Manchester United have done nothing wrong, also my opinion of Mr Daniel Levy

[ExcellentDude]

Ok first of all I am a new member here and I will lay my cards on the table, I am a Manchester United supporter. You may consider my viewpoint to be biased, but I always deal with the facts.

Sir Alex has never gone public with his interest in Dimitar Berbatov, it has always been done behind closed doors. He has confirmed that the quotes attributed to him in The Sun newspaper did not come from him. Manchester United are as I speak planning legal action against Tottenham for these false accusations. Sir Alex is well within his rights to expect an unconditional apology from Mr Levy and from Spurs.

Your manager Juande Ramos has never come out publicly and said that Dimitar Berbatov is not for sale, he has always said that if the right amount of money is offered he could be sold. Those kind of comments only encourage clubs to bid for the player. I think at this stage of Berbatov's career, you have to accept his desire to play Champions League football and win trophies. Manchester United will sign a striker in this transfer window, if Spurs refuse to sell Berbatov then we will move for Huntelaar so this transfer window is really Berbatov's last opportunity to join Manchester United.

Now to Mr Daniel Levy, it is ludicrous that he compares Manchester United's behaviour in this matter to the outrageous actions of Real Madrid regarding Cristiano Ronaldo, there is no comparison.

Real Madrid have launched a media crusade to unsettle Ronaldo, there manager and president both making many comments seemingly on a daily basis. There newspaper Marca has printed numerous false stories and lies claiming that the move was imminent, despite Manchester United PUBLICLY making it clear that the player was not for sale. There is no doubt about Real Madrid's arrogant and disgraceful behaviour. Regarding Berbatov Sir Alex has never even mentioned Berbatov's name in public in relation to a possible transfer, not even once.

Mr Daniel Levy is the same man who was talking to various alternative managers behind Martin Jol's back, while publicly stating that he had full faith in Martin Jol. He made such a mess of that situation that Martin Jol ended up being informed that he was about to be sacked via a text message while he was still on the touchline managing his team against Getafe. That is a pretty embarrasing and incompetent way to run a football club.

I also have to question Mr Levy's credentials to still be in the job at Tottenham, he has sanctioned so many poor signings for Tottenham and wasted alot of money. Mr Levy must be the only man on planet earth who thought that it was a good idea to spend 18 million on Darren Bent, a player who is not even worth half that amount. We all new at the time that what Tottenham needed was a left footed left winger, a deal was in place to sign Martin Petrov for around 8 million but Mr Levy decided to cancel the deal because the player was not young enough and the sell on value would not be enough. Since then he has sold the excellent Jermaine Defoe for only 10 million, who is a much better player than Bent and did not want to leave the club. Clearly that was another significant error of judgement from Mr Levy.

I would like to remind Spurs fans of how unhappy Crystal Palace are for the way that Tottenham stole John Bostock from their academy. Crystal Palace ended up recieving a tiny amount of money that is nowhere near what John Bostock is worth. Also, if you have any awareness of what is going on in Spain you will know that Sevilla are very angry at the way that Tottenham pursued and recruited there manager Juande Ramos. Sevilla had no intention of letting there manager go and made that clear, but Tottenham continued to pursue him without Sevilla's permission and Ramos's head was turned by the big increase in wages he was being offered. Sevilla were left without a manager in the middle of the season and the team struggled from that point onwards. This came only a few months after the tragic death of the Sevilla player Antonio Puerta, you can imagine how Sevilla fans must of been feeling at that point. So clearly Tottenham are not completely innocent of any wrong doing themselves.

I should also point out that Paul Ince announced recently that Roque Santa Cruz and David Bentley were not for sale. So it is strange that Tottenham have proceeded to disregard this and bid for David Bentley anyway. This must have unsettled the player and put his future at Blackburn in doubt.

In conclusion I want to say that I really like Tottenham Hotspurs as a club, I was delighted when they beat Chelsea in the Carling Cup Final. I have nothing against Tottenham at all, I just want to give the viewpoint of a supporter of another club. I wish Tottenham lots of luck for the coming season.

