Lose Five

[EnfieldYiddo]

Jesus, some of the posters here are nothing short of a walking contradiction.

Mason has seemingly become an integral member of our first team squad due to being able to play competently in midfield against clubs that would struggle in the championship/

People would genuinely omit Dembele before Ryan Mason from their 25 man squad?!
No doubt on the back of the romantic idea of a home-grown player 'making' it big for us.


Guess that's settled then, Mason is suddenly the new Tom Carroll... I wonder how long before the wayward Modric comparison start.

 

[weststandvoice]

Simple thread, maybe I should have called it Levy's Choice but hey ho. Pochettino has stated that we need to cut down the first team squad. Which 5 from the current first team squad (below) would you get rid of or be willing to sell to enable targets to come in?
Goalkeepers

• Brad Friedel
• Hugo Lloris
• Michel Vorm

Defenders

• Kyle Walker
• Danny Rose
• Younes Kaboul (vice-captain)
• Jan Vertonghen
• Vlad Chiricheș
• Kyle Naughton
  
• Michael Dawson (captain)
  
• Eric Dier
• Ben Davies
• Zeki Fryers
• Benoit Assou-Ekotto

Midfielders

• Aaron Lennon
• Paulinho
• Érik Lamela
• Lewis Holtby
• Etienne Capoue
• Andros Townsend
• Mousa Dembélé
• Nacer Chadli
• Christian Eriksen
• Tom Carrol
• Sandro
• Nabil Bentaleb
• Ryan Mason

Forwards

• Harry Kane
• Roberto Soldado
• Emmanuel Adebayor

 

[hughy]

BAE, Daws, Paulinho, Carroll and one of Townsend/Lennon. Does that bring it down to 25? No idea if there are enough HG there for a 25 man squad tho to be fair.

 

[DanielCHillier]

Going on the basis that we get the transfers we seem to be after..

Keepers - Lloris, Vorm, Brad = 3
Right back - Walker(HG), Naughton(HG), Fredericks(HG), Yedlin(?) = 4
Left back - Rose(HG), Davies(HG), BAE = 3
Centre back - Musacchio, Vert, Dier*, Veljkovic*, Fryers(HG), Dawson(HG), Kaboul, Vlad = 6

DM - Sandro, Capoue = 2
CM - Dembele, Paulinho, Holtby, Sneiderlinn(HG), Bentaleb*, Mason(HG), Carrol(HG) = 6

AM - Lamela, Eriksen, Lennon(HG), Chadli, Townsend(HG) = 5
ST - Kane(HG), Ade, Soldado = 3

Total = 32 - 7 need to go.
13 home grown
*=u21 so no need to be included

If Yedlin comes in, one of Naughton/Fredericks you'd expect to go. I'd be more comfortable keeping Naughton until Walkers fitness is sorted and untill Yedlin is settled.

At left back BAE surely must be a goner.

8 CBs is certainly overkill. Fryers, Kaboul, Dawson and Vlad are the contenders to go. I'd like to see Dawson kept as aside from being club captain he is the only one of those cbs that offers something a bit different needed in the PL. Kaboul is a good defender when good, but too often is a walking liability, not to mention the injuries too. Vlad, I can't see making it in the PL but maybe one turbulent season isn't the best place to have judged him. Fryers I can't see making it, especially now that we've seen more of Veljkovic and Dier has been brought in.

DM is sorted, although I worry about Sandros future. His style of play gets him injured far too often. But if we sell Sandro and Capoue gets injured again...we'd be left with no DMs.

CM is again over kill. I wish all the best of luck to Poch deciding what to do here! Mason surely is too old to make it now. And Carrol sadly just isn't good enough in one position to push forward despite his technical ability. I hope HOltby doesn't get sold as I strongly believe with the right tactical training on where to focus his energy he can become a very good CM. Is Dembele can up his tempo of play then he has the attributes to play the CM role as he has the passing unlike Paulinho.

