Match Ratings -VS- Villa

[Gilzeanking]

But I didn't say all managers are the same. If I said it I'd be happy for you to mention it. Also, how can I lose marks after the game has finished?

This is a discussion about semantics now . OK then how about... your argument is that all managers are similar in their effect.

Happy ?

True ,losing points after the game may seem odd , but human perceptions are generally affected by the passage of time .This must be just another example .

 

[joey55]

This is a discussion about semantics now . OK then how about... your argument is that all managers are similar in their effect.

Happy ?

True ,losing points after the game may seem odd , but human perceptions are generally affected by the passage of time .This must be just another example .

No, I'm still not happy. I made a distinction between managers and coach's. I made numerous posts in different threads, but usually with the same people, so often what i said in one thread wasn't in another (as i was talking to the same people). It was a long disicussion that can't really be put into a sound bite, such as "all managers are similar in their effect." It's like me making numerous threads giving multiple reasons why we need a left footer and then you coming along and saying "joey thinks we should sign one legged players."

 

[Bobbins]

There is no chance he stays here for longer since he is not stupid and has already realised how fickle (many of) Spurs fans can be. The thing that makes him mad are stupid criticisms and you are full of them.

Ah yes, for the man himself is constantly spending his time catching up with the latest happenings in the world on Spurs forums. I believe he's on COYS with the account name 'Berbabo' or something similar.

Since he only receives unrelenting praise from Spurs fans (who are well known to be some of the best supporters in the country), and has said himself on numerous occassions that he's absolutely humbled by the adoration he receives from the Yid Army, what exactly gives you the idea that he's 'realised how fickle Spurs fans can be'?

I've given you the benefit of the doubt with many of your previous posts, but you've really shown yourself up with that one.

 

[Legend10]

The thing that stood out for me today was the differing performances of Ashley young and Steed Malbranque, both right footed left midfielders. I made a point a few days ago about how malbranque's drifting inside has a hugely negative effect on the team and at the game today i was constantly watching Ashley Youngs positional sense-he stays ON his touchline for 90 minutes thus stretching the opposition and allowing space to be created in the middle for Moore, Agbonlahor, Barry and Reo-Coker.

Malbranque on the other hand was always moving inside thus tightening everything up in the middle giving is very little chance of creating much-i personally cant wait to get rid of Malbranque as he is clearly never going to be good enough to play in the top four, thats why he's played for Fulham and Spurs, but if he is going to play he has to stay wide, especially with Lee behind him.

On another note, if Keane, Jenas, Zokora or Kaboul had been as poor as Berbatov was tonight there would have been thread after thread about how poor and lazy they are-its time to face the facts that Berbatov is a lazy, selfish prima donna who offers ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the team when he cant be bothered which has been at least 60% of the games this season.

Why compare Asley Young with Steed? Surely he should be compared with Lennon?

We are the same as Villa but just the opposite way round, Young is the wider of the 2 midfield players as Lennon is for us and Petrov comes inside more to make a more compact 3 as Steed does for us.

 

[t79boy]

For one thing Schmeichal was one of the greatest goalies of all time so comparing him with RObbo is unfair.

THe main problem with catching it is that any little nudge and the chance of spilling it straight to a strikers feet is high, and the new balls move ridiculously so catching is harder.

Punching is easier to adjust in the air iyou get a push and should almost always fall safe of danger.

I appreciate that catching is preferable if its safe but i just dont see why punching is so bad as long as its a good punch

fair points BUT when a keeper is pushed whilst trying to catch the ball then almost always the free kick goes to the keeper .....
also a "good punch" chances are reduced if that is all your keeper is doing

 

[Houdini]

Robbo - 5

Zokora - 6
Dawson - 5
Kaboul - 5
Lee - 6

Boateng - 5
Jenas - 4 (There was already someone marking the far post, wtf!)
Lennon - 5
Malbranque - 6


Berbatov - 5
Defoe - 6

Hudd - 5
Keane - 5
O'Hara - 5 (Why have a midget marking someone on a set piece?)

Its not the first time i've seen us under perform on NYD, and it bought back the memories!

 

[TopSpurMan]

Robinson 4 or less - got to do much better needs competition

Zokora 6: Did well

Dawson 4: I could not understand the stuff with Melberg - they were in each others face then he walked off - like if you want to be nasty and score well go on then. Can you see Pitbull or even Naybet doing that? Needs training needs guidance.

