Massive Redknapp and Rafa rumour!

[Coyboy]

Why, what did Modric say ?

Pretty much the opposite of how the VDV interview was spun publicly and privately here with those with an agenda; that he does 'do' tactics, that he is a very good coach and has helped Modric develop as a player and adapt to the Premier League.

 

[Stavrogin]

Also, I'm not sure if this has been picked up upon...

But David James in his guardian column said that Redknapp was actually very big on stats and sports science etc. but that in front of the players he would distance himself from it.

The manager used to be the boss: now he has sports scientists wanting to dictate how long a player should be allowed to train and believing their data should be unquestionable. How does that square with someone such as Harry Redknapp who believes there is equal mileage in putting an arm round a player and telling him he's fantastic?Actually under Harry, at Portsmouth, the balance worked quite well.

Of course Harry would come in and say he didn't give a toss about statistics (until we lost and then he'd throw a few at us) but there seemed a workable balance of views.

 

[3Dnata]

I have to say if the rumour is true does it amount to anything?
You're at home in the changing room on the recieving end of a second hammering I doubt the conversation is going to be "chin up old bean keep plugging away like we were".
It seems very plausible to me I'd be surprized if worse wasn't said and it doesn't mean anything.

 

[ItsBoris]

Now I don't think Arry's the greatest tactician alive, but I am 99% sure he didn't come in bewildered and say "hit it to Crouchy." And I'm also sure that VDV didn't have a hissy fit.

 

[Blockbuster]

what a load of jackanory, cannot believe its gone on for 7 pages.

 

[ItsBoris]

Even IF the rumour is true, is it tactically inept to play the long ball when the other midfield is completely dominating ours? Hitting Crouch and working for the second ball might have worked out, maybe that's why Defoe came on for the injured Lennon at 2-0 down.

Smell bullshit, but our midfield was awful. I don't think we hit Crouch enough in the first half for what it's worth too, but you usual suspects go ahead and tear into Harry there.

Yes when your midfield is being overrun due to the lack of a defensive midfielder it would be tactically naive to play a long ball to Crouch which only squanders possession. The point (if any) of a Modric, Kranjcar, VDV midfield would be to have players skilled enough to pass the ball and retain possession.

 

[3Dnata]

To be fair 6 pages of it consist of 2 people who should of got a room and criticisms of people's English innit.

 

[stemark44]

Let's not forget this gem from Rafa as well.

Harry is a very special man, that’s why I already feel at home at Spurs. It feels like I’m back on the street. There are no long and boring speeches about tactics, like I was used to at Real Madrid. There is a clipboard in our dressing room but Harry doesn’t write anything on it! It’s very relaxed. The gaffer gives us the line-up 20 minutes before we go out to do our warm-up. And the only words he speaks to me are ‘You play left or right, work hard, have fun and show the fans your best’. Then the defenders get an instruction about who to mark at corners and free-kicks – and that’s it.

What happens when our players good play isn't enough?

What tactics have they to fall back on when things are going tits up?

We were 2-0 down at half time against City after losing 3-0 to United the previous week.
It's a distinct possibility that this incident took place given that VDV, who comes across as someone who does' not take getting beat lightly and who would be pretty vocal about it,might well have asked the question a little forcefully.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Let's not forget this gem from Rafa as well.

Harry is a very special man, that’s why I already feel at home at Spurs. It feels like I’m back on the street. There are no long and boring speeches about tactics, like I was used to at Real Madrid. There is a clipboard in our dressing room but Harry doesn’t write anything on it! It’s very relaxed. The gaffer gives us the line-up 20 minutes before we go out to do our warm-up. And the only words he speaks to me are ‘You play left or right, work hard, have fun and show the fans your best’. Then the defenders get an instruction about who to mark at corners and free-kicks – and that’s it.

This is the statement by VDV that alluded to Redknapp's lack of tactics and preparation, that Brett was alluding to.

We are all still waiting for Coyboy to provide us with the contradictory evidence that came from the mouth of Modric.

 

[Stavrogin]

This is the statement by VDV that alluded to Redknapp's lack of tactics and preparation, that Brett was alluding to.

We are all still waiting for Coyboy to provide us with the contradictory evidence that came from the mouth of Modric.

It doesn't allude to a lack of tactics... it explicitly describes it (at least in the moments before a match and then only from the player's point of view).

What it neither alludes to nor describes is 'tactical ineptitude'. This is what people claimed. Which was faintly ludicrous given VdV's intention was to praise Redknapp.

 

[rich75]

What Stavrogin said .

The amount of people on here willing to blindly alter history just to make it fit with their own narrow little viewpoint is fucking astonishing .

 

[Coyboy]

This is the statement by VDV that alluded to Redknapp's lack of tactics and preparation, that Brett was alluding to.

