to challenge the top 4 this season. I was never suggesting that we would win the title. I was suggesting that to compete we needed to invest. We will be lucky to get 5th this season based on the lack of investment.

Forget how much everyone spent our squad is still every bit as valuable as those around us except maybe City. We all wanted to strengthen this window, but that doesn't take away the fact we already have a very good squad here. It's every bit as good as Yanited and Chelsea, we just aren't as match fit yet due to the WC.

 

[absolute bobbins]

I wouldn't do much in Jan, unless we have serious injuries. I'd want planning for next summer. Identify key targets, and wine and dine them and their agents. If we can shift Janssen, Nkoudou, and presumably Rose, we'll also have Vorm, Llorente and Dembele out of contract too. That's potentially 6 squad spots opened up, and 5 non-HG. That gives us a lot more room to bring players in next year.

I’d like to see deals done in Jan, even if the players don’t join up until pre season. We’ll definitely need to have a few players starting to look over the shoulders by that point and it gives them time to try and up their game.

It won’t do much for the SC summer ad revenue but it will do wonders for some people’s blood pressure

 

[CowInAComa]

With zero investment in the team I don't expect us to challenge the top 4 this season. I was never suggesting that we would win the title. I was suggesting that to compete we needed to invest. We will be lucky to get 5th this season based on the lack of investment.

Cant tell if being serious....

 

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I am clearly a fan of levy. You are seemingly not. That’s fine - I respect your well-expressed views and wouldn’t it be boring if we all agreed ...

As it happens I agree with pretty much everything you say in this post.

I am suspicious of the ability of itk to get us closer to the “truth” - whatever that means in the crazy word of football politics ?

I would also clarify that the wedge that many on this forum seek to drive between poch and levy exists only on this forum. As you say, I doubt they care much at all about what we say on here !! I did not want to imply that we are causing them to drift apart !!

Thanks for engaging in an intelligent manner !

Absolute pleasure, mate! It's refreshing to engage in a reasoned debate with someone from the other side of the Levy "divide" without being accused of "bed wetting" or "throwing toys out of prams" and other patronising unproductive garbage. Take care mate!

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

That argument assumes that new signings automatically make every team better every year. If that were the case, football would be in some sort of nirvana/utopia as all teams reach perfection. It's just not true. New signings can lose form and confidence in new surroundings, other players lose form. It's all a crap-shoot.

If we can avoid injuries in midfield, and a couple of younger players can contribute, we can still do very well.

Most people are assuming signings don't make teams better.

Regards to injuries, for the first game we had no Lamela, Wanyama or winks. In addition to those midfielders, so sign of Trippier and Kane, we can all agree, looks f****d.

So in that regard, signings like those made but Liverpool and Chelsea will improve them more than us promoting one or two youngsters.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Forget how much everyone spent our squad is still every bit as valuable as those around us except maybe City. We all wanted to strengthen this window, but that doesn't take away the fact we already have a very good squad here. It's every bit as good as Yanited and Chelsea, we just aren't as match fit yet due to the WC.

Our squad was just about good enough to finish 3rd last season, lost games we should have won in all 3 cups and looks shattered now.

It was obvious today that teams are going to be shit scared of Liverpool so they'll end up winning games before a ball has been kicked.

All we've managed to "gain" this season continuity at best. I'd argue it wasn't quite enough on 4 fronts this season so it won't be this, with others gaining ground.

 

[Ossie85]

I agree with the policy of not buying for the sake of it. If we can't get the ones we like, don't go for the cheaper option.

But I would've liked we had at least signed some young players to slowly bring into the team along with the academy players. Someone like Ben Brereton would've been a nice bet

 

[dontcallme]

I agree with the policy of now buying for the sake of it. If we can't get the ones we like, don't go for the cheaper option.

But I would've liked we had at least signed some young players to slowly bring into the team along with the academy players. Someone like Ben Brereton would've been a nice bet

Maybe. I think it is quite normal to try and bring through a few youth players at a time.

Trying to implement more becomes difficult as their game time is too diminshed.

We currently have Winks, Onomah, KWP, Foyth and Amos trying to get game time. Right now adding more youngsters who need game time is very difficult.

 

[Lilbaz]

I agree with the policy of now buying for the sake of it. If we can't get the ones we like, don't go for the cheaper option.

But I would've liked we had at least signed some young players to slowly bring into the team along with the academy players. Someone like Ben Brereton would've been a nice bet

Obviously the stadium and no namig rights deal played a part, but do you think losing some of our youngsters also put some pressure on?

 

[Ossie85]

Maybe. I think it is quite normal to try and bring through a few youth players at a time.

Trying to implement more becomes difficult as their game time is too diminshed.

We currently have Winks, Onomah, KWP, Foyth and Amos trying to get game time. Right now adding more youngsters who need game time is very difficult.

Not if they play in other positions. Those you mentioned play CB, RB and CM.
Right now we could do with a youth striker, a winger or a left back. Troy Parrott is too young (and I don't like KWP as a LB)

 

[dontcallme]

Not if they play in other positions. Those you mentioned play CB, RB and CM.
Right now we could do with a youth striker, a winger or a left back. Troy Parrott is too young (and I don't like KWP as a LB)

I disagree. Bringing through youth is partly about timing. If we play too many young players in a match we will lose.

I remember reading a good article from Arnesen discussing bring through one or two young players a year. This means they can play in a settled, experienced team. If we try to bring through 6 at a time every time they play the team will be disjointed which isn't good for development.

There is a good reason first teams don't have a full back up team of young players.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

It's a load of bollocks we can't improve on our squad.

