Man Utd Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[OmarsComing]

Mark Clattenburg was the referee when Man City beat Man United 6-1 at Old Trafford, he hasn't refereed there since then. Mike Dean was the referee when Blackburn beat Man United 3-2 at Old Trafford, he hasn't refereed there since then. Chris Foy was the referee last weekend when Spurs beat Man United 3-2 at Old Trafford, he has been demoted to refereeing the League Two game between Accrington Stanley and Rochdale for this weekend.

 

[elDiablo]

that stinks.

maybe time for another panorama exposé.

 

[spud]

that stinks.

maybe time for another panorama exposé.

Maybe time for that old soak to retire so that the playing field can be levelled a bit.

 

[StartingPrice]

Maybe time for that old soak to retire so that the playing field can be levelled a bit.

That's a bit harsh on Steve McLaren

 

[BorisTM]

Now I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but...
After Man Utd's 3-2 loss to Tottenham, Alex Ferguson blasted referee Chris Foy, claiming that Foy ruined Man Utd's chances of winning the match.

"It is a flaw in the game that referees are responsible for time keeping. They gave four minutes. It is an insult. It is ridiculous. It is denying you the proper chance to win the football match."

Since Ferguson's comments on this matter two days ago, Foy has been demoted three tiers and will referee his first League Two game in six years, when Rochdale travel to Accrington Stanley.

There's been a long standing theory that if you mess with Ferguson, Ferguson and his friends will mess with you. Look at the cases of Darren Ferguson at PNE, Jeff Winter, Alan Wiley's 'retirement' and Mark Clattenberg.

Preston sacked Ferguson's son, Darren - all Premier League clubs who had sent players on loan to Preston instantly recalled them.

Ex referee Winter said "The FA is reticent to give Manchester United games to referees that Ferguson has criticised in the past”. He said this because he was criticised by Ferguson and subsequently not put in charge of a Man Utd game for the next two years.

After Alan Wiley refereed another unfavourable Man Utd result, Ferguson called him "fat and unfit". Wiley agreed to retire.

Mark Clattenberg was in charge of Man Utd's 6-1 thrashing to Man City, which Ferguson called the biggest embarrassment of his career. Since that day, Clattenberg hasn't been put in charge of a single Man Utd game - he's missed 34 games in a row.

Crazy theories or does Ferguson have more power than we're led to believe?

From @FourFourTom

I'm not surprised at all. His vile manipulative influence stretches well outside the Old Trafford gates. He has his ways of running the show in the Premier League.

 

[BorisTM]

I loved hearing Freund barking encouragement and geeing up the players in that little spell in the first half.

Also, I've noticed this a few games now, but Villas Boas constantly talks to players. In game if there's a break you can often see him explaining stuff to a player or he's talking to one of the subs and explaining something. Could mean fuck all, but I like to see it. A player who knows what he should be doing is more use than one who doesn't most of the time.

We must improve our pressing though. Even first half there were times when ManU's was better than ours.

Second half the pressing was OK. Stop giving the ball away cheaply - that is what they need to work on, and it should start with the last 4 as they were the most to blame for that (add Bale to that list too), each one of them when having the opportunity to pass to a teammate without being under pressure, and that teammate being in a good position to receive the ball, they chose to hoof it up aimlessly giving it back to United - "You know what, we are not gonna try to score another one, here's the ball have another go."

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Second half the pressing was non existent until they got 10 yards inside our own half.

 

[piedpiper]

away from the refereeing conspiracies..... 2 years ago i vowed never to watch another Spurs vs Man U game. i was tired of all the hurt and anguish after a loss. nonetheless like i fool i would watch the games and become even more upset that i even bothered. this week-end i told myself i would not watch the game and my wife reminded me of this. we were away in the Kruger Park under a beautiful african sky and my 12yr old son reminded me that the game was going to be on at 18:30 local time. i kinded of brushed his reminder aside and told him i would be watching the South Africa vs Australia rugby test instead in that game there was no emotional attachment like i invested in a spurs game.

nontheless i watched the rugby game and 5 minutes into the spurs game my 10yr old son came running to tell me that spurs had taken the lead. not wanting to get caught up in the hype i did not leave the arena where the rugby was being shown.after the rugby match, i then found myself drawn to go back to my room to watch the game. my son reminded me of the promise i had made to myself. my response was son i know i said that BUT the way i figure it is we will soon beat this scum of a team and after 22 yrs of pain i will miss out on that feeling, so lets go watch our beloved spurs and enjoy the rollercoster ride. well i am glad i did not miss the 75 minutes of the match and 4 minutes of injury time. oh feels so so so good to be over that heart ache. like Chelsea of the recent past i hope wer nowe go on to dominate man u and red nose in future fixtures.

