Louis Van Gaal appointed Man Utd manager.

[sloth]

Now fill in the gap between 2009 and 2011 at BM and he becomes perfect.

It seems to me that people are just focussing on the gaps you mention and choosing to down-play the bits I highlighted.

Perhaps if we'd shown ourselves to be a patient bunch, capable of accepting a bit of rough along the way to the uplands, if as a group we'd demonstrated we weren't, on the whole, juvenile brats incapable of seeing beyond the current peak or trough, then it might not matter so much. Even then though, we'd need a tolerant and hands-off type chairman, one who likes his coaches to have strong independent streaks, a chairman who's adept at taking a back seat and just letting the man he's appointed do his thing without interference, who is willing and able to live in the moment and not worry about boring things like long-term strategy, but seeing as Levy isn't like that, and we're not best kind of fans either, i can't help feeling that LVG could be a time-bomb type appointment. For this reason I don't think we'll go for him.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

It seems to me that people are just focussing on the gaps you mention and choosing to down-play the bits I highlighted.

Perhaps if we'd shown ourselves to be a patient bunch, capable of accepting a bit of rough along the way to the uplands, if as a group we'd demonstrated we weren't, on the whole, juvenile brats incapable of seeing beyond the current peak or trough, then it might not matter so much. Even then though, we'd need a tolerant and hands-off type chairman, one who likes his coaches to have strong independent streaks, a chairman who's adept at taking a back seat and just letting the man he's appointed do his thing without interference, who is willing and able to live in the moment and not worry about boring things like long-term strategy, but seeing as Levy isn't like that, and we're not best kind of fans either, i can't help feeling that LVG could be a time-bomb type appointment. For this reason I don't think we'll go for him.

Not only is Levy not like, our fans no longer have the patience either. After being on the brink for the last few seasons, coupled with the disappointment of this season, most fans (rightly or wrongly) will expect immediate results, especially with the playing staff that we have available….

 

[dudu]

Now fill in the gap between 2009 and 2011 at BM and he becomes perfect.

I work with a Bayern Fan who says he didn't really rate him overall during his period there, said he couldn't get Ribery to play well and while did what he expected by winning the league really, he didn't warm to him at all and was not sad to see the back of him.

The prospect of LVG is very exciting. I think we all just need to be a little grounded about what he will bring to club. The guy is not perfect and has as much of a negative track record as he does positive.

Knowing us.....it will probably be a disaster.

 

[sloth]

Not only is Levy not like, our fans no longer have the patience either. After being on the brink for the last few seasons, coupled with the disappointment of this season, most fans (rightly or wrongly) will expect immediate results, especially with the playing staff that we have available….

The thing is they'll say they won't, but they will.

But I don't think it's so much us being tested and having expectations raised as much as a lot of us are quite child-like in our understanding of the world, whatever lip-service we pay to the long-view, whether it's in the arena of politics, sport, or whatever, we'll tend to act as if only what's happening right now counts and interpret the past and the future through that lense.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

Pochettino/Simeone may be the manager we want, but Big Lou is the manager we need

batman

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

I have the same dilemma.

I would be more than happy with LVG but Pochettino is really the kind of coach we want for the long term. I just worry that our increasingly impatient fanbase/board won't give him the time he needs to succeed.

This just hit me......It seems to me that Mauricio Pochettino only had 2 Short termed Managerial role. Southampton being his second. Is he the sort of fella that thinks Spurs is a Giant to want to stay at Spurs long if given the chance. He appears to me to looking for "gigs" as a stepping stone to a higher profile club. He joined the Saints because of his relationship with his friend, who is now no more there.....and yet his contract is a really short one. Has he any "friend" or contacts in Spurs Hierachy? So will he accept Spurs and if yes, for how long?.....Personally, it does not make good sense if he just willing to be at Spurs for 3 years or so.......I rather have LVG for 3 years and have someone good to be LVG number 2, who will eventually takes over when LVG leaves.....If Pochettino willing to commit to Spurs for longer period and if he is willing to be LVG number 2 will be ideal......Or if FDB willing to be LVG number 2 and takes over after that.......these are the best scenarios for continuity.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

This just hit me......It seems to me that Mauricio Pochettino only had 2 Short termed Managerial role. Southampton being his second. Is he the sort of fella that thinks Spurs is a Giant to want to stay at Spurs long if given the chance. He appears to me to looking for "gigs" as a stepping stone to a higher profile club. He joined the Saints because of his relationship with his friend, who is now no more there.....and yet his contract is a really short one. Has he any "friend" or contacts in Spurs Hierachy? So will he accept Spurs and if yes, for how long?.....Personally, it does not make good sense if he just willing to be at Spurs for 3 years or so.......I rather have LVG for 3 years and have someone good to be LVG number 2, who will eventually takes over when LVG leaves.....If Pochettino willing to commit to Spurs for longer period and if he is willing to be LVG number 2 will be ideal......Or if FDB willing to be LVG number 2 and takes over after that.......these are the best scenarios for continuity.

