Levy to reform scouting procedures

[mill]

I think the answer there is one of them was £17m and the other one was upwards of £25m.

Thing is £17m still can get you a player with the skillset we needed, cabaye went for a similar figure 6 months later iirc, there was plenty of others more suited to what we needed, none perfect but would've addressed the obvious deficiency rather than compound it. Banega, clasie, badelj etc.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Thing is £17m still can get you a player with the skillset we needed, cabaye went for a similar figure 6 months later iirc, there was plenty of others more suited to what we needed, none perfect but would've addressed the obvious deficiency rather than compound it. Banega, clasie, badelj etc.

Yep.

 

[only1waddle]

Thing is £17m still can get you a player with the skillset we needed, cabaye went for a similar figure 6 months later iirc, there was plenty of others more suited to what we needed, none perfect but would've addressed the obvious deficiency rather than compound it. Banega, clasie, badelj etc.

The Modric/Moutinho = Dembele window i think we were linked with Pjanic all summer long, another guy with some decent vision.

 

[mill]

The Modric/Moutinho = Dembele window i think we were linked with Pjanic all summer long, another guy with some decent vision.

yeah we don't replace skillset with similar skillset we replace with value, same thing happened with carrick-zokora and our play suffered similarly.

With paulinho I believe they saw it as brazil international first teamer.still playing in brazil with a buy out clause and after a year or 2 European experience a higher value rather than what the team needed and what he brings to the party

 

[eddiebailey]

A column from Tim on Southampton's formula for success. The inevitable puff of self-promotion apart, there is not much directly about Spurs, but I suspect a contrast with the Southampton model can be inferred. He also talks about how it is important that the Sporting Director role should be properly defined and accountable - I seem to recall that when asked in a press conference to explain Baldini's role at Spurs Tim floundered.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ng-because-they-have-an-identity-9832243.html

 

[mill]

A column from Tim on Southampton's formula for success. The inevitable puff of self-promotion apart, there is not much directly about Spurs, but I suspect a contrast with the Southampton model can be inferred. He also talks about how it is important that the Sporting Director role should be properly defined and accountable - I seem to recall that when asked in a press conference to explain Baldini's role at Spurs Tim floundered.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ng-because-they-have-an-identity-9832243.html

TBF he talks a lot of sense in that article

 

[Spursidol]

Kinda but clubs look outside of catchment area too, Beckham was from Walthamstow or something yet Utd snapped him up as a kid, Utd were all over Bale before he settled on Saints so a decent talent on the South coast would likely have other options too away from the area but Saints seem good at convincing them

Beckham was training at Spurs as a kid - although a United supporter and Fergusson made him an offer he could not refuse - and the rules ay the time aid he did not need to pay compensation for the 14 year old.

 

[DaSpurs]

Thing is £17m still can get you a player with the skillset we needed, cabaye went for a similar figure 6 months later iirc, there was plenty of others more suited to what we needed, none perfect but would've addressed the obvious deficiency rather than compound it. Banega, clasie, badelj etc.

This. Is. Perfect. Sums up exactly my issue with the situation as well. It isn't that Paulinho is a poor player, but that he was not even remotely the kind of player we needed and costed a ridiculous sum to bring in.

As was also pointed out earlier, I do think him being Brazilian had something to do with it. I am of the staunch opinion that Brazilian players are starkly overrated just about everywhere for no other reason than their nationality, and I'm pleased to see Poch having none of it.

 

[Dharmabum]

Southampton have the best scouting system in the premiership if not the whole of Europe, never ending production line of incredible talents, we should get Poch to have a word in the Saints scouts ears and tempt them to spurs on triple their current wages

Have you heard of Barcelona and Ajax?

 

[DaSpurs]

Have you heard of Barcelona and Ajax?

I'd also throw Schalke and Sporting Lisbon into that list.

 

[danielneeds]

Have you heard of Barcelona and Ajax?

Barca hardly ever sign "unknowns". They mostly sign sure things.

I'd say Porto and Sevilla are much better examples of teams that unearth stars. Of course Monchi the Sevilla sporting director is available next summer and has been learning English. I wonder if Levy has been in contact.

