Marca abuse Spurs

[DiscoD1882]

Maybe we should get a thread in the daily Mail calling them a catalonian outpost

 

[Lilbaz]

Not sure about Chelsea, much of their traditional fanbase is from south of the river though they obviously have a lot, Arsenal on the other ham may have even more than us, certainly no less.

Chelseas traditional fanbase only make up a portion of their current fanbase now.
Not that it matters, really couldn't care about the ethnic makeup of each teams fanbase.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Bah, if they think the club has Jewish origins, I'm not really bothered. And Spurs is hated, but so all other football clubs in Europe.
This is not really a big deal to me.

 

[worcestersauce]

Bah, if they think the club has Jewish origins, I'm not really bothered. And Spurs is hated, but so all other football clubs in Europe.
This is not really a big deal to me.

I think the difference is that all other clubs are not hated by certain groups because of their connection to an ethnic or religious group nor have they all had their travelling fans attached with knives and baseball bats for that reason so its a sensitive issue.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I think the difference is that all other clubs are not hated by certain groups because of their connection to an ethnic or religious group nor have they all had their travelling fans attached with knives and baseball bats for that reason so its a sensitive issue.

Of course, you are correct about that.
But I don't really see what Marca did wrong?

Is Tottenham hated? Yes.
Is racism one of the reasons for the hate? Yes.
Is it OK to describe that hatred exactly for what is it? Yes.
Was Marca mistaken in calling it a Jewish origin? Yes.
Is it a big deal whether or not the origin actually was Jewish? No.

I don't interpret Marca as saying "what a nasty club we should hate", but "they are hated for motives of racism". In which case, that's just facts.

 

[fieryjack]

As the song goes, No one likes us, we dont care.

 

[mark87]

Is that supposed to an apology?

 

[Bensonrecon]

I get people saying it's a storm in a teacup but don't forget how our fans have been targeted by anti-semites when we've played in Rome and Lyon recently simply through association. Having "hated for their Jewish origins" splashed as the sub headline of a major Spanish paper is massively irresponsible. Don't trust Spanish police to behave as it is never mind any far right dickhead with a stupid grudge

 

[Hazelton]

I may be reading this differently to others but I see it more as an attack on the likes of Chelsea and West Ham than it is on us, no...?

I read it as "Rival clubs hate Tottenham because of their Jewish origin", which makes our rivals look far worse than us.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Hoping nobody takes offence, but I am not really seeing the problem? We most certainly do have a problem with being hated on for being percieved as a Jewish club .. it's just kind of a fact. Am i missing something?

 

[Speedy]

Hoping nobody takes offence, but I am not really seeing the problem? We most certainly do have a problem with being hated on for being percieved as a Jewish club .. it's just kind of a fact. Am i missing something?

Well the article implies all clubs hate us for being Jewish, which has the knock on implication that the UK is full of anti semites, when we have lost hundreds of thousands of our friends and families fighting fascists when they were getting rounded up we sheltered them here in safety, which we are rightly proud of. I think 99.99% of all football fans would be upset to be branded an anti semite, save a few bellends. And actually, even they probably don’t want to extinguish an entire race based on their ethnicity, but use anti Semitic language more like playground insults, drunken banter or whatever.

Edit -in Barcelona Montjuïc literally translates as Jew Mountain, where they executed Jews for many centuries. Franco was a facist and did his fair share. Spain does have an issue.

So yes the Marca article was badly worded, and they have apologised quite rightly.

That’s the end of it for me!

 

[DiscoD1882]

I may be reading this differently to others but I see it more as an attack on the likes of Chelsea and West Ham than it is on us, no...?

I read it as "Rival clubs hate Tottenham because of their Jewish origin", which makes our rivals look far worse than us.

the crux of it is, what the fuck does it have to do with us playing Real madrid?

 

[dagraham]

Of course, you are correct about that.
But I don't really see what Marca did wrong?

Is Tottenham hated? Yes.
Is racism one of the reasons for the hate? Yes.
Is it OK to describe that hatred exactly for what is it? Yes.
Was Marca mistaken in calling it a Jewish origin? Yes.
Is it a big deal whether or not the origin actually was Jewish? No.

I don't interpret Marca as saying "what a nasty club we should hate", but "they are hated for motives of racism". In which case, that's just facts.

Question. If the background to it was different and you replaced the word Jewish with Black would the reaction still be meh? I don't think so.

I'm not losing sleep over it, but for a newspaper ( no matter how shit ) to print that is utterly unnecessary and pretty disgraceful imo.

As for their apology, it reads more like "sorry we upset you, please don't be so upset that when we tap up your players you refuse to sell to us".

*****.

 

[worcestersauce]

Of course, you are correct about that.
But I don't really see what Marca did wrong?

Is Tottenham hated? Yes.
Is racism one of the reasons for the hate? Yes.
Is it OK to describe that hatred exactly for what is it? Yes.
Was Marca mistaken in calling it a Jewish origin? Yes.
Is it a big deal whether or not the origin actually was Jewish? No.

I don't interpret Marca as saying "what a nasty club we should hate", but "they are hated for motives of racism". In which case, that's just facts.

I agree, I don't think it was meant to insult or abuse at all, maybe just a bit misguided plus something was lost in translation.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I read it as them implying that being Jewish is a problem... "Not intended to harm the image of Tottenham"... Why the fuck would having Jewish origins and fans harm the image of anything?

 

[dagraham]

I read it as them implying that being Jewish is a problem... "Not intended to harm the image of Tottenham"... Why the fuck would having Jewish origins and fans harm the image of anything?

Exactly. The more they say the worse it gets.

 

[Hazelton]

the crux of it is, what the fuck does it have to do with us playing Real madrid?

Nothing at all and it's stupid, I just think they've Google'd us or Wikipedia'd us or whatever, seen the Jewish roots mentioned, the controversies etc and tried to include it as it is a big part of our history.

Marca are arseholes and it was an irrelevant point to bring up but I genuinely don't think they meant anything bad by it. Only they know, though.

 

[Shadydan]

Well that's not very nice is it.

 

[Lilbaz]

I read it as them implying that being Jewish is a problem... "Not intended to harm the image of Tottenham"... Why the fuck would having Jewish origins and fans harm the image of anything?

Think they meant by the term hated. Which they tried to clarify.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Nothing at all and it's stupid, I just think they've Google'd us or Wikipedia'd us or whatever, seen the Jewish roots mentioned, the controversies etc and tried to include it as it is a big part of our history.

Marca are arseholes and it was an irrelevant point to bring up but I genuinely don't think they meant anything bad by it. Only they know, though.

Yeah I think it is incompetence rather than anything else from them.

They don't strike me as the sort of outfit to actually do any proper research so it's probably laziness more than anything else.