Match Ratings vs Liverpool (H)

[doctor stefan Freud]

Alli definitely looked much better. A few seasons ago he'd have scored. Can see his confidence is a little beaten. I won't get too erect yet, I've called for his head, but credit where credits due.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Small , tiny even, caveat to all our enthusiasm over the 'Pool match . They came to play...as did City at seasons start .

When teams do this it means that spaces can appear for us to play too . Our Achillies heel for a while has been the stifling opposition who come to defend . Let's see how we fare vs one of these before we start wondering if its 4th or 3rd that we're nailed on to achieve.

 

[Serpico]

A strange match for me. A draw reflected a fair result although both teams could have won. We had the better chances although they looked the better team and more likely to go on and win. Ref didn't get some decisions right and overall had a poor game but both sides suffered and gained. Disappointed we didn't get all 3 points , delighted with the commitment and team spirit. My only criticism is, we need to be clinical in front of goal, stop the silly errors (their first goal) and start believing because its all there to push on and be successful.

 

[kd2000]

Come on, the lad is like 21 and has only been here for a couple of months.
There no way he deserves this criticism, let alone to be getting "stick off our fans".

Ok let me re word that.
He doesn't seem to get criticism from the vast majority of our fan base.
If you disagree that's fine, but please come back with reasoned argument other than saying he is young. He's is actually 23 in January.
Please, in your humble opinion, what does he offer to the team that he is particularly good at.
To my aged eyes he isn't that fast, his crosses aren't the greatest, he's a clumsy defender and he makes poor choices.

Tell me I am wrong, fine, but suggest why I am wrong

 

[kd2000]

It’s his first season. In a new country and new league. Let’s give him a full season before we make a verdict.

You make a valid point, but at this point in time, can you tell me what he is good at?

 

[onthetwo]

I still dont see what Emerson provides that Aurier did not.

Weak on the ball, no pace whatsoever and a very poor crosser of the ball.

Was just thinking the same i.e is Emerson an upgrade on Aurier?
I hope hes less error-prone over the course of a season AND will benefit from Contes coaching but still tbd for now.

 

[yusrisafri]

Was just thinking the same i.e is Emerson an upgrade on Aurier?
I hope hes less error-prone over the course of a season AND will benefit from Contes coaching but still tbd for now.

I dont think he is. He's error prone as well. He's fortunate he plays in a wingback position and has less need to be in the box to defend, hence his errors are less obvious or less impactful

 

[HodisGawd]

MoM was 100% Conte.

He deserves an amazing amount of credit for turning our tired, mediocre, unmotivated squad into a team that can compete. It's astonishing what a quality manager can do.

Some really good performances in there and I'm overjoyed with the effort, the promise and ultimately the result (even if it wasn't a win).

So as for negatives. There aren't many. Emerson wasn't at his best, but is coming back from covid. Ndombele apart from the pass was a bit anonymous and was poor off the ball - typical Ndom. Kane, Son and Dele's finishing (but I think it was just one of those days when it wouldn't go in for them).

Apart from those small caveats it was all positive. I never thought I'd say that after playing Liverpool. Happy Christmas all.

 

[Matthew]

As fans that today is what we want to see from our team....

Spirit, determination and 100%...

surprising too, that when the players show us something the stadium was rocking & was no where near full capacity!

 

[Matthew]

100% this!!
He doesn't seem to get stick off our fans but for me, he's one of our worst players on the squad. He has no redeeming qualities that are better than others in the squad

mate, he's played about 8 games! fucking hell, he doesnt speak english yet! he has had a new manager implementing new ideas, he's 22! his final ball is poor yes, but that can be improved! just such a harsh assessment! this isn't fifa!

 

[McFlash]

Ok let me re word that.
He doesn't seem to get criticism from the vast majority of our fan base.
If you disagree that's fine, but please come back with reasoned argument other than saying he is young. He's is actually 23 in January.
Please, in your humble opinion, what does he offer to the team that he is particularly good at.
To my aged eyes he isn't that fast, his crosses aren't the greatest, he's a clumsy defender and he makes poor choices.

Tell me I am wrong, fine, but suggest why I am wrong

Football's a game of opinion, so it's not for me to say whether you're right or wrong.
In my opinion though, he's been pretty decent in his games for us so far and yesterday, while not his best performance, he did OK.
Robertson and Mane aren't easy to deal with.

As I said, he's young and new to the league (and country).

 

[PLTuck]

Football's a game of opinion, so it's not for me to say whether you're right or wrong.
In my opinion though, he's been pretty decent in his games for us so far and yesterday, while not his best performance, he did OK.
Robertson and Mane aren't easy to deal with.

