Match Threads Man City vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 23

[Serpico]

Burnley are coached to defend as a unit, it's not pretty but it is effective.

Maybe we have been watch Burnley videos?

I dont understand one forwad (kane) chasing down 3 defenders. I dont know why we play 2 against loads in the middle. Today, for the first time, I felt we didnt want to be there, we went through the motions and that really hurts.

 

[Serpico]

Maybe Jose hates us that much, he got the job to ruin us from within. Or maybe soon Jose will reveal himself to be J Terry. Pulling his face off in an interview, laughing out loud and making the hissssssssssing noise and saying. -I f**k you lot. Something is wrong?

 

[UbeAstard]

A 70 yrd pass from the keeper and Sanchez can’t read the flight of the ball, come on mate that should be bread and butter for a cb

I'm not his biggest fan but the ball wasnt landing in front of him it was beyond him and inch perfect for an attacker coming from an angle. I think it was a difficult one made worse by him not getting his footing right. I thought he played well other than that. I didnt see him getting many games weeks ago but the other defenders have gone down to his level hence....

 

[Serpico]

I'm not his biggest fan but the ball wasnt landing in front of him it was beyond him and inch perfect for an attacker coming from an angle. I think it was a difficult one made worse by him not getting his footing right. I thought he played well other than that. I didnt see him getting many games weeks ago but the other defenders have gone down to his level hence....

Sorry no- when a ball travels that distance, a defebder (i was taught) you dont let it touch the ground or your asking for trouble if a forward is on your shoulder. You attcak the ball and get rid. You can control it dead and lay it off or fuck it up as he did. Thers no excuse for cocking it up at this level.

 

[rupsmith]

There are plenty of defenders who get done by a long, high bouncing ball and a physical attacker running through. I thought Sanchez had a really good game, a lot of good tackles and blocks, passed the ball well.

At least he tried to get back and salvage the situation, unlike the rest of the team, stranded in midfield.

Oh, and Hugo was horrendous today. If we had a better number 2, I would "rest" him.

I have never been a big fan of Hugo's style of keeping. It's much more reassuring when the team has a keeper who "controls" the box, rather than stays on the line and relies on reflex - there are too many uncertainties about where the ball can go after that. When there is a rock solid defence, then it probably works because its about saving the occasional shot which can creep through; but with a back 4 that does give the opposition chances, the keeper has to be a lot more controlling to add defensive stability. He lets in too much and is not getting any younger.

He was at fault for the first two Liverpool goals; three (could be argued four) goals against Everton; and today was very very poor as well.

I wouldn't mind Joe Hart having a go frankly. He "owns" the box far more than Hugo.

 

[UbeAstard]

Sorry no- when a ball travels that distance, a defebder (i was taught) you dont let it touch the ground or your asking for trouble if a forward is on your shoulder. You attcak the ball and get rid. You can control it dead and lay it off or fuck it up as he did. Thers no excuse for cocking it up at this level.

You make it sound really easy. You must have had some coaching then right? I played as a defender Saturday and Sunday league in my younger years but maybe you played at a higher level. I'm saying that ball would have tried almost anyone whether your tryng to 'dont let it touch the ground' or not.

 

[Serpico]

Tactically at the moment , we've got it wrong, this system may work with better players. It seemed to have worked earlier in the season for us when everyone was fit and others teams were surprised. You have to play to the players strenghts and adapt things to suit. We have shoehorned players into a system that now, they look fed up.

 

[Serpico]

You make it sound really easy. You must have had some coaching then right? I played as a defender Saturday and Sunday league in my younger years and I'm saying that ball would have tried almost anyone.

it is easy.
Badic football. Once the ball hits the ground youve lost control with the bounce.. At this level, players cover distance very fast and any sniff of the ball theyre on it.


YOU ATTACK THE BALL AND NOT WAIT FOR IT.

 

[Serpico]

You make it sound really easy. You must have had some coaching then right? I played as a defender Saturday and Sunday league in my younger years but maybe you played at a higher level. I'm saying that ball would have tried almost anyone whether your tryng to 'dont let it touch the ground' or not.

Your wrong, these are professional playes who should have experience every sinario on the pitch so able to deal with every eventuality. We are making school boy errors and not all lead to goals.

 

[DenverSpur]

I think this is it. The death knell, not just for Mourinho but also the squad. Or at least a proportion of the squad that just look way out of their depth. We have one of the most impressive infrastructures/ stadium in the world, which cost serious money that there’s just no way what’s currently happening on the field is sustainable. Each season we lose out on Champions League football, the value of the club dips. This is not what Enic have planned for, but letting a squad stagnate to this level is negligent and now it’s biting the club hard.

There has to be a review of the state we’re in, an evaluation of what has gone wrong and what isn’t working, from top to bottom. Enic will have to play the market hard, but also be open minded, willing to shift the sub-par players at lesser rates or we could continue in this cycle for a few more seasons until we’re mid table fodder on a regular basis. Lots to do

The problem is we don’t move players on quick enough and they then become hard to move. The squad becomes bloated with too much deadwood which means there is no space in the squad for new arrivals.
Every close season it’s a case of sell before we buy but we can’t get rid of those we’d like to move on(often because we want too much for them) and so lose out on the players we’d ideally like to buy. We really need a DOF who has a long term plan; who knows who and when players need to leave and have players lined up to replace them. And act DECISIVELY.

 

[DenverSpur]

I think what he is saying...and i agree with...is that we have a lot of players with a flimsy mentality. Meaning, when things get rough, they often seem to lose confidence and a will to battle through.