If you've got a chairman who pulls the trigger more often than billy the kid, plus fans who hail you one minute and despise you after a few bad results, perfomances or quotes, Pochettino (or anyone else for that matter) could committ to a rolling 20 year contract and it'd make no difference.

 

[teok]

We need to stop thinking that any manager or player is going to think managing spurs currently is the "holy grail", we are what we are.

If we don't consistently play in the CL we are going to have to accept that the top draw players will want to leave eventually and we will have to get top players and managers earlier/later in their careers.

Just because pocettino or who ever doesn't want to manage us forever doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good appointment.

If you want ambitious players/managers you have to be clever about it and take gambles, some which will pay off and some won't.

 

[Spurs 1961]

It seems to me that people are just focussing on the gaps you mention and choosing to down-play the bits I highlighted.

Perhaps if we'd shown ourselves to be a patient bunch, capable of accepting a bit of rough along the way to the uplands, if as a group we'd demonstrated we weren't, on the whole, juvenile brats incapable of seeing beyond the current peak or trough, then it might not matter so much. Even then though, we'd need a tolerant and hands-off type chairman, one who likes his coaches to have strong independent streaks, a chairman who's adept at taking a back seat and just letting the man he's appointed do his thing without interference, who is willing and able to live in the moment and not worry about boring things like long-term strategy, but seeing as Levy isn't like that, and we're not best kind of fans either, i can't help feeling that LVG could be a time-bomb type appointment. For this reason I don't think we'll go for him.

Interesting post.

Let me suggest though that in choosing AVB Levy was taking a longer term view. He saw a manager he thought had a clear plan and given time would bring improvement to the team not just based on one player but through a style of playing which would make Spurs a regular top four team. Year one I think pretty much went to plan but it did become clear that AVB was not going to work out so I think reluctantly he parted company.

The board want us to be regulars in the top four because that financially takes up to a new level. If LVG can come in for a couple of seasons and make changes that bring this about I think DL will give him latitude.

Whether he we be able to succeed I don't know but since we have lost our chance for the likes of Martinez (surely as a Catalan sooner or later Barca bound) or Rodgers then an experienced manager who has been a success in more than one country seems a sensible option.

 

[jezz]

It seems to me that people are just focussing on the gaps you mention and choosing to down-play the bits I highlighted.

Perhaps if we'd shown ourselves to be a patient bunch, capable of accepting a bit of rough along the way to the uplands, if as a group we'd demonstrated we weren't, on the whole, juvenile brats incapable of seeing beyond the current peak or trough, then it might not matter so much. Even then though, we'd need a tolerant and hands-off type chairman, one who likes his coaches to have strong independent streaks, a chairman who's adept at taking a back seat and just letting the man he's appointed do his thing without interference, who is willing and able to live in the moment and not worry about boring things like long-term strategy, but seeing as Levy isn't like that, and we're not best kind of fans either, i can't help feeling that LVG could be a time-bomb type appointment. For this reason I don't think we'll go for him.

I agree with what you're saying.
But LVG is different.
The other manages have been the latest upcoming and next biggie in football.
When it hasn't quite materialised, we get impatient and move them on.
LVG has been there and won it.
We have a squad that is full of potential, we just need a manager that can unlock that potential.
LVG has the qualifications and experience to get us there and think fans will be a little more sympathetic knowing we have a winner on board.
He could turn out to be a disaster or could become a legend.
I think his wining mentality and experience could be the key for us.

 

[guy]

This post did not deserve a "WTF?!" @Singayid, as a German source yesterday claimed he'd be our next manager.

Cheers daspurs! I was actually just enquiring, and there you go he's in the press. Has done a good job at Leverkusen and knows the PL inside out.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

If you've got a chairman who pulls the trigger more often than billy the kid, plus fans who hail you one minute and despise you after a few bad results, perfomances or quotes, Pochettino (or anyone else for that matter) could committ to a rolling 20 year contract and it'd make no difference.

Yes, totally agree......so in that sense Pochettino might not be a good fit for Spurs after all.

 

[Flashspur]

I agree with what you're saying.
But LVG is different.
The other manages have been the latest upcoming and next biggie in football.
When it hasn't quite materialised, we get impatient and move them on.
LVG has been there and won it.
We have a squad that is full of potential, we just need a manager that can unlock that potential.
LVG has the qualifications and experience to get us there and think fans will be a little more sympathetic knowing we have a winner on board.
He could turn out to be a disaster or could become a legend.
I think his wining mentality and experience could be the key for us.

