CoopsieDeadpool
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He was also seemingly 'duped' into signing that contract.. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3774...-new-southampton-deal-because-of?ICID=AR_MR_1
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He was also seemingly 'duped' into signing that contract.. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3774...-new-southampton-deal-because-of?ICID=AR_MR_1
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CoopsieDeadpool
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He is 17, I think he can't actually sign a professional contract until he is 18.
Yep, after a simple search on Google, I discover that he has simply stated that he will sign a 5 year contract when he turns 18.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...uke-Shaw-signs-new-year-deal-Southampton.html
Though I'm still confused as to what his current status is as a player? Can he be approached by other clubs? Maybe speak to other clubs? I know that compensation would be payable etc, but I'm bloody clueless as to how the lad currently figures in the world of football? Just 'saying' he'll sign a contract is absolutely not legally binding, is it?
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Sounds well over-priced to me. 8mill rising to 15mill??? He's not even a garenteed starter for Southampton. Maybe he's being managed so he doesnt get burned out, or maybe some of you are over-hyping him some what. I've seen him a few times and while i conceed he looks decent for his age, he hasnt struck me as anything special. He's deffinately not "running games" like some one commented.
Check out some of the soton forums, those guys start shitting themselves whenever shaw is injured/unable to play. No doubts about it Shaw is their first choice LB. I don't think 8mill is too much for a LB who at 17 is already first choice for a premier league team, and has the potential to be the best left back in the league.
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Danny fox has been playing alot at left back lately starting 16 matches to Shaws 20, so it's not like hes nailed on to start. 8 million would get you a quality experienced full-back if we shopped in Europe (Dutch, French leagues ect ect). 8 million is a huge amount of cash, but it's the rising to 15 million part that concerns me. When you consider Jordi Alba was 12 mill, Marcelo about 6 mill its alot of money. I watch alot of the Dutch league and I've seen atleast 3 young left-backs better and would cost a fraction of that price.
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I think it is very difficult to compare the Dutch League to the big ones. I remember Edson Braafheid and Danijel Pranjic being hyped when they went to Bayern Munich and both were simply not een close to be good enough.
The player must be simply quality, when he starts 20 times in the BPL with only 17 and looking good. In 5 years, he is still 22.
The only point I am thinking about is when we want Shaw, what was the point in signing dersperatly Fryers?
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2 players for each position? Maybe they also see him being able to play LW/LM as well as LB in the future. Versatility is a hugely valuable asset in a player after all.
Benny, imo, is unlikely to be here for much longer. Just an opinion that and maybe they've received vibes from Danny Rose that unless he's a serious part of the squad from next season onwards, he's offski in the long term.
The signing of Fryers is irrelevant in this case. We signed him for £1m and a few grand a week. If he hits, then fantastic. If he doesn't he doesn't and if the club has a real chance of grabbing an exeedingly promising youngster who is already delivering in top flight football, they'd be pretty negligent passing up the opportunity based on the slim chance that Fryers becomes Lahm mk II..
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Alba was coming into his final year's contract at Valencia and Barca where he started out wanted him and he wanted back, so really that price was something of a false one, Marcelo was a young prospect at Fluminense maybe a little bit older but not much more first team experience and arguably in a lesser or very different league and was 5 years or so ago. You could compare to say Glenn Johnson at £17 mill or Fabio Coentrao for a reported 30 mill euros
I understand the argument that there are a number of players you could get for much cheaper, but I guess that if you feel a young player has that much already in his game, you feel represents a better player than those cheaper options and is likely to substantially increase in value, plus of course wont be earning massive wages, then it looks a reasonable enough deal. We paid what £9 mill for the Scottish Cafu and most deals for full backs will look comparatively good against that I'd imagine
Every transfer is a gamble and obviously the more you pay can make a losing gamble an expensive one, however generally the more you pay should be shortening the chances of failure and maybe offering a big upside like Bale currently
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It seems we are in a better situation than some on here think regards a new left back, i am with you on BAE, i think he will be offski in the summer but at a good price £6-7m, if that is not the case and Rose wants off then bearing in mind his age and performances at Sunderland i could see us get £5m for him, all for a £100,000 investment.
Ties in nicely with the academy becoming 'Ajax like', if youngsters don't make it into the squad but impress on loan in the EPL and we sell them for decent cash then i would say our academy is starting to work.
I have a feeling we paid £3m for the boy Fryers..
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You have highlighted a good point. So we sell Benny 6-7mill , buy Shaw for 8mill rising to 15mill, so basically we are paying 1 million to weaken our team as I think Benny is the better player at this point in time.
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Just the sheer fact that he's English/home grown, instantly almost doubles his true worth, unfortunately. Also, if we take something like 'inflation' into account, 6 years ago we spent £5mil (rising up to £12mil) for another young lad from Southampton, and he hadn't played a single minute of PL football, let alone the 20 PL matches that Shaw has played. I don't know how those figures for Bale would translate in today's market? But I'll bet it's probably quite a bit higher than the suggested fee for young Luke Shaw.
