Match Threads Man City vs Spurs - Match thread - Carabao Cup Final 2021 - KO 4:30pm

[fishhhandaricecake]

We never pressed the ball at all of course they just passed it round us.

Completely agree and that was so disappointing, Mason & Co had a free hit and they set-up in such a passive basic narrow 4-3-3 literally any of us could’ve set us up that way, so so disappointing, I’d much rather we’d pressed them had a real go and mabye lost 4-2 or something but we made it so so easy for what is already an incredible team.

Don’t think we’d have won under Jose but to be fair to him I think he’d have given us more of a chance than Mason & Powell did.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This it for me. 3rd manager in 2 years who has failed to get any desire out of them in a big game. Not that it should even be down to the manager.

See what you’re saying mate but I was at the CL final and I really don’t agree in that game that there was no desire. We threw the kitchen sink at them but they had a 1-0 lead from 2 mins in so the game plan went out the window and at that time they were an incredibly resilient team once they’d gone ahead, but we had plenty of the ball, plenty of shots and chances so I don’t agree in the CL final there was a lack of effort, a lack of quality or luck yes but not effort.

Against City sure mabye a bit of a lack of effort but mainly I’d say a lack of belief in the teams ability and the tactical plan.

I’ve played in professional matches against sides who just absolutely dominated the ball and after 5-15 minutes if you’ve not made big tackles or had spells of possession of attack it’s so easy for heads to drop as it’s exhausting chasing empty spaces without the ball and seeing the opponent’s just popping it around like Barcelona in their prime.

 

[danielneeds]

Carragher eviscerating Winks here as one of the worst of a bunch of cowards.

He’s right, although I think Mourinho made this team so fearful of their own shadows.

 

[Albertbarich]

Wow such strong punditry from carragher.

Winks and holjberg must be cringing watching that.

 

[danielneeds]

Wow such strong punditry from carragher.

Winks and holjberg must be cringing watching that.

Yep, bang on. Hope a few of them feel ashamed.

 

[Erm33]

Wow such strong punditry from carragher.

Winks and holjberg must be cringing watching that.

That's why the midfield needs sorting just as much as the defence. Skipp by default should be our number one midfielder next season. No excuse for hiding behind players.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

No I'm not. They are very good. I know that. I saw a severe lack of effort again today though. I think it's been well established I don't like Winks but can anybody point me to anything at all he did in 90 minutes today. Seriously anything??

I honestly can't think of anyone better than him at pointing.

He loves to point. He's a better pointer than Sissoko, because he doesn't give away penalties when he points

Aside from that I can't think of a single reason as to why 1) he started 2) he stayed on the pitch

Beyond him being mason's mate/ an academy product, with Mason wanting to send "a message", this was one of several mistakes that showed the folly of Mason being in charge of such an important game

 

[ralphs bald spot]

but its means nothing from Carrgher just a cheap shot - Spurs would have said before the game don't give anything away early keep it tight take no risks dont give them them an early goal totherwise hey take you apart - you have to stay in the game - sure it went to far the other way and they dominated as a good side can -

sitting there taking cheap shots is easy you make mistake over playing and City score early, you end up chasing the game and could get beat 4 of 5 its still the same - criticising is easy but City finally score from our error in the 80th if we hold out as we could have done who know what hapens in extra time and he is still sitting their criticising City for not taking their chances never any balacnce in the pundits

 

[danielneeds]

but its means nothing from Carrgher just a cheap shot - Spurs would have said before the game don't give anything away early keep it tight take no risks dont give them them an early goal totherwise hey take you apart - you have to stay in the game - sure it went to far the other way and they dominated as a good side can -

sitting there taking cheap shots is easy you make mistake over playing and City score early, you end up chasing the game and could get beat 4 of 5 its still the same - criticising is easy but City finally score from our error in the 80th if we hold out as we could have done who know what hapens in extra time and he is still sitting their criticising City for not taking their chances never any balacnce in the pundits

Mason clearly said be brave, play out from the back numerous times pre-match so it’s really fucking valid...

