Louis Van Gaal appointed Man Utd manager.

[ItsBoris]

Just give Louis Van Gaal the fucking job Levy. I'm tired of us picking the wrong managers over and over.

 

[Syn_13]

Just give Louis Van Gaal the fucking job Levy. I'm tired of us picking the wrong managers over and over.

Paolo Di Canio it is then.

 

[nightgoat]

It is also the exact opposite of what Sherwood has been preaching at youth level about putting technique before physicality, so I am a little sceptical. The likes of Carroll, Mason, Ceballos and Pritchard are hardly man mountains.

Having said that I think a team of Dembeles may have been exactly what AVB had in mind.

Except that he clearly wanted Moutinho to be a significant part of the team.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

No, it's mostly because of his failures at Espanyol, and how strict he is about his system. Pochettino's gameplay asks for very specific player types, and he will eventually chop and choose within the squad to get it the way he wants. He won't come here to get the best out of our players, he will come here and ask himself which players will get the best out of his system. This may work at a club like Southampton, where they have a nice flow of young talent coming through the academy. But here, I really think we need someone to take our squad and get it playing as a team. We don't need someone to chop it up again.

If you look back at Espanyol, he also went waaaaay too far with his reconstruction of the squad, and made nearly identical mistakes to AVB. He pushed out fan-favorite older players, and overworked the squad (2 a day fitness training). He lost the locker room, the fans, and the board.

I simply think he is destined to make the same mistakes, as he is playing the exact same system at Southampton as he did at Espanyol. He seems far too focused on his system for our squad. I just don't think it will work, especially not here.

FYI, here is his system from the perspective of a saints fan once he was appointed.



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He purchased Osvaldo to be his pressing forward, just as he did at Espanyol, and it failed him once more. It's all just a little too AVB take 2 for me, and I don't think we can afford to take another managerial hit.

I don't agree. His system has improved the Southampton players already at the club. There have been no big changes to the squad. That is the attraction. He actually improved the team through his coaching and tactics rather than a squad overhaul.

I don't buy into the fact our players couldn't adapt to Pochettino. We have a much better squad.

As for his apparent failure at Espanyol. I guess you're one of those who thinks Brendan Rodgers is a failure of a manager because he didn't succeed in implementing his philosophy at Reading and Watford?

 

[jambreck]

I'm afraid you're wrong mate. We've taken our young teams to play in European tournaments many times. Bayern Munich and other German teams are miles ahead in player development. We've wiped the floor with Barcelona under 15s but the German teams always win the tournaments comfortably.

I'm not claiming that we produce better young players than every German club.

But we most certainly are now producing young players who are equally good as or even better than many German clubs.

 

[TheAmerican]

I don't agree. His system has improved the Southampton players already at the club. There have been no big changes to the squad. That is the attraction. He actually improved the team through his coaching and tactics rather than a squad overall.

I don't buy into the fact our players couldn't adapt to Pochettino. We have a much better squad.
As for his apparent failure at Espanyol. I guess you're one of those who thinks Brendan Rodgers is a failure of a manager because he didn't succeed in implementing his philosophy at Reading and Watford?

Not at all. Pochettino's failures were down to him taking a totalitarian approach with his system, and forcing it at the club. He fell out really badly with the players, other staff and the club. He is using that exact same system at Southampton, so I feel that the possibility for him to repeat his previous mistakes are quite high. It's possible that it will work at Southampton, as they may have the players that suite the system, and those players may all stay. But, it's something that will only be revealed with time (his mistakes with Espanyol were after he received a long-term contract), and I do not want to be club that is taking the chance upon his previous failures reoccurring.

If he were to be appointed, I would indeed hope that I am wrong. I just think he is another coach that is a slave to his system and methods. For that reason, and the evidence of his previous failures, I am very cautious of him. I would be very, very apprehensive of his appointment.

 

[Pedro]

While I'm certainly not saying this to debase your point about Ancellotti, because I agree with you in that regard, I think the relationship with Madrid is no more than a pipeline. The "mutual relationship" seems to extend as far as providing a direct route for our best players out of the league, and also as a recruitment tool for us since our young targets see such an opportunity. Musa Yahaya, the young Nigerian midfielder we signed in Nigeria, himself cited that he'd like to play for Madrid someday. If that motivates him to come to Spurs and work his bollocks off to become a solid Prem player and contributor in the process, then I'll take it rather than him going on to becoming a great in Germany somewhere.