Thanks

 

[ballingarry]

Ok, that post was too long and second all clubs are at it so to say utd have done nothing wrong is a lie!

 

[ShadyAftermath2k]

:rofl: If i had a little more to time to post, i'd go into detail. But you sir, are wrong on quite a few points. Especially questioning Levy's credentials to run this club. Considering we have none or very little debt, and make a profit. So yeah, he's unfit to run this club.

:bs:

 

[stevenurse]

To say that levy is incompetant because of the signings he has made is a poor way to look at the situation, all chairman make signings, some work, some dont. You could easily say that buying, robinson, keane, berbatov, lennon, modric, jenas, carrick etc were masterstrokes by levy and he is a genius. United make poor signings too, djemba djemba, fortune etc etc.

We may have bid for bentley despite being told he is not for sale but we hardly turned his head as he publicly said he wanted to leave anyway, any more turning of his head would result in us buying a cripple. And despite bidding, no-one at our club has said one word about bentley, unlike fergie and rafa.

I agree that the jol situation was handled badly but this sometimes happens in buisness. I have no real problems with united either, I would gladly see them win the league than any of the other top 4.

 

[nidge]

Your Bostock information is quite incorrect. Here are the details of the tribunal.

This seem to suggest that if Bostock reaches his potential and passes all the milestones Palace will get:-
£700k initial fee
£250k - 5 appearances
£250k 10 appearances
£250k - 20 appearances
£250k - 30 appearances
£250k - 40 appearances

£200k - if he plays for england

= £2,150,000.00

Then add on 15% of any excess of a future sale above £700k

So if he reaches all the milestones we pay £2,150,000 and say he does beomce a world class midfielder and we sell him for about £15million Palace would get another £2,150,000. Now considering he may not even reach his full potential I think that is quite fair.

Now about Seville being angry about how we got Ramos, tell me why there are currently no complaints or legal cases currently understanding between Spurs and Seville that I am aware off.

Defoe had just over a year left on his contract and showed no sign of signing a new deal. Levy was left with little choice but to sell him as if we didn't he would have run down his contract and left on a free. Defoe had had a contract offer from Spurs for quite a long time before he was sold yet despite "not wanting to leave" he didn't sign it.

 

[joey55]

I don't agree with you over the Bostock situation and the way Levy runs the club. But other than that you raise some fair points. But ultimately, the whole Berba situation is the FA's fault, as the tapping up rule is stupid. Everyone knows it goes on and does so in most industries and it's perfectly legal.

 

[Bingy]

Ballingarry.....LONG time no see....and it is great to see you back.

Excellent Dude is a Manc, or a version thereof....so what can we expect? SAF is running scarred and he has been found wanting. Let's be clear about who signs players at OT...Fergy suggests (and no doubt pressures, spreads dirt, influences in a 'shady' way....even blackmails (allegedly ofcourse!). Gill is the money man...and the business man (or should be). Fergy would not last 'pissing time' in the real business world....and he knows it. A big fish in a small pond and pond where the other fish are slowly beginning that the OLD Scot is forced to scavenge in the murkier waters?
They say that even the worst offenders regret and repent, at the end of their lives....Maybe we are going to have a party? COYS!

 

[greavesie]

whats your real name SAF keep on drinking the wine its sunday day off ,dont make you a bad man

 

[Dibby]

OK, firstly, the situations are very similar with clubs repeatedly being told that Berbatov was not for sale both last season by Martin Jol and this season by Daniel Levy. The pursuit of SAF for Berbatov is one that has gone on for two years now and as such the evidence that has been handed to the FA has been accumulated over this time. Whilst I agree that Levy did not handle the Jol situation well, you cannot say that he cannot run this club.