 

[Dharmabum]

Barca hardly ever sign "unknowns". They mostly sign sure things.

I'd say Porto and Sevilla are much better examples of teams that unearth stars. Of course Monchi the Sevilla sporting director is available next summer and has been learning English. I wonder if Levy has been in contact.

I was meaning the scouting system that identify players at 7-8 years of age and help develop them into stars.

 

[danielneeds]

I was meaning the scouting system that identify players at 7-8 years of age and help develop them into stars.

Academy is a different kettle of fish entirely. The rules in Spain have meant that. Barca have large regions of Spain in which to cherry pick the best kids.

 

[Dharmabum]

Academy is a different kettle of fish entirely. The rules in Spain have meant that. Barca have large regions of Spain in which to cherry pick the best kids.

So why does so many of them hail from Catalonia? It's not their fault that their club is situated there, and it's population, 7,6 million, is less than in most countires in Europe and yet they produce far more talent and any whole country in Europe - or the rest of the world for that sake - does...
Scouting talent that early makes it redundant for Barca to have to scout "maybes" - as they have those "spots" filled up already by their academy players - so they can use their money for established stars.
Besides, Soton is (much) more known for their academy than scouting established players. Apart from Schneiderlin and Jay Rod, who are the unknown players they have signed and turned into stars...?

 

[walworthyid]

I often wonder why we don't seem to pick up those cheap signings that other clubs seem to? I think must in part be poor scouting but also some arrogance as well. Players are deemed not good enough or too expensive.

We need to make changes to the way we recruit players because over the last few seasons we have bought some poor players.

 

[DaSpurs]

I often wonder why we don't seem to pick up those cheap signings that other clubs seem to? I think must in part be poor scouting but also some arrogance as well. Players are deemed not good enough or too expensive.

We need to make changes to the way we recruit players because over the last few seasons we have bought some poor players.

Yeah I agree with the frustration as to our selections and with your assessment that it's strange we buy these expensive yet often average players, but the problem is they're often expensive players of potential rather than immediate quality, that the club is hoping will reap profit in the future. The issue here is these players are not being bought with a plan for the squad, but rather thrown together and hoping they'll come good with time. We do have to do much, much better with identifying cheaper options that actually address squad needs instead of continuing to stockpile "potentials."

The club can start with signing Konoplyanka or Ayew who each have contracts running down. They would be cheap, address immediate needs, and actually provide something our squad needs.

 

[Sweech]

I definitely think something is up.

There's enough smoke to say there's likely a fire, how big that fire is is up for debate. It's also really difficult to decipher all the information especially when the papers smell blood in the water and want to make crazy claims about what is happening behind the scenes.

What I do know is we've seen some members of the staff leave for different reasons, we've been linked to Monchi the Sevilla Sporting Director, we've had several links discussing what it is exactly that Baldini does here, and we've been linked to a scouting reformat. This convinces me that something is up.

 

[eddiebailey]

I often wonder why we don't seem to pick up those cheap signings that other clubs seem to? I think must in part be poor scouting but also some arrogance as well. Players are deemed not good enough or too expensive.

We need to make changes to the way we recruit players because over the last few seasons we have bought some poor players.

Imagine the moaning on here if we started shopping in the bargain bins.

 

[Mullers]

Imagine the moaning on here if we started shopping in the bargain bins.

I thought we have been shopping in the bargain bins. The bargains bins is all we can afford now really,

 

[Mullers]

I definitely think something is up.

There's enough smoke to say there's likely a fire, how big that fire is is up for debate. It's also really difficult to decipher all the information especially when the papers smell blood in the water and want to make crazy claims about what is happening behind the scenes.

What I do know is we've seen some members of the staff leave for different reasons, we've been linked to Monchi the Sevilla Sporting Director, we've had several links discussing what it is exactly that Baldini does here, and we've been linked to a scouting reformat. This convinces me that something is up.

If there is fire, then it surely should be up to Baldini to reform the scouting department and not Levy but then again he is the one that rehired Ian Bloomfield.