We are all still waiting for Coyboy to provide us with the contradictory evidence that came from the mouth of Modric.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...pay-price-for-missing-out-on-Luka-Modric.html

 

[bomberH]

Let's not forget this gem from Rafa as well.

Harry is a very special man, that’s why I already feel at home at Spurs. It feels like I’m back on the street. There are no long and boring speeches about tactics, like I was used to at Real Madrid. There is a clipboard in our dressing room but Harry doesn’t write anything on it! It’s very relaxed. The gaffer gives us the line-up 20 minutes before we go out to do our warm-up. And the only words he speaks to me are ‘You play left or right, work hard, have fun and show the fans your best’. Then the defenders get an instruction about who to mark at corners and free-kicks – and that’s it.

What happens when our players good play isn't enough?

What tactics have they to fall back on when things are going tits up?

We were 2-0 down at half time against City after losing 3-0 to United the previous week.
It's a distinct possibility that this incident took place given that VDV, who comes across as someone who does' not take getting beat lightly and who would be pretty vocal about it,might well have asked the question a little forcefully.

If one of our best players loves the way Harry handles things, that's not a bad thing surely? Sam Allardyce is about as tactical/scientific as you can get in the game, but his teams play awful football and he's never won anything. On the other end of the scale, Mourinho is a genius, but he's on a different planet to most other managers - and i don't think anyone would complain if he did take over from Harry when he leaves.

Harry's man management skills helped us avoid relegation after Ramos 'the philosopher' almost took us down. If you had asked anyone at the time who is a better tactician, thinker etc, everyone would've said Ramos. But he failed and Redknapp's style won us lots of games. So sometimes you have to mix it up a bit. I'm sure Harry's not as 'tactically naive' as some people on here think, you don't spend 50 odd years in the professional game and not learn anything tactically. And i'm also pretty sure Rafa's quote above was a little tongue in cheek too, more of a pop at Mourinho, probably because he didn't pick him. I'm sure Harry does say stuff like 'go and enjoy it, play well for the fans (the bastard), fucking run around a bit' etc, but that's part of his charm and why so many players enjoy working for/with him (except the ones he doesn't pick, which you could say about most players on the sidelines).

He's not in the same league as Mourinho and Fergie, but he's no mug either. I don't believe the rumour but i have no doubt there would've been angry words at half time and now the likes of Parker and Adebayor can have their say too, whereas others may have kept quiet. And that can only be a good thing. You think Roy Keane would've kept shtum if he didn't agree with something the manager said or did, even if it was Fergie? Doubt it. It's possible this has happened, but more likely someone anti has started it for the sake of it.

 

[eddiebailey]

If you had asked anyone at the time who is a better tactician, thinker etc, everyone would've said Ramos.

Not Luka Modric according to the article quoted by Coyboy!

 

[bomberH]

Good find Coyboy.

Modric has himself dismissed the idea that Spurs’ success is down to a naivety and luck. “We do more tactical work than we did with Ramos, and are much more compact,” Modric has explained. “The manager wants us to help each other and especially to attack the other team high in their own half and disable the flow of their game. In offence we have complete freedom.”

So whether people agree whether his tactics are right or not is a different matter, but for our best player to say we work more on tactics with Redknapp than we did with Ramos should put to bed any fears on the whole 'he doesn't do tactics' argument.

 

[bomberH]

Not Luka Modric according to the article quoted by Coyboy!

:lol: I meant fans, but very refreshing to see that.

 

[Coyboy]

Good find Coyboy.

Modric has himself dismissed the idea that Spurs’ success is down to a naivety and luck. “We do more tactical work than we did with Ramos, and are much more compact,” Modric has explained. “The manager wants us to help each other and especially to attack the other team high in their own half and disable the flow of their game. In offence we have complete freedom.”

So whether people agree whether his tactics are right or not is a different matter, but for our best player to say we work more on tactics with Redknapp than we did with Ramos should put to bed any fears on the whole 'he doesn't do tactics' argument.

Should but won't.

Ramos isn't even that relevant to this thread as a comparator. It's the idea that Redknapp doesn't do tactics whatsoever that is being put forward, which is clearly not true.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Worst thread in SC history

 

[chrissivad]

if Rafa knows what he is doing instead, he must know that his fitness is average, and Redknapp was right to subs him so much last season, and even, he must criticism him for picking him in his starting XI, Not His tactic, because VDV makes any tactics poor vs those sides.

I dont think it is. When ever ESPN put up the stat for ground covered VDV is quite normally towards the top. He really is someone that just works hard.

 

[SpurSince57]

And i'm also pretty sure Rafa's quote above was a little tongue in cheek too, more of a pop at Mourinho, probably because he didn't pick him.

More likely Pellegrini and Ramos, Bomber.