Despite spending so much over the last few years we are consistently making a profit and remain one of the richest clubs in the world. We have also secured the services of one of the most successful managers of recent times. One of two signings may not have gone our way, mainly down to lack of opportunites, but very few can be considered bad business. Bent may be our only striker left in the next few weeks meaning we will need to sign replacements.

In my opinion, SAF is a hypocrite as I have said many times before but as is Levy for he went the same way in his aquisition of Juande Ramos. The way Mr. Ferguson goes about signing top players who are wanted by their clubs is widely known to be unsettling and he will continue to do it for as long as the FA turns a blind eye.

As for Bentley, he had confirmed his wish to leave long before any bid from Spurs was tabled. To say our bid unsettled him would be jumping to conclusions.

That's all I have to say. :up:

 

[jamesc0le]

i don't blame SAF for anything, really. he is very very very very old and clearly cant remember all the phone calls he makes to berba's agent, sometimes, on a daily basis.

keep drinking the vino fergie! it keeps those arteries nice and clear.. mmmm, vino tinto

 

[Bonjour]

Stick to what you know, mate, i.e. Manchester United, because you clearly don't have the foggiest idea about our club.

Thanks.

 

[nightgoat]

Mr Daniel Levy is the same man who was talking to various alternative managers behind Martin Jol's back, while publicly stating that he had full faith in Martin Jol.

The initial approach for Ramos was masterminded by Paul Kemsley, who has since resigned from the club, not Levy...

I also have to question Mr Levy's credentials to still be in the job at Tottenham, he has sanctioned so many poor signings for Tottenham and wasted alot of money.

Then how are we one of the most financially sound clubs in the country, and able to spend the sort of transfer fees we do with no Champions League money, only 36,000 capacity ground and only one big transfer fee received in the last few years?

I would like to remind Spurs fans of how unhappy Crystal Palace are for the way that Tottenham stole John Bostock from their academy. Crystal Palace ended up recieving a tiny amount of money that is nowhere near what John Bostock is worth.

Bostock was out of contract, we offered him one... Any other club in the country could have done the same thing. Just because Simon Jordan was pissed over the initial fee Palace were awarded everyone seems to assume we're in the wrong and tries to use it against us because we complained to the PL about Man Utd...

I should also point out that Paul Ince announced recently that Roque Santa Cruz and David Bentley were not for sale. So it is strange that Tottenham have proceeded to disregard this and bid for David Bentley anyway. This must have unsettled the player and put his future at Blackburn in doubt.

I'm pretty sure Bentley had said he wanted to leave before any bids came in for him... But then we've not put statements from Bentley's agent encouraging bids for him on our official website...

Nice try though...

 

[jamesc0le]

shot down! nice one goat

 

[liberty]

The basis for Daniel Levy's complaints to the EPL isn't just based on The Sun quotes, it's based on numerous attempts to tap up Berbatov throughout the last year or so. Would you be so naive to think that Levy, the rest of the Spurs board and any advisors would be so stupid to base their complaints on quotes produced by The Sun? :bang:

The Bostock signing was completely above board and as a result Jordan is pissed off not with Spurs, but the FA governing rules.

As for the approaches for Bentley; they've again been above board and been directed at the Club not Bentley himself and/or his agent (as you have apparently done with Berbatov).

The reason that our bids for Bentley have come out in the papers is probably because of Ince's quotes or other officials at Blackburn who have made the bids public. Not from us.

 

[nightgoat]

Sir Alex Ferguson has already upped the psychological ante by questioning the age of the Chelsea squad, before claiming he was misquoted.

Poor treasure, seems everyone's misquoting him these days... :roll:

 

[Rumbaldo]

ive read this elsewhere. i appreciate the fact you havent come on here insulting us but im afraid everything you have said about tottenham is wrong so to say you deal with the facts is a bit wide of the mark.
One more thing that is really bothering me

"He has confirmed that the quotes attributed to him in The Sun newspaper did not come from him"

Have you not considered for one minute that Ferguson has said these things knowing full well if anyone winged he could just deny and set the man utd pr machine into action? the poor Norwegian supporters club would not of stood up to them.
Then the following week this whole Chelsea are too old to win the premiership thing comes out Poor old Alex Ferguson being misquoted again boo ho hoo. Its arrogance he thinks he can get away with it and the sad fact is he can.