I know people hate the "relationship" and view them as poachers, but if it's viewed realistically and without emotional goggles, it's clear that it does provide us with a great deal of benefit despite not seeing immediate return of personnel.

I think JL is talking about the relationship between Anchelotti and levy. It looked for all the world he would replace Harry when he was out of work at around the time of the court case, by the time levy sacked Harry Carlo was managing psg so we ended up with Avb. Probably a lot of reading between the lines, but I'm sure Anchelotti expressed interest to come to spurs back then and he is exactly the type of manager I think levy would favour.

Still LVG for me, he really is one of the greatest managers of all time, wouldn't be disappointed with Anchelotti or De Boer though.

 

[Flashspur]

i dont think it will be LVG. I think it will be Pochettino. I think DL can see a banana skin when he sees one - well most of the time.

So weigh it up. A highly thought of manager with a brilliant CV but equally known to be difficult and tough to deal with at the best of times, lacking diplomacy and having a legendary stubborn streak? Or a young up and coming manager whose teams play expansive attractive attacking football and importantly has a good a PL record.

If you were DL, who would you go with?

 

[spurs9]

Not at all. Pochettino's failures were down to him taking a totalitarian approach with his system, and forcing it at the club. He fell out really badly with the players, other staff and the club. He is using that exact same system at Southampton, so I feel that the possibility for him to repeat his previous mistakes are quite high. It's possible that it will work at Southampton, as they may have the players that suite the system, and those players may all stay. But, it's something that will only be revealed with time (his mistakes with Espanyol were after he received a long-term contract), and I do not want to be club that is taking the chance upon his previous failures reoccurring.

If he were to be appointed, I would indeed hope that I am wrong. I just think he is another coach that is a slave to his system and methods. For that reason, and the evidence of his previous failures, I am very cautious of him. I would be very, very apprehensive of his appointment.

Isn't Rogers the same though?

 

[guy]

Has sami hyrpia been mentioned?

 

[DiamondLites]

Pochettino/Simeone may be the manager we want, but Big Lou is the manager we need

 

[cookiemonster]

i dont think it will be LVG. I think it will be Pochettino. I think DL can see a banana skin when he sees one - well most of the time.

So weigh it up. A highly thought of manager with a brilliant CV but equally known to be difficult and tough to deal with at the best of times, lacking diplomacy and having a legendary stubborn streak? Or a young up and coming manager whose teams play expansive attractive attacking football and importantly has a good a PL record.

If you were DL, who would you go with?

The one who is cheaper

 

[sloth]

Having his best players sold out from under him? Oh, he'll just love Levy then... Lol

In all seriousness though - Dortmund didn't sell his best players, Bayern activitated Goetze's release fee, and they let Lewandowsi's contract run down rather than sell him earlier because they thought it would better for the team. Could you ever see Levy do that?

Every club's a trading club, the more successful clubs tend to be the clubs which are best at trading. The only exception to this rule are the billionaire funded clubs.

 

[sloth]

I'm really not feeling the Pochettino link. Yes he is doing a decent job at Southampton but so did Nigel Aktins. Do we want him now? Let's not forget Pochettino got sacked as he didn't do that great in La Liga after a decent season. For me it's Lois Van Gaal and him only. I want massive experience taking over this spurs side and not some guy that might be good.

I saw this kind of argument re the Rogers vs Lambert debate, as if the toss up was between two people with similar kinds of success on the pitch rather than being everything to do with the manner and method with which that success was achieved.

 

[sloth]

Just got to hope that tonight's second half implosion doesn't effect Moyes long term situation.

I can't imagine Utd would be interested in LVG.

 

[shelfboy68]

i dont think it will be LVG. I think it will be Pochettino. I think DL can see a banana skin when he sees one - well most of the time.

So weigh it up. A highly thought of manager with a brilliant CV but equally known to be difficult and tough to deal with at the best of times, lacking diplomacy and having a legendary stubborn streak? Or a young up and coming manager whose teams play expansive attractive attacking football and importantly has a good a PL record.

If you were DL, who would you go with?

The one who has a proven track record of winning easy really.

 

[sloth]

The one who has a proven track record of winning easy really.

On the other hand:


Van Gaal expressed that it was difficult to implement his football philosophy at Barcelona due to cultural differences, and that he struggled hard as some players were unwilling to follow his lead.[4] His rows with Rivaldo are an example of this. Van Gaal insisted Rivaldo play as a left winger, whereas Rivaldo argued that he wanted to play in the centre, in effect undermining Van Gaal.[5]

Van Gaal eventually left the Catalan side on 20 May 2000,[4] days after losing the league title to Deportivo de La Coruña, uttering the immortal line: "Amigos de la prensa. Yo me voy. Felicidades." (Friends of the press. I am leaving. Congratulations.)...