Kaboul 5: He's just not there is he?

Lee 6: Played well did the job

Boateng 6; generally played well - just no spark - no invention

Jenas 4; How can someone be on the pitch for 90minutes and hide so well?

Lennon 4: rubbish

Malbranque 6 - Worked hard has to be getting disillusioned playing with this load of crap

Berbatov 7; dropped so deep sometimes i thought he was going to go in goal, if i was him I'd move to any team where more than 3 players actually played any one game

Defoe 6: good movement worked hard got a chance and took it well - should have been dropping deeper to get the ball sometimes

SUBS

Huddlestone 5: I can actually see Tom's thought bubbles sometimes - he is like a big ocean liner, smooth, classy, but ever so slow to turn.

Keane 6: He is better than this

O'hara 5: He was responsible for the 2nd goal - lost his man completely - but then he is a kid, we need experience as i may have said in previous posts

 

[mkkid]

Robinson 4 or less - got to do much better needs competition



Jenas 4; How can someone be on the pitch for 90minutes and hide so well?


So true,quite frankly today he was s@@t

 

[TopSpurMan]

There is no chance he stays here for longer since he is not stupid and has already realised how fickle (many of) Spurs fans can be. The thing that makes him mad are stupid criticisms and you are full of them.

you are obviously either

1) related to Dimi / 150 -1
2) are Dimi / 500 - 1
3) his agent / 10 - 1
4) full or shit / 10-4 on

and never go to a game to hear the clear adoration he commands

 

[CaptainCat]

Robinson made mistakes, but how many more goals would we have conceded if he hadn't have come for the a lot of those crosses that he 'flapped' for? Probably more than we did, because most of them were taken off the heads of completely free players. I would come for crosses all the time too if my defence weren't capable of getting the ball out themselves.

 

[Houdini]

Robinson 4 or less - got to do much better needs competition



Jenas 4; How can someone be on the pitch for 90minutes and hide so well?


So true,quite frankly today he was s@@t

I thought Jenas had been subbed while i had left the room to get a drink, cos i didn't hear his name, or see him, for about 25 minutes after i returned!:shrug:

 

[Has1978]

Robbo, Dawson, Boateng and Berba get 3s.

Defoe, Keane, Zokora 7s.

The rest 5s.

defoe was pony apart from the goal, but i largely agree with these ratings.

 

[robbiesavagehasbreasts]

based on the last couple of games, i want to see a back four consisting of chimbo, ledley, zokora and lee.

 

[Gilzeanking]

No, I'm still not happy. I made a distinction between managers and coach's. I made numerous posts in different threads, but usually with the same people, so often what i said in one thread wasn't in another (as i was talking to the same people). It was a long disicussion that can't really be put into a sound bite, such as "all managers are similar in their effect." It's like me making numerous threads giving multiple reasons why we need a left footer and then you coming along and saying "joey thinks we should sign one legged players."

I know you're not trying to be annoying Joey but when I'm being positive about your argument , as I was in my initial post , it is necessary to condense it as it was only a small part of my overall point . You're being unrealistically and rather stupidly pedantic .

And now I'm here , one of the glaring flaws in your argument ( I call it ' your argument' because I don't propose to put in all 2 pages of it to placate you)....IS that as a broadsheet journo put it so succinctly recently...

...' The first job of a manager ( and don't you freaking dare to get finicky about coach/manager definitions) is to MOTIVATE the players '

You have been opining how simple the business of managing/coaching a team is...Wrong . To motivate millionaires who never need work again to go out and risk injury is anything but simple . You are very interesting and good on the practical issues of tactics, systems formations etc but forget that it all means absolutely fuck all if the players have the wrong attitude . Each player will have different cues required to motivate him .

Its the opposite of simple .

 

[WhiteHart4Ever]

Robinson 5 - below average

Zokora 8 - Was great today out of position
Dawson 5 - was ok apart from the letting olof go
Kaboul 6 - fairly solid
Lee 6 - didnt do anything wrong

Boateng 5 - Not great today
Jenas 7 - Looked exhausted trying to make up for lack of effort from others
Lennon 6 - Protected zoko well
Malbranque 5 - Our most consistent player had an off day

Berbatov 5 - Isolated
Defoe 5 - Isloated but worked farily hard .