 

[Monkey boy]

but its means nothing from Carrgher just a cheap shot - Spurs would have said before the game don't give anything away early keep it tight take no risks dont give them them an early goal totherwise hey take you apart - you have to stay in the game - sure it went to far the other way and they dominated as a good side can -

sitting there taking cheap shots is easy you make mistake over playing and City score early, you end up chasing the game and could get beat 4 of 5 its still the same - criticising is easy but City finally score from our error in the 80th if we hold out as we could have done who know what hapens in extra time and he is still sitting their criticising City for not taking their chances never any balacnce in the pundits

agree that it was a cheap shot, throwing in terms like bottling it and spursy but it was pretty good analysis of what we all saw and have commented on for the past 24 hours. It was a gutless performance however you want to dress it up. We were getting bullied from the 1st minute and I can’t believe that for the 4th final in a row we failed to leave everything on the pitch. That is what’s unforgivable.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Loved his assessment of Aurier.
He was contradicting himself about making City play wide though. One minute he says that’s the way to beat City, the next he’s saying Reguilon was wrong to stand off Mahrez and let him cross.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Mason clearly said be brave, play out from the back numerous times pre-match so it’s really fucking valid...

easy shots you cant look at 30 seconds of a football match in isolation - you all know what Spurs would have said before the game you don't play City at trying to outscore them they would murder ya. You keep it tight take no risks especially in the first 5 minutes which is what he showed you try and build your way into a game and they were really good and didn;t let us do that,

Take what you want from any pundit his job is to make you watch him I don't think many of them have much to say that's very interesting

 

[ralphs bald spot]

agree that it was a cheap shot, throwing in terms like bottling it and spursy but it was pretty good analysis of what we all saw and have commented on for the past 24 hours. It was a gutless performance however you want to dress it up. We were getting bullied from the 1st minute and I can’t believe that for the 4th final in a row we failed to leave everything on the pitch. That is what’s unforgivable.

I don't think they bottled at all they just came up against an outstanding side who played really well. They didn't let us play they shut down our options and were brilliant on the day we could have been better of course but I am not sure that the end result would have been any different

 

[slartibartfast]

Loved his assessment of Aurier.
He was contradicting himself about making City play wide though. One minute he says that’s the way to beat City, the next he’s saying Reguilon was wrong to stand off Mahrez and let him cross.

I called it before the match. Said I hope our full backs show their wingers down the line and dont invite them in to shoot.
We didn't
Mahrez shifted to his left every single bloody time, which he will, and we let him.
Truly mind boggling that our players dont seem to have ever seen Mahrez or Sterling play, that this wasnt raised before the match, and that they couldnt pick up on it during the match.
That said I clearly saw Mason tell Reggie, when you get a throw in jalway inside the oppositions half.... throw it fucking forward not 30uds backwards. 2nd half, Reggie gets a throw in halfway inside Citys half... back with fkin Lloris.
Remember when Poch came, took a very very long time to get that AVB stinkball out of the players heads. Gonna take months again I fear (especially as simple instructions and the blatantly fucking obvious seems beyond them).

 

[Daytripper]

Quite a few people seem to have had an issue with the commentators going on about Foden, so this isn't directed at you specifically. I'm just using your post because it's the first I came across this morning.

I don't understand the issue? We're happy to hear commentators praising our players (on the odd occasion that they show up) and, if we're honest, Foden is a VERY good player.

To stand out, when surrounded by truly world class talent is testament to just how good the lad is.

We don't have a single midfielder who is fit to lace his boots. 20 years old & performing to the levels he does. His future looks immense & his praise is well and truly deserved.

I absolutely agree, fantastic talent would love him at our club. Should be an absolute nailed on starter for the euros and his praise is truly deserved but I don't need to be told it every two minutes by Tyler and Neville though which is exactly what they were doing. It was constant throughout the game, 'such a special talent', 'what a fantastic player', 'a joy to watch' on repeat. I don't have an issue with the praise as such, just the commentary from the pair of them.

 

[rossdapep]

Good breakdown from Carragher that, although it's not something we didn't already know.

I know people will be crying for Ndombele but he's been doing the same as Winks in those situations. Clearly Jose has taught them to fear the ball, so it's going to be a while before the players rid themselves of that.

Best way to do that is allow the new coach to bring in a midfielder/centre back who is fearless with the ball, that way it'll rub off on them.
It's also why I'm glad Skipp didn't return under Jose, he's spent an entire year being positive and driven with the ball, Jose would have killed that in a matter of weeks.

So at least the new coach can give Skippy the platform to just do what he's been doing.

 

[gio747]

Loved his assessment of Aurier.
He was contradicting himself about making City play wide though. One minute he says that’s the way to beat City, the next he’s saying Reguilon was wrong to stand off Mahrez and let him cross.

Not sure that's a contradiction. Mahrez was in the penalty box at the time. Forcing them to play wide doesn't mean letting them cross uncontested.

 

[gio747]

No doubt Mourinho has a lot to answer for but these players were playing like this well before he came on the scene.

 

[mumfordspur]

Lucky to get 0
Thats what hurts
One defeat that gets little criticism is the Everton FA Cup result at least we gave it a go
We were bottled up in attack we looked toothless

 

[riggi]