...Under Van Gaal, the Netherlands finished third in its qualifying group behind Portugal and the Republic of Ireland, failing to qualify for the World Cup for the first time since 1986. Van Gaal stepped down as manager on 31 January 2002 to be replaced by Dick Advocaat...

...He returned to Barcelona for the start of the 2002–03 season, but left the job in January 2003 with Barcelona just three points away from the relegation zone...

...In 2004, he returned to Ajax as a technical director, but resigned later that year due to an internal conflict...

...On 1 July 2009, Van Gaal took over as coach of Bayern Munich.[15][16] Van Gaal referred to his new employer as a "dream club".[17] He got off to a poor start as Bayern coach, winning only one of his first four matches in charge and by November the club was on the brink of a first roundChampions League exit following two losses to Bordeaux. WithBayer Leverkusen at the top of the Bundesliga, speculation was rampant that Van Gaal was on the brink of a departure from Bayern even earlier than his predecessor Jürgen Klinsmann...

...On 7 March 2011, Bayern Munich declared that Van Gaal's contract was to be cancelled after the end of the 2010–11 season.[33] However, he was instead sacked on 10 April 2011 after losing the third place in the Bundesliga..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_van_Gaal


Which is simply to demonstrate that a man who can take Barcelona to the brink of the relegation zone after more than half a season, and who has fallen out with the press and the club hierarchy at just about every club he's managed, may not, given the gold fish patience of our fans, and the brook no insubordination approach of our chairman, be a perfect fit for us. On the other hand he may be brilliant of course.

 

[DaSpurs]

Has sami hyrpia been mentioned?

This post did not deserve a "WTF?!" @Singayid, as a German source yesterday claimed he'd be our next manager.

 

[Singayid]

This post did not deserve a "WTF?!" @Singayid, as a German source yesterday claimed he'd be our next manager.

Yes it did. Sami Hyrpes!!!!!!!

 

[jezz]

On the other hand:


Van Gaal expressed that it was difficult to implement his football philosophy at Barcelona due to cultural differences, and that he struggled hard as some players were unwilling to follow his lead.[4] His rows with Rivaldo are an example of this. Van Gaal insisted Rivaldo play as a left winger, whereas Rivaldo argued that he wanted to play in the centre, in effect undermining Van Gaal.[5]

Van Gaal eventually left the Catalan side on 20 May 2000,[4] days after losing the league title to Deportivo de La Coruña, uttering the immortal line: "Amigos de la prensa. Yo me voy. Felicidades." (Friends of the press. I am leaving. Congratulations.)...

...Under Van Gaal, the Netherlands finished third in its qualifying group behind Portugal and the Republic of Ireland, failing to qualify for the World Cup for the first time since 1986. Van Gaal stepped down as manager on 31 January 2002 to be replaced by Dick Advocaat...

...He returned to Barcelona for the start of the 2002–03 season, but left the job in January 2003 with Barcelona just three points away from the relegation zone...

...In 2004, he returned to Ajax as a technical director, but resigned later that year due to an internal conflict...

...On 1 July 2009, Van Gaal took over as coach of Bayern Munich.[15][16] Van Gaal referred to his new employer as a "dream club".[17] He got off to a poor start as Bayern coach, winning only one of his first four matches in charge and by November the club was on the brink of a first roundChampions League exit following two losses to Bordeaux. WithBayer Leverkusen at the top of the Bundesliga, speculation was rampant that Van Gaal was on the brink of a departure from Bayern even earlier than his predecessor Jürgen Klinsmann...

...On 7 March 2011, Bayern Munich declared that Van Gaal's contract was to be cancelled after the end of the 2010–11 season.[33] However, he was instead sacked on 10 April 2011 after losing the third place in the Bundesliga..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_van_Gaal


Which is simply to demonstrate that a man who can take Barcelona to the brink of the relegation zone after more than half a season, and who as fallen out with the press and the club hierarchy at just about every club he's managed, may not, given the gold fish patience of our fans, and the brook no insubordination approach of our chairman, be a perfect fit for us. On the other hand he may be brilliant of course.

Now fill in the gap between 2009 and 2011 at BM and he becomes perfect.