I'd keep our AM as it is. It's relatively low on numbers as it is and I wouldn't want to see further change. But I suppose space will be needed to accommodate JRod in Jan..

ST are grand.


Summary;
sell/loan - Paulinho, Carrol, Mason, Fryers, Vlad, Kaboul, BAE, Fredericks
Squad size - 25
HG - 9


Hope I haven't missed anyone out!

Agree mostly, but think it would be madness to sell Vlad and keep Dawson

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Jesus, some of the posters here are nothing short of a walking contradiction.

Mason has seemingly become an integral member of our first team squad due to being able to play competently in midfield against clubs that would struggle in the championship/

People would genuinely omit Dembele before Ryan Mason from their 25 man squad?!
No doubt on the back of the romantic idea of a home-grown player 'making' it big for us.


Guess that's settled then, Mason is suddenly the new Tom Carroll... I wonder how long before the wayward Modric comparison start.

Can't speak for others, but sometimes the player to be sold has as much to do with the price he could fetch in relation to the others.

I honestly don't know where Dembele/Paulinho fit in this set-up. The two CMs really need to be intercepting the ball and re-cycling it up field quickly - not sure that job description really fits their strengths. The things they do well, holding the ball, dribbling, hit shots from the edge of the box, are not the types of things Pochettino appears to be looking for from this position - at least not as primary responsibilities.

Without having seen them play in this system, it is hard to accurately gauge where they are.

 

[crokey]

Dawson
Benny
Carroll
Mason
Chadli

 

[sparx100]

Naughton
Dawson
Chiriches
BAE
Paulinho
Mason
Carroll

 

[SFCS]

If it was up to me I'd have Benny, Fryers, Carroll, Dembele and Carroll out the door straight away. Sell them all.. or loan them, I'm not bothered but I think you'd be hard pressed to justify our squad being any weaker without them. I'd let Paulinho go if we got a good offer and Naughton go too, if we sign a replacement. Infact there's a number that I wouldn't mind selling if we got a replacement in.

That's just my take on things but I'll go along with pretty much whatever the manager believes. I think it would be a bad mistake to sell Dawson(so long as he wants to stay) and Sandro but if that's what Pochettino wants, I'd rather they were sold than kept on.

 

[Gbspurs]

Why do so many people want shot of Dembele? One of our best players on form. Suffered last season like countless others, doesn't mean he is now shit.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Why do so many people want shot of Dembele? One of our best players on form. Suffered last season like countless others, doesn't mean he is now shit.

once sc picks a target, there's no stopping them.

 

[SFCS]

Why do so many people want shot of Dembele? One of our best players on form. Suffered last season like countless others, doesn't mean he is now shit.

I don't know what he's ever done to be considered one of our best players. I thought he looked good at Fulham but nothing he's done since his first game for us has really impressed me. He shows brilliant strength on the ball but then runs into dead ends, his passing is poor, his decision making is slow, he gives away a lot of fouls(in his defence he's doing no more than the opposition do to him but he doesn't flop to the floor) and his shooting isn't great. I wanted him to come good, I really did, but I just don't see what he's given us in the past 2 seasons that makes him worth keeping.

 

[parklane1]

Why do so many people want shot of Dembele? One of our best players on form. Suffered last season like countless others, doesn't mean he is now shit.

I like Dembele but i am not sure that his style will suit Poch's way of playing. From what we have seen it looks like Poch wants to move the ball quickly with lots of players switching posistions, i am not sure Dembele will/can adjust to fit that.

 

[Lufti]

once sc picks a target, there's no stopping them.

You're probably the last person on this forum who can say that with any credibility

 

[goughie1966]

BAE
Dawson
Fryers
Kaboul

Pick one from Sandro, Paulinho or Dembele.

I only choose them because the money we'd get in would be higher than say selling the fringe squad players like Carrol or Mason and this would go into funding the purchases of Mousacchio and Sneiderlin

 

[Snarfalicious]

once sc picks a target, there's no stopping them.

