The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[DJS]

So Real are now going for a package deal of Poch, Toby, Christian, Dele, Harry and the tea lady?! I can't keep up...

Not the tea lady!!!! ???

 

[easley91]

I think people forget that Toby has a say in who he wants to talk to when the release clause is met. If it was Arsenal, I doubt very much that he'd go. Have you seen his passion during the NLD? No matter what has gone on behind the scenes, he is a professional and you can tell from how he is on the pitch that he cares about Spurs. I actually don't think he'll go to anyone in the Prem if he does leave.

And who knows, if we were to win the league, he can still say no to the contract offers and instead decide to stay in the end when the release clause is met, right? or am I wrong in thinking that?

 

[Primativ]

I think there’s a good chance he goes to Inited next summer. However it also depends on what happens with Poch. If we keep Poch I can see a United going for Toby but then that depends what their new manager wants.

If Poch was to leave for United, Levy would include a clause preventing United from poaching Spurs players for at least two years. That is without a shadow of a doubt. So that would rule out Toby going to United.

Maybe the big Spanish two or PSG may go in for him too. I just feel the most likely is United. They need CBs and Poch will stay at Spurs.

 

[Shadydan]

I don't even know why we're talking about selling him next month, not only does it distsabilse the team, it makes us weaker going into the 2nd half of the season and we're fighting for titles, it completely sends out the wrong message to the fans and the players.

He has literally been our best player so far this season ffs.

It's absolutely absurd, some of you need your heads checked!

 

[longtimespur]

WHY would we sell him in January at all.
If we get £50mill for him it's still only £25mill more than in the summer and him being here and fit is worth a heck of a lot more than that. Yes he may go to a competitor in the PL in the summer but he may also like to stay if we win a trophy or maybe 2

 

[Blackrat1299]

I have just been bollocked by the teacher for failing to expand on my statement so here goes.

1. https://www.teamtalk.com/news/pochettino-wants-anfield-party-atmosphere-at-tottenhams-new-home
2. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...d-party-at-new-home-by-mauricio-a4026396.html

 

[Saoirse]

WHY would we sell him in January at all.
If we get £50mill for him it's still only £25mill more than in the summer and him being here and fit is worth a heck of a lot more than that. Yes he may go to a competitor in the PL in the summer but he may also like to stay if we win a trophy or maybe 2

If we were linked with a player, no matter how good, on loan for four months with a fee of £25m, everybody would go ballastic. The only difference here is that Toby's already a settled part of the squad, but I don't think that's significant enough to justify such a huge amount of money. (Another way of looking at it - it'd be a half-season 'contract extention', but his wages in that time are effectively £1m per week, five times what we pay Kane).

 

[Primativ]

I don't even know why we're talking about selling him next month, not only does it distsabilse the team, it makes us weaker going into the 2nd half of the season and we're fighting for titles, it completely sends out the wrong message to the fans and the players.

He has literally been our best player so far this season ffs.

It's absolutely absurd, some of you need your heads checked!

Completely agree. Literally some on here are bloody clueless. There isn’t a single reason why we should sell Toby in the window. Absolute madness. We are going for the title ffs and people want to sell our best CB if we get a high offer financially. They need to give their heads a wobble.

 

[Primativ]

If we were linked with a player, no matter how good, on loan for four months with a fee of £25m, everybody would go ballastic. The only difference here is that Toby's already a settled part of the squad, but I don't think that's significant enough to justify such a huge amount of money. (Another way of looking at it - it'd be a half-season 'contract extention', but his wages in that time are effectively £1m per week, five times what we pay Kane).

absolutely ridiculous logic and a bizzare way of looking at the situation. Have you forgotten we are a football club currently trying to win titles and Toby is our best CB?

 

[TorontoYid]

absolutely ridiculous logic and a bizzare way of looking at the situation. Have you forgotten we are a football club currently trying to win titles and Toby is our best CB?

And because he is our best CB he deserves 5 times what our best forward and best player overall earns? Paying him that would unsettle the rest of the squad as