People say the Italians are cheats and corrupt but least they had the Knackers to try and deal with their corruption issues im not saying tapping up is anywhere near as bad as match fixing but hey we all got to start somewhere right?

 

[liberty]

For the record, the Berbatov tapping up (as it has been done before and probably happens all the time) probably went something like this...

MU Official: Hello Mr. Danchev, this is Mr. X from Manchester United Football Club, we are interested in buying DB.
ED: Sorry Mr. X, DB is currently on a contract at Tottenham.
MUO: Yes, but we are willing to give DB £Y a week incl. Z.

Danchev then speaks to DB about it, then DB is interested and speaks to Tottenham about it and that's when the Club finds out that United have been tapping up one of our players.

So it's nothing to do with The Sun quote.... Ferguson is the guy who says who he wants and then he gets his staff to make the relevent enquiries into it. So DL has the right to have a pop at SAF as he would have instigated the whole thing in the first place!

I'm sure DL has substantial evidence of these types of conversations between DB's agent and MUFC. It will be interesting if this evidence comes out in public.

 

[Stoof]

And regarding Ramos, he got in touch with us.

And regarding managers who say that the players aren't for sale; that's a bit different to a chairman and the club who pay the players wages saying no. How many times has a manager come out and said "so-and-so is not for sale", whilst the chairman sit back and say "well actually, that's not technically true ...". Redknapp and West Ham are surely the most obvious example there with Lamps and Joe Cole to Chelsea, Rio to Leeds and Carrick, Defoe and Kanoute to us.

 

[tRiKS]

you sir have a limited understanding of the laws. How embarrasssing that you've taken the time to write that without knowing your facts.

Ramos

Our approch for Ramos was legal, not nice on Jol but legal. Sevilla were pissed off that they lost thier manager but what kind of weak person is happy when something happens they don't want? but it was leagal becasue of the time left to run on his contract. The morality of any of these situations is not in question the legallity is.

SAF's comments

Assuming it's not just a cover up of course!!. The Norweigen website to which the sun quote were grabbed is an official branch of UTD not a fansite like this, the fact they got a one to one interview with SAF just shows how close they are to the Uk run operation. They are answerable to the club and therefore effectively utd themselves published Berabtovs name in SAF's quote. Anyone would take those comments in good faith. If spurs.co.uk quoted one of our players or staff but later turned out not to be true, i would not blame any outsider for taking those comments initially as true.

However, as it's been said by many people the basis to any actions against Man U is the dossier of illegal contact stretching back to January not anything said or not said in the press.

Bostock

Bostock will end up being at least 2.5 if Jordan is right about him being so good. In fact with sell on clauses if Bostock turns out to be the player he's quoted as being by CP then they will get will easily get back the 5m Jordan said he wanted. Jordan has said himself directly after the ruling and in interviews, since that spurs had done nothing wrong. Only someone who's been asleep for the past 10 years would know if Jordan had a cause to complain about a club he would have. The silence is deafening

Levy

Since our stateman and action there would have been dozens of hacks despseaptly trying to find some sort of evidence to expose Levy as a liar and a hypocrite. It would be a big story for anyone but for a Liverpool or UTD biased media outlet it would be freaking massive. So far nothing! Zip! nada! and the longer it goes without a sniff of a story the more and more confident I am in the fact Spurs really have been clean under Levy. You can call him hard faced or a bit of a bastard over Jol but you can't call him dishonest. We are cash rich and well run. We have more coverted players than ever and the twitchyness of the top 4 tells it's own story.

 

[hybridsoldier]

your a man utd supporter and you came to a spurs forum to post that essay not realising, we dont actually care what you think.

tres sad!