Dier and Sissoko were poor yesterday (and week in week out)
They were filling in (imo) for Wanyama and Dembele (who both seem prone to injury)

So there's 2 positions that can be upgraded.

Aurrier, assist aside, was his usual liability.

We have holes in the squad, it's a squad game, not a simple 11 game now.
We need a strong 17 at least.

 

[brasil_spur]

Our squad is surely no worse than last years.even if it's no better![/QUOTE]

I think the issue with our squad this season though is going to be fatigue. Our key squad is largely un-rested this summer and this will catch-up during the season.

Given that Liverpool have improved and Chelsea and Utd have made small improvements to their squads, I think we’ll struggle to finish top 3.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Levy and Enic out. Done a lot of good, won’t take us to the next level though.

The time to judge ENIC & Levy is once things settle down in our new stadium. Any sooner and it's not a fair reflection of their capabilities to take us to the next level

 

[piedpiper]

But of course you'd never do that?! You like to suggest that "narrative bias" is exclusively the domain of anti-Levy posters; not the pro-Levy brigade. How very pious of you. Well how about this comment from Pochetinno: "We cannot think we are the cleverest people in the world winning trophies spending small money". How does that accord with your narrative? You wouldn't "choose to disregard some of his words", surely?
And has it occurred to you that as an employee of the Club, Poch might be compelled to tow the Club's party line, to "read" from the Club's pre-prepared press release? To do anything but that would be a PR disaster. Is he really going to say, "Well my Chairman was the only "deal-broker" across 5 leagues and 98 clubs to fail to negotiate a SINGLE transfer, and now I've very little effective cover for key players that could be fucked after playing in a World Cup and having no pre-season"? Yeah you keep spinning the bullshit that Poch never really wanted money spent to improve the squad and it was always his intention to just promote the youth. That conveniently fits your narrative, doesn't it. Tu débarques, mon pote!

F#ck you good. Oh i agree btw

 

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The time to judge ENIC & Levy is once things settle down in our new stadium. Any sooner and it's not a fair reflection of their capabilities to take us to the next level

I think it depends on what we're judging them on, Darren. If we're judging them on their piss-poor performance in the transfer window, I reckon now is as good a time as any. Regarding transfers, wasn't it Grey Fox who said, in essence, something along the lines of, it's time for Levy & ENIC to shit or get off the pot? I don't see much evidence of shitting, do you mate?

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

I think it depends on what we're judging them on, Darren. If we're judging them on their piss-poor performance in the transfer window, I reckon now is as good a time as any. Regarding transfers, wasn't it Grey Fox who said, in essence, something along the lines of, it's time for Levy & ENIC to shit or get off the pot? I don't see much evidence of shitting, do you mate?

All I know is that the lot up the road to us, with far more money based on fan base and champions league money have had to sell 20 of their first team players since 2000 to balance books. I'd be more concerned if we had sold players and not replaced them. I'm disappointed we didn't get one or two in but ultimately the lack of moving players like Dembele or Toby on (holds breath as there's a couple of weeks of the window left) compensate to some degree as the club are in theory wiping their mouths of about £30m in sales in for the greater good. All I know is keeping Tottenham in the top 3 whilst navigating their way through a £1bn long term infrastructure investment that will nearly p, if not double our match day earnings is a top class feat. I'm only prepared to judge them once we start reaping the rewards of that investment as they've been juggling a fair amount of balancing on pitch and off pitch project work. The long term contracts agreed barring Jan &a Eriksen to date go some way to giving us financial stability until we get there but we're getting closer, be it with ENIC or not

 

[[email protected]]

F#ck you good. Oh i agree btw

Haha!! Thanks mate, I really appreciate your posts too Piedpiper. Just wish we had got it wrong and Levy had played a blinder. But alas no mate. A lot of us saw this shit-show coming, and were roundly derided for voicing our concerns. Take care mate!

 

[mrlilywhite]

Honestly yesterdays game was a clear indication of how much we messed up. I certainly don't subscribe to getting more players in for the sake of saying we signed someone, but to say there was no one we could be to replace Sissoko is ludicrous, or there was no one we could get other than Grealish to deputise for Eriksen is crap. Moutinho went to wolves for £5m, and we didn't even think he was worth a punt!? There were no better strikers available to back up Kane!?? Levy could have got rid of the deadwood in the time he had but was more than likely hanging out for a profit.

ENIC, as long as they own this club will never make us winners - They don't want to invest in the club from their own pockets, and that is what is needed. The club can't challenge the likes of City, Utd & Liverpool based on self-sustainability! It's a nice idea, but it won't win us anything of note. I don't recall (though stand to be corrected) anytime ENIC has propped us up financially from their own pockets to make us better - Stadium - Loans, Hotspur way - prob loans of some sort - Player acquisition all in the name of the club, not ENIC. When/if they sell for somewhere in the region off £2bn - How much would they have made since they bought the club?

I get what Levy has done for the club, I really do. I can remember the dark days. every day was a rainy day at the lane. Now though they have really taken us as far as we can go. They have positioned us in a prime position to really kick on from here, but we could so easily go back the other way as well. I doubt that when Levy was looking for a manager after Sherwood, did he look at Poch and think this guy can take us far? Did he see a world class striker in Harry Kane before he hit the big time? A lot of fortune has been blown our way, but we could be in danger of letting it slip away. Still, I'm sure we will be alright with a wonderful stadium and the extortionate season tickets. ENIC for me has been bittersweet and I for one will crack a little smile if we get someone in that wants to run this club for success - It might take a while though...