LOL I remember reading about the exposing of his balls to the Bayern players incident. A mate of mine is German and a mad Bayern fan and he confirms that according to good reliable press sources in Bavaria, it actually happened in a heated half time exchange where he berated the team for letting the club down, told them he would sack them and said words to the effect - 'if you dont think I have the f*cking balls for it, have a look here'....and dropped his trousers. Apparently the team was gobsmacked and left speechless.

After Timmy's post Chelsea diatribe about players letting the side down I wonder how our lads would take an LVG brain snap like that? Especially the younger lads like Eriksen and Lamela. Unless they caught their Dad's undressing it could be an interesting life changing experience

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

Personally.....i think Klopp will be the best person to bring Spurs to another level.....in the shorter, medium and longer term.

 

[sunnydelight786]

On the other hand:


Van Gaal expressed that it was difficult to implement his football philosophy at Barcelona due to cultural differences, and that he struggled hard as some players were unwilling to follow his lead.[4] His rows with Rivaldo are an example of this. Van Gaal insisted Rivaldo play as a left winger, whereas Rivaldo argued that he wanted to play in the centre, in effect undermining Van Gaal.[5]

Van Gaal eventually left the Catalan side on 20 May 2000,[4] days after losing the league title to Deportivo de La Coruña, uttering the immortal line: "Amigos de la prensa. Yo me voy. Felicidades." (Friends of the press. I am leaving. Congratulations.)...

...Under Van Gaal, the Netherlands finished third in its qualifying group behind Portugal and the Republic of Ireland, failing to qualify for the World Cup for the first time since 1986. Van Gaal stepped down as manager on 31 January 2002 to be replaced by Dick Advocaat...

...He returned to Barcelona for the start of the 2002–03 season, but left the job in January 2003 with Barcelona just three points away from the relegation zone...

...In 2004, he returned to Ajax as a technical director, but resigned later that year due to an internal conflict...

...On 1 July 2009, Van Gaal took over as coach of Bayern Munich.[15][16] Van Gaal referred to his new employer as a "dream club".[17] He got off to a poor start as Bayern coach, winning only one of his first four matches in charge and by November the club was on the brink of a first roundChampions League exit following two losses to Bordeaux. WithBayer Leverkusen at the top of the Bundesliga, speculation was rampant that Van Gaal was on the brink of a departure from Bayern even earlier than his predecessor Jürgen Klinsmann...

...On 7 March 2011, Bayern Munich declared that Van Gaal's contract was to be cancelled after the end of the 2010–11 season.[33] However, he was instead sacked on 10 April 2011 after losing the third place in the Bundesliga..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_van_Gaal


Which is simply to demonstrate that a man who can take Barcelona to the brink of the relegation zone after more than half a season, and who has fallen out with the press and the club hierarchy at just about every club he's managed, may not, given the gold fish patience of our fans, and the brook no insubordination approach of our chairman, be a perfect fit for us. On the other hand he may be brilliant of course.

if you're going to post stuff like that then why not mention also what happened in-between them massive time gaps...? He won a league title with AZ and also recovered from a poor start at Bayern to go on and win the Bundesliga, DFB cup and runners up in the CL final that same season.....

 

[Nine while nine]

We need to stop thinking that any manager or player is going to think managing spurs currently is the "holy grail".

Actually, managing Spurs currently is more akin to "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".

There's a group of ridiculous men in the hunt for a cup facing ever more farcical situations that involve the team getting crushed, attacked or (in Lamela's case) hurled into oblivion. All that's happening currently is that we're trying to replace Tim the Enchanter with a Knight who says 'Nee' (*).


(*) Dutch for 'No', as it happens.

 

[sloth]

I

I agree with what you're saying.
But LVG is different.
The other manages have been the latest upcoming and next biggie in football.
When it hasn't quite materialised, we get impatient and move them on.
LVG has been there and won it.
We have a squad that is full of potential, we just need a manager that can unlock that potential.
LVG has the qualifications and experience to get us there and think fans will be a little more sympathetic knowing we have a winner on board.
He could turn out to be a disaster or could become a legend.
I think his wining mentality and experience could be the key for us.

If we're just above the relegation zone in Jan, or even merely lower half?

 

[sloth]

Personally.....i think Klopp will be the best person to bring Spurs to another level.....in the shorter, medium and longer term.

Seeing as we're in fantasy land, why not Pep?

 

[sloth]

if you're going to post stuff like that then why not mention also what happened in-between them massive time gaps...? He won a league title with AZ and also recovered from a poor start at Bayern to go on and win the Bundesliga, DFB cup and runners up in the CL final that same season.....

I explained why not both in that post and subsequent ones.

 

[VegasII]

Is Levy the vicious chicken of Bristol?