With the stadium looming on the horizon, and the financial constraints that could come with that, snapping up such an excellent young player could actually be a very shrewd move. With the likes of Lloris & Archer as 'keepers, with Adam Smith, Naughton, Walker, Vertonghen, Caulker, Rose, Fryers, and even Kaboul & Dawson, our defence would be sorted for at least the next decade. This would save any future financial outlay in that department, which would surely only be a good thing?
The same in midfield too, where we perhaps have some of the best young prospects in European football (The Elite league & the Next Gen series certainly suggests so anyway). If Levy loosens the purse-strings & allows AVB to buy equally as promising, talented & exciting strikers too, with a 'worldy' thrown in to help these youngsters come along, we would potentially be set to move into the new stadium without the immediate restrictions that we've witnessed by our pikey bastard neighbours. Surely that can only be a good thing?
Sorry for the 'War & Peace' response.
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That's your own personal opinion though mate and, unfortunately, it's not your or my opinion that matters, it's AVB's. I think there's more than a few Spurs supporters who are of the opinion that AVB perhaps isn't Benni's biggest fan, and are of the belief that his days are almost numbered. It's also worth taking into account that Benni will hit that dreaded 30 years of age next year, and his contract will also be another year down the line, from which point his value will decrease considerably. That will mean that the £1mil you mention we'll be paying to weaken our team, will look like peanuts in comparison to what an eventual replacement 'could' cost when the time comes, but, unlike Shaw, that replacement may not be PL hardened, or even settle in the country, should he come from foreign shores.
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You've deffo raised some good points there, which I have taken onboard. I've never been against signing the kid, but the price equates to him being one of the best left-backs in world football, and as someone who actually watches any football I can, and having seen this lad play alot, I'm not sure its the case. I guess part of my concerns is that I dont feel its urgent, when the need to bring in 2 quality strikers is clear to see.
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Yep I see where you're coming from H&W. Like I said though mate, it's that bloody English/home grown thing. I think the best way for me to get my point across is to mention these fellas..
James Milner - Aston Villa to Man City - £18m
Joleon Lescott - Everton - Man City - £22m
Shaun Wright-Phillips - Man City - Chelsea £21m
Glen Johnson - Portsmouth - Liverpool - £18m
Owen Hargreaves - Bayern Munich - Man Utd - £19m
Stewart Downing - Middlesbrough - Liverpool - £20m
Jordan Henderson - Blackburn - Liverpool - £20m
Andy Carroll - Newcastle Utd - Liverpool - £35m
Not to mention these guys too....
Rio Ferdinand - Leeds United - Manchester United - £29.1m
Wayne Rooney - Everton - Manchester United - £27m
Rio Ferdinand - West Ham United - Leeds United - £18m
Michael Carrick - Tottenhan Hotspur - Manchester United - £17m
Alan Shearer - Blackburn Rovers - Newcastle United - £15m
Scott Parker - Charlton Athletic - Chelsea - £10m
When you look at the cost of some of those players, does Shaw really seem so steep? (There's a bloody good reason i haven't mentioned Bent or Bentley by the way
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Ah right. No idea where that £1m figure came from, other than my arse anyway. I agree with you tbh. We have one very good LB at the club, a promising younger one doing the biz in the prem and one who isn't exactly a world beater yet but one which Yanited didn't seem ecstatic about losing and meant DL played a game of musical chairs for 6 months. A prospect at least.
If we had a chance of signing Shaw we'd take that punt. Precisely the kind of deal DL is all over - quite correctly - from both a footballing and financial POV.
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"At this point in time" might be a key point here, personally I've never been much of a fan of Benny's, particularly his defensive game. There are lots of fans that love him but I think even they will agree this season he has struggled, even before injury he put in some poor performances and no doubt the injury and the time he was out hasn't helped him step up
By contrast Shaw has been getting rave reviews. Of course with young players they can have a great run and then struggle, Micah Richards, Glenn Johnson even Kyle Walker were getting huge hype in their early games and then hit poor form.
It obviously is a risk when you only have a limited track record but at this moment in time Benny is struggling, he'll also turn 29 this month, so this moment in time is arguably going to be the best time to sell for any value. Levy could well see selling Benny pretty much offsets the upfront part of any fee for Shaw and the add ons only kick in after he has reached so many games, won trophies etc, so little extra cost if he's not a success only if he is. If he doesn't sell Benny then his value over the next couple of seasons will continue to decline and at greater rate than a 12 year younger Shaw even if he's not continuing to show quite the same quality as he has and of course if he does his value is going to increase hugely
I tend to think that whether Shaw is the best player to fill our LB position going forward or not, financially there appears lots more on the upside than the downside if we funded his up front costs with the sale of Benny. Of course there could be better options but all will be something of a gamble and can see why to Levy's mind Shaw actually makes economic sense-at least at this stage