We were actually doing very well, up until the Anfield game. That knocked the stuffing out of us. As it was already clear that our confidence was fragile. Lord knows, the Newcastle and West Ham debacles would have left some scars.

But unlike some other players, they seem to struggle when things aren’t going there way. The sign of strong mentality is to fight through the difficult periods. Whereas we have shown a number of times that this squad has a propensity to fold when faced with a run of either poor form or bad luck or both.

Unfortunately that’s been Spurs teams down the years at least since Bill Nick left.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

You make it sound really easy. You must have had some coaching then right? I played as a defender Saturday and Sunday league in my younger years but maybe you played at a higher level. I'm saying that ball would have tried almost anyone whether your tryng to 'dont let it touch the ground' or not.

Sorry but a top quality defender reads that ball it’s really that simple! It’s in the air long enough to read it and make your decision of how to deal with it

 

[DenverSpur]

To those who think we played badly today you should listen to Pep’s post match interview. He recognizes that in the first half we gave them problems going forward, we stopped them in midfield, defended really well against them and that if Kane’s free kick had gone in it would have changed things because games hinge on fine margins. He also said them scoring the first gave them a boost and that they started the second half badly but then suddenly scored the second which gave them the confidence to see the game out.
He did not seem to think that was an easy win against a poor team. I think I’ll respect his analysis of the game as opposed to pundits and journalist, who always have to create a narrative, and posters on here who only see what they want to see.

 

[kannanmothalali]

To those who think we played badly today you should listen to Pep’s post match interview. He recognizes that in the first half we gave them problems going forward, we stopped them in midfield, defended really well against them and that if Kane’s free kick had gone in it would have changed things because games hinge on fine margins. He also them scoring the first gave them a boost and that they started the second half badly but then suddenly scored the second which gave them the confidence to see the game out.
He did seem to think that was an easy win against a poor team. I think I’ll respect his analysis of the game as opposed to pundits and journalist, who always have to create a narrative, and posters on here who only see what they want to see.

Lol he is just being nice. He ain't Mou who prolly would have asked why someone was bring paid 15 million a year to play like Stoke City.

 

[Navy242046x]

Could have been worse, I got an email asking If I want to buy a Carabao Cup finalists 2020/21 keyring.

Looks like it’s made to a top quality standard too??

 

[Navy242046x]

To those who think we played badly today you should listen to Pep’s post match interview. He recognizes that in the first half we gave them problems going forward, we stopped them in midfield, defended really well against them and that if Kane’s free kick had gone in it would have changed things because games hinge on fine margins. He also said them scoring the first gave them a boost and that they started the second half badly but then suddenly scored the second which gave them the confidence to see the game out.
He did not seem to think that was an easy win against a poor team. I think I’ll respect his analysis of the game as opposed to pundits and journalist, who always have to create a narrative, and posters on here who only see what they want to see.

We did play bad, the difference is that we are not good enough to come back against a decent side, I mean come on if City Utd Leicester go 1-0 down they have a squad that can recover, whenever we go 1-0 down to a lloris, Davies, dier, Sanchez fuck up, the game is over we ain’t getting back in the game, and even if we did, one of them idiots would fuck up and let the opposition score again

 

[double0]

To those who think we played badly today you should listen to Pep’s post match interview. He recognizes that in the first half we gave them problems going forward, we stopped them in midfield, defended really well against them and that if Kane’s free kick had gone in it would have changed things because games hinge on fine margins. He also said them scoring the first gave them a boost and that they started the second half badly but then suddenly scored the second which gave them the confidence to see the game out.
He did not seem to think that was an easy win against a poor team. I think I’ll respect his analysis of the game as opposed to pundits and journalist, who always have to create a narrative, and posters on here who only see what they want to see.

Ok... so what was your analysis of the game?

 

[blankom]

I don't know. I really don't. I'm bored of football fans online having better judgement than our professional football manager, the internet is meant to be the domain of fuckwittery. All too often though recently there's clarity. It's taken Mourinho 11 months to realise that Sissoko or Winks fuck us up when we play them in CM. We start a couple of games with N'dombele deeper and we start to look better. We go to 4 at the back and trust N'dombele and we look even better. Concede a dogshit penalty today and Mourinho just instantly reverts. Fuck him, the guy is clueless.

The constant obsession with his favourites e.g: Dier, Bergwijn, Moura, Winks, Sissoko. Especially Sissoko.

The outcasting of Bale and Alli (and N'dombele at one point).

The billionth version of the backline. Over a year in and he has no idea what is best backline is. We don't have great CB options. One guaranteed way to make average defenders into shite defenders is take away any consistency.

i think you’re messing the fact that most of us have been playing Football Manager for ages. And here most of us managed to win Premiership + CL in the second season. SO why can’t José do that ?!?!

 

[Japhet]

I think we were a bit unlucky with both goals. Gundogan definitely clips Hojbjerg's heel before the contact for the penalty was made, and Sanchez gets a nudge from Gundogan when they're chasing the ball, which ends up with him losing his balance. No complaints about the result though. They looked like they all had clearly defined roles and instructions whereas we looked like everything was off the cuff and improvised.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I'm not his biggest fan but the ball wasnt landing in front of him it was beyond him and inch perfect for an attacker coming from an angle. I think it was a difficult one made worse by him not getting his footing right. I thought he played well other than that. I didnt see him getting many games weeks ago but the other defenders have gone down to his level hence....

Watch the footage showing the keeper kick the ball straight down the middle. Sanchez was too busy watching Gundogan instead of the ball. Given the distance the ball had to travel he had ample time to take a few steps backwards and head the damn thing clear but no he paid no attention to the ball, didn’t have a clue where he was and face planted the pitch.