SUBS
Huddlestone 6 -
Keane 6 -
O'Hara 5 - Should not have been put in that position for the corner

Thats more like it. Zoko was decent at RB and great at CB, and deserves credit. Kaboul look far better than Daws at CB last night.

Jenas and Hudd the best performers in a poor midfield.

However, think Berba had a better game than 5. Defoe was isolated, but scored a wonderful goal.

Had we won - which we could have - these ratings would be very different I think. Poor first half but credit for the way we came at them in the second. Deserved a point, really.

 

[mkkid]

I thought Jenas had been subbed while i had left the room to get a drink, cos i didn't hear his name, or see him, for about 25 minutes after i returned!:shrug:

That could have been any game ,except Derby,Wigan,any team with a bit of grit he disappears.
Serriously though,I was at the game and i thought he was subbed at half time,only noticed him in the second half near the end and he was playing down the side i was sitting.

 

[phil]

Sure he lost Laursen but who was the idiot who decided that one of our shortest players would be matched up with a tall central defender? There is no way that O'Hara will ever win an aerial duel with Laursen.

 

[phil]

Robinson made mistakes, but how many more goals would we have conceded if he hadn't have come for the a lot of those crosses that he 'flapped' for? Probably more than we did, because most of them were taken off the heads of completely free players. I would come for crosses all the time too if my defence weren't capable of getting the ball out themselves.

CC, you obviously have not been exposed to 'good' goalkeepers. The rules of goalkeeping are pretty simple - if at all possible then catch the ball; if you feel that you cannot catch the ball then get maximum distance on a punch. Before even my time, we had a keeper called 'Titch' Freeman who holds the record for punching the ball 76 yards. Robinson's efforts are nearer 76 inches. Defenders also need to have confidence in the keeper. They want a keeper who controls the goal area. Defenders hate having to clear crosses when running towards their own goal. As I've stated before, Robinson has been at fault for more goals this season that Bill Brown or Pat Jennings were in their entire Tottenham careers. Of all the 'regular' Spurs keepers I've watched over the years (Ditchburn, Brown, Jennings, Clemence, Thorsvedt, Keller) Robinson and Walker are the worst. At present, I'd place Robinson behind Walker. Many of the reserve keepers of yesteryear (Reynolds, Hollowbread) were far better than Robinson. He is a liability.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I know you're not trying to be annoying Joey but when I'm being positive about your argument , as I was in my initial post , it is necessary to condense it as it was only a small part of my overall point . You're being unrealistically and rather stupidly pedantic .

And now I'm here , one of the glaring flaws in your argument ( I call it ' your argument' because I don't propose to put in all 2 pages of it to placate you)....IS that as a broadsheet journo put it so succinctly recently...

...' The first job of a manager ( and don't you freaking dare to get finicky about coach/manager definitions) is to MOTIVATE the players '

You have been opining how simple the business of managing/coaching a team is...Wrong . To motivate millionaires who never need work again to go out and risk injury is anything but simple . You are very interesting and good on the practical issues of tactics, systems formations etc but forget that it all means absolutely fuck all if the players have the wrong attitude . Each player will have different cues required to motivate him .

Its the opposite of simple .

Good post. And one of the things that could definately be levelled at Jol at times. (not always).

 

[Legend10]

Late in responding to this. But I was wondering why my assessment of Hudds had been so much lower than everyone else's. And while I did watch the game, the first time I allowed myself to confuse Jenas with Hudds on occassion. I picked up on this quickly upon a second viewing

Some of this was Jenas occupying the space where Huddlestone usually plays. Some was not focusing on any one player. And the other is that they don't look that dissimilar (despite Hudds build) from the view of an average size television.

So yes, Huddlestone was quite good. And almost every errant or backpass that I had attributed to Huddlestone was indeed Jenas.

I am kind of glad I was wrong about him.

Jenas sucked eggs.

Pretty weird,

Considering JJ spent just about the entire 2nd half on the right hand touchline covering RB & RM and rarely strayed from this area as he was the only player we had out there.

Not quite sure how JJ was therefore occupying the space that the Hudd usually plays?