 

[Ironskullll]

Apparently it's not a demotion. Hmmm we shall see... http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football...Foy-demotion-is-due-to-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-row/

 

[StartingPrice]

Apparently it's not a demotion. Hmmm we shall see... http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football...Foy-demotion-is-due-to-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-row/

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The problem isn't Ferguson per se. It's the wankers at the FA. ManU is the premiership's flag-ship club, like Ferrari in F1. When selling the EPL round the globe they are the biggest draw. As such they have huge clout with the FA.

The FA need to be more open, and referees performance and appointments explained. Referees should be judged by independent assessors, not managers. This is clearly open to abuse and influence.

Clearly ManU have influenced referees careers. Howard Webb is a poor referee who has built a career based on being as helpful to ManU as possible. 18% of his entire penalties have been award to ManU apparently. That is phenomenal. Also I read a chart today that showed ManU endure the least amount of extra time. At first you think this might support SAF's grumbles about not getting enough, except that ManU are frequently winning games by the 90th minute - certainly more than the vast majority of the EPL, so are actually benefitting from this allocation of extra time enormously. Another example of bias ?

 

[StartingPrice]

The problem isn't Ferguson per se. It's the wankers at the FA. ManU is the premiership's flag-ship club, like Ferrari in F1. When selling the EPL round the globe they are the biggest draw. As such they have huge clout with the FA.

The FA need to be more open, and referees performance and appointments explained. Referees should be judged by independent assessors, not managers. This is clearly open to abuse and influence.

Clearly ManU have influenced referees careers. Howard Webb is a poor referee who has built a career based on being as helpful to ManU as possible. 18% of his entire penalties have been award to ManU apparently. That is phenomenal. Also I read a chart today that showed ManU endure the least amount of extra time. At first you think this might support SAF's grumbles about not getting enough, except that ManU are frequently winning games by the 90th minute - certainly more than the vast majority of the EPL, so are actually benefitting from this allocation of extra time enormously. Another example of bias ?

United were not the flagship club when he took over them - and he used these tactics in making them the flagship team.
Indeed, he pioneered these tactics in Scotland, with Aberdeen and, earlier, with St Mirren, and neither of these clubs was the SPL flagship team.

I am certain these is something in what you say - but it not the whole picture, and it doesn't exonerate Beetroot Head from blame (not that I am suggesting you are trying to do that).

 

[bomberH]

I'd just like to say that Friday just gone, Arsenal were considered genuine title contenders due to their solid start to the season. We were considered generally shit and in turmoil. The following day saw us 2 points above Arsenal in the league. We're awesome. And I'm pretty sure we're on course to win the World Cup.

 

[StartingPrice]

I'd just like to say that Friday just gone, Arsenal were considered genuine title contenders due to their solid start to the season. We were considered generally shit and in turmoil. The following day saw us 2 points above Arsenal in the league. We're awesome. And I'm pretty sure we're on course to win the World Cup.

Yeah...it has been pointed out.
But the meeja don't have a vendetta against AVB (honest guv )

 

[spud]

I'd just like to say that Friday just gone, Arsenal were considered genuine title contenders due to their solid start to the season. We were considered generally shit and in turmoil. The following day saw us 2 points above Arsenal in the league. We're awesome. And I'm pretty sure we're on course to win the World Cup.

On a similar note, I was looking at the Four-Four-Two season preview today, and it showed some odds on winning the Prem this year. Our odds were 33-1 (before selling Modric and VdV) and Liverpool's were......16-1.

So last season's eighth-placed shambles (with a new manager) is twice as likely to win the league than last year's fourth-placed team (with a new manager).

Obviously.

 

[StartingPrice]

On a similar note, I was looking at the Four-Four-Two season preview today, and it showed some odds on winning the Prem this year. Our odds were 33-1 (before selling Modric and VdV) and Liverpool's were......16-1.

So last season's eighth-placed shambles (with a new manager) is twice as likely to win the league than last year's fourth-placed team (with a new manager).

Obviously.

I drew attention to this, as the odds major bookies were offering, at the start of the season, too...it's just laughable, really.

 

[BorisTM]

On a similar note, I was looking at the Four-Four-Two season preview today, and it showed some odds on winning the Prem this year. Our odds were 33-1 (before selling Modric and VdV) and Liverpool's were......16-1.

So last season's eighth-placed shambles (with a new manager) is twice as likely to win the league than last year's fourth-placed team (with a new manager).

Obviously.

These are good odds for making money.