As I said, he's young and new to the league (and country).

I'm with you on this.

Aurier was in his late 20s, Royal is in his early 20s. Footballers, and especially defenders can improve a shit ton between those 2 ages. If Royal is still having the same brainfarts when he's 28 then the comparisons to Aurier would be fair. Right now I don't think they are. Aurier was never going to improve that part of his game. Royal can and under Conte probably will.

Lets also not forget that he had absolutely no time at all to mentally adjust to moving away. As far as he was concerned when he woke up that morning, he was fighting for a place in the Barca first team this season. He was then pulled into the office and told he was being sold as they need the money. He didn't even particularly want to come until we promised him hed get plenty of gametime.

 

[Bobbins]

I still dont see what Emerson provides that Aurier did not.

Weak on the ball, no pace whatsoever and a very poor crosser of the ball.

Aurier is such a strange one. Seriously talented player, great athlete, strong, quick, can cross and score goals.

Possessed of the odd brain fart but really not much worse than Kyle Walker was in that area.

Joins Spurs for £24m. Gets played quite a bit by various managers. Wants to leave for reasons we never really find out. Has contract cancelled at huge cost to the club due to no transfer fee despite being obviously our best RB and also better than his replacement.

Joins Villarreal for free and finds himself stuck on the bench behind Foyth.

Just don’t get any of it.

 

[McFlash]

I'm with you on this.

Aurier was in his late 20s, Royal is in his early 20s. Footballers, and especially defenders can improve a shit ton between those 2 ages. If Royal is still having the same brainfarts when he's 28 then the comparisons to Aurier would be fair. Right now I don't think they are. Aurier was never going to improve that part of his game. Royal can and under Conte probably will.

Lets also not forget that he had absolutely no time at all to mentally adjust to moving away. As far as he was concerned when he woke up that morning, he was fighting for a place in the Barca first team this season. He was then pulled into the office and told he was being sold as they need the money. He didn't even particularly want to come until we promised him hed get plenty of gametime.

Yeah, the upheaval he's had over the past few months has been massive. Plus the quoted communication issues he apparently had with Nuno.
It's not been easy for the lad and overall, I think he's performed pretty well.
There's plenty of room for improvement but as you say, he's young enough to learn and I'm pretty sure he's got the raw ingredients there.

I get a bit vexed when people write players off so easily and quickly.
I mean, I'm still holding onto hope for Gio, Sess and Clarke! ??

 

[deekng29]

Michael Cox posted a new tactical analysis article on this match. Would anyone be able to share the full article here?

 

[onthetwo]

Yeah, the upheaval he's had over the past few months has been massive. Plus the quoted communication issues he apparently had with Nuno.
It's not been easy for the lad and overall, I think he's performed pretty well.
There's plenty of room for improvement but as you say, he's young enough to learn and I'm pretty sure he's got the raw ingredients there.

I get a bit vexed when people write players off so easily and quickly.
I mean, I'm still holding onto hope for Gio, Sess and Clarke! ??

Sorry if i should know but what were the communication issues with Nuno?

 

[cliff jones]

What a game, and great signs from the manager that he can make the difference.

I’m not going overboard with the individual performances like some of you, there were still plenty of mistakes but apart from Royal everyone played really well.

Team/Conte for me.

 

[McFlash]

Sorry if i should know but what were the communication issues with Nuno?

He said something along the lines that even though Nuno speaks Portuguese, he struggled to understand what he wanted as he'd only communicate in English. He was having to rely on Lucas to explain things to him.
Not the best way to help a new, young player to settle.

 

[onthetwo]

He said something along the lines that even though Nuno speaks Portuguese, he struggled to understand what he wanted as he'd only communicate in English. He was having to rely on Lucas to explain things to him.
Not the best way to help a new, young player to settle.

im filing that one in the 'Only at Spurs' folder......As in, only at Spurs can a Portugese speaking coach have difficulties communicating with a native Portugese speaker given his refusal to communicate in their mutual mother-tongue!

 

[kd2000]

Football's a game of opinion, so it's not for me to say whether you're right or wrong.
In my opinion though, he's been pretty decent in his games for us so far and yesterday, while not his best performance, he did OK.
Robertson and Mane aren't easy to deal with.

As I said, he's young and new to the league (and country).

Totally respect your opinion, plenty have disagreed with mine and that's absolutely fine.
However, despite all the disagrees no one has been able to tell me what he is good at??
I am not writing him off, I know there is an adjustment period, he is young etc etc.
He may well come good, and I hope he does. But, what is he good at? What makes him stand out?