I think it's got mostly to do with the idea that Dembele doesn't really move the ball around quickly (last time I honestly remember him doing it was against United at OT in his first season here, he was incredible that match - ironically wasn't that his first match for us, not counting the Norwich sub appearance?). I think you are correct in that targets are established and a lot of posters tend to harp on it - but to be fair, you harp on Paulinho/Soldado not being good enough quite frequently, so you establish your own targets and beat the dead horse just like these posters you like to call out.

I just think it's more realistic we sell Dembele, who is 27, as opposed to Bentaleb (Being 19), Paulinho (Being able to score goals), Capoue (Seems like he should be our first-choice CM) and Sandro (Who arguably could be #1 choice to go if Dier really is viewed as a DM).

I'm not a believer in Mason, I'd sell him if we could but understand he'd be a valuable player to stash just in the event of an injury crisis and to help with the HG quota which will likely be effected by the players we appear willing to sell. I wouldn't classify him as a good option at CM and I would obviously classify Dembele as such. But the numbers game, along with my concerns about how well he'd fit in the system, lead me to believe he would probably be sold. He'd also generate a much bigger fee which could be used to purchase a player of bigger need.

 

[Spurslove]

Simple thread, maybe I should have called it Levy's Choice but hey ho. Pochettino has stated that we need to cut down the first team squad. Which 5 from the current first team squad (below) would you get rid of or be willing to sell to enable targets to come in?
Goalkeepers

• Brad Friedel
• Hugo Lloris
• Michel Vorm

Defenders

• Kyle Walker
• Danny Rose
• Younes Kaboul (vice-captain)
• Jan Vertonghen
• Vlad Chiricheș
• Kyle Naughton
  
• Michael Dawson (captain)
  
• Eric Dier
• Ben Davies
• Zeki Fryers
• Benoit Assou-Ekotto

Midfielders

• Aaron Lennon
• Paulinho
• Érik Lamela
• Lewis Holtby
• Etienne Capoue
• Andros Townsend
• Mousa Dembélé
• Nacer Chadli
• Christian Eriksen
• Tom Carrol
• Sandro
• Nabil Bentaleb
• Ryan Mason

Forwards

• Harry Kane
• Roberto Soldado
• Emmanuel Adebayor

Friedel, Naughton, Chiriches, Assou-Ekotto and Carroll.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Friedel
Dawson
BAE
Dembele
Lennon

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Why do so many people want shot of Dembele? One of our best players on form. Suffered last season like countless others, doesn't mean he is now shit.

It's not that he's shit, I don't think I've seen anyone ever call him that. He has undoubted qualities. Great technique, good with the ball at his feet, quite tenacious, doesn't mind getting a foot in, to name a few.

I think some of us think he's just a little too ponderous and slow to get his head up at times. I don't think he's the brightest either, which is why even when he played further forward (mostly in his early days with Fulham) his end product was always pretty woeful.

If we had a better RB option or had signed another decent CB, I'd happily cull Naughton and Fryers ahead of Dembele, but as things stand we have shit loads of CM's vying for 2 spots in Pochettino's faster moving system, and I just can't see Dembele liking it too much. He wants to dribble round three people before he even thinks about passing the ball, and then it's rarely incisive.

 

[Leo]

Depends on the deal.

*makes Levy poker face*

 

[ParkySpur]

I could easily get rid of 5.

Friedal, despite a lot of respect for the man.
Dawson - see above.
BAE - LOL
Carroll - don't think he'll ever be good enough.
Fryers - know he'll never be good enough.
Mason - a good preseason doesn't mean he is cut out for the top level. But would be prepared to see what he could do in cups.

On top of that, I think we have a lot of midfield talent. I would hate to see Sandro go through sentiment, but he's just not reached the heights of pre-injury. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Paulinho left for good money.

I think Soldado may be given another chance, but you could forgive MP and the club if they decided to cut their losses if it meant bringing in more quality. I'd love to see him succeed, because he offers more than goals. But for a natural goal scorer, I have never seen him look natural in front of goal.