Mauricio Pochettino: Spurs want Premier League, not domestic cups

[EQP]

Won't it be on the Wednesday?

Would be nice if they can move it to Wednesday instead. The EFL website
https://www.efl.com/clubs-and-competitions/carabao-cup/fixtures-and-results/fixtures/ has us penciled in for the Tuesday, October 24th date. I still expect Poch to play a mixture of youth and subs from the previous game.

 

[St José Dominguez]

Much more important to secure CL football than to win domestic cups, I don't understand why it's such a hard concept to grasp. It's not just the money, it's to attract new players and to keep the ones we've got too. Players would choose playing in the CL over domestic cup win all day long.

It's not a choice. Yearly teams win domestic cups and qualify for the champions league. Yes CL is important financially and I want to see us performing against the best but at the same time it's been ten years since I've seen us win anything. In my lifetime I've seen us win 3 cups, one of which I can only just about remember. For a so called big club it's pretty pathetic.

I want finals and to see us lifting trophies as well as challenging for titles or qualifying for CL. Surely every fan would love to see us win a cup final or have we become so obsessed with keeping players and CL that we no longer care. On that, CL does not attract players or keep players, wages do.

 

[DaleMurphy]

CL def helps keeping and attracting players what are u talking about we have several players who easily could've left for better the wages over the past 2 years

 

[riggi]

Domestic cup > cl qualification

One season of that situation would be fine imo. Levy/porch can argue the Wembley effect to new players and we get to actually win something.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Domestic cup > cl qualification

One season of that situation would be fine imo. Levy/porch can argue the Wembley effect to new players and we get to actually win something.

I'd love us to have CL football in our first season in the new stadium, especially as we're gaining valuable experience in the comp each year. Can just imagine the atmosphere at the new Lane on those European nights! Domestic cups aren't created equal either. Wouldn't trade the LC for CL qualification, but winning an FA Cup after so long would be sweet! That would definitely soften the blow of not getting top 4 for me.

 

[guiltyparty]

It's not a choice. Yearly teams win domestic cups and qualify for the champions league. Yes CL is important financially and I want to see us performing against the best but at the same time it's been ten years since I've seen us win anything. In my lifetime I've seen us win 3 cups, one of which I can only just about remember. For a so called big club it's pretty pathetic.

I want finals and to see us lifting trophies as well as challenging for titles or qualifying for CL. Surely every fan would love to see us win a cup final or have we become so obsessed with keeping players and CL that we no longer care. On that, CL does not attract players or keep players, wages do.

For a club with such FA Cup history, that we haven't got to a final in 27 years is starting to weigh heavy, sure.

However we have got to three FA semis since 2010 (more than Utd and Liverpool, same as Man City & Arsenal, only bettered by Chelsea with 4) - we only got to one in the whole of the noughties.

We have also made 4 league cup finals since 2000 (more than Arsenal and City, equal to Chelsea, only beaten by Utd and Liverpool with 5), double the previous 20 years, so marked improvement.

The idea that we're throwing them isn't played out as we're getting to the latter stages more often than we ever have. We generally have a decent cup run every other year, which is more than most clubs. I think it's fan PR for the fact we're not winning them.

 

[spursfan77]

What the actual fuck? The league cup game is two days after a premier league game? That's bloody ridiculous. I thought it was normally longer, but maybe that's normal and I've not been paying attention.

The Liverpool game was moved from the Saturday for tv too. Common sense would have them moving the game back but that's not going to happen now as I guess it's too late.

 

[tiger666]

Surely every fan would love to see us win a cup final or have we become so obsessed with keeping players and CL that we no longer care. On that, CL does not attract players or keep players, wages do.

Being a regular in the CL allows you to pay better wages.

 

[ohtottenham!]

For a club with such FA Cup history, that we haven't got to a final in 27 years is starting to weigh heavy, sure.

However we have got to three FA semis since 2010 (more than Utd and Liverpool, same as Man City & Arsenal, only bettered by Chelsea with 4) - we only got to one in the whole of the noughties.

We have also made 4 league cup finals since 2000 (more than Arsenal and City, equal to Chelsea, only beaten by Utd and Liverpool with 5), double the previous 20 years, so marked improvement.

The idea that we're throwing them isn't played out as we're getting to the latter stages more often than we ever have. We generally have a decent cup run every other year, which is more than most clubs. I think it's fan PR for the fact we're not winning them.

Nice post, and great perspective. I hadn't realized our progression in that regard till you laid it out. Great thing is, we're a proper football club, unaided by financial steroids. Whatever we've had, we've earned, not bought, like the top 4 place we've earned the last couple of years. Hope we win a cup in the next couple of years, especially for the younger fans.

 

[guiltyparty]

Nice post, and great perspective. I hadn't realized our progression in that regard till you laid it out. Great thing is, we're a proper football club, unaided by financial steroids. Whatever we've had, we've earned, not bought, like the top 4 place we've earned the last couple of years. Hope we win a cup in the next couple of years, especially for the younger fans.

Yeah. There are only three domestic things to win every season, after all. And bar the freak wins, where a lower level side puts together a good run then throws eveything at it, it's always the same big clubs there and thereabouts, and there have been five bigger clubs with bigger squads and more experience of winning.

Our cup history is from a bygone era when football worked differently, and when we were one of the richest clubs, but it has to be our year sometime surely though. We're going further more regularly than we have in decades. Whether it's this season, where every game is a cup final for the other team at Wembley, who knows.

 

[danielneeds]

Domestic cup > cl qualification

One season of that situation would be fine imo. Levy/porch can argue the Wembley effect to new players and we get to actually win something.

Maybe for the fans, "big day out" etc, etc, but it would a disaster for Poch. You saw the bitching and rumblings this summer, no CL would open the floodgates.

 

[tototoner]

Pochettino being very diplomatic compared to what Guardiola and Mourinho have said about the League Cup

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41366144

 

[guiltyparty]

Pochettino being very diplomatic compared to what Guardiola and Mourinho have said about the League Cup

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41366144

Yet Poch was attacked for his comments as he's not won anything whereas press seem to be saying Jose and Pep have a point. Worth reminding that Pep's won nothing in England yet

 

[shelfboy68]

Yet Poch was attacked for his comments as he's not won anything whereas press seem to be saying Jose and Pep have a point. Worth reminding that Pep's won nothing in England yet

Maybe they should throw the competition out to everyone outside the top six in the EPL.plus every other league that way will get a decent chance of winning something.

 

[E8spur]

Think Poch must have known about tonight's league cup draw in advance... West Ham at home on 24 October.

To give you an idea how that fits in...

Tuesday 17th October
UEFA Champions League
Real Madrid19:45 Tottenham Hotspur

Sunday 22nd October
Premier League
Tottenham Hotspur16:00 Liverpool

Tuesday 24th October
Carabao Cup
Tottenham Hotspur19:45 West Ham United

Saturday 28th October
Premier League
Manchester United12:30 Tottenham Hotspur

Wednesday 1st November
UEFA Champions League
Tottenham Hotspur19:45 Real Madrid

I think we can expect a weakened team selection from Poch in the cup game against West Ham - and to be honest, I don't think we can blame him...

The West Ham cup game is now confirmed to have been moved to the Wednesday, 25 October - so now three days after Liverpool away.

 

[EQP]

The West Ham cup game is now confirmed to have been moved to the Wednesday, 25 October - so now three days after Liverpool away.

Excellent! I can still see Poch using a very altered team for that game.

 

[etchedchaos]

The thing is that if we finished say 6th and managed to win the League Cup or FA Cup, the players we want to keep would be far less swayed than if we tanked both those cups and finished 3rd. League title challenges and CL football is far more important to top players than winning a lesser cup or 2.

Ideally we should be fighting for the title and focusing on CL football and maybe if things go well in FA/League Cup we can then focus on that if we reach the semis. There's no point in placing all your eggs in the FA/League Cup basket at this stage of the season, we've far bigger fish to fry currently.

 

[Hazardousman]

Pochettino being very diplomatic compared to what Guardiola and Mourinho have said about the League Cup

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41366144

Makes me laugh how Pep and Mourinho seem to think that because it is such a "drain" on their clubs that the cup should just be removed, arrogant pricks.

There are plenty of clubs in this league that would love to win that cup, they seem to think that only the clubs who spend huge amounts of money matter, everything that is wrong with modern football.

Absolute idiots, this is why I like Poch, sure, he wants to prioritize the league and CL but I haven't once heard him say this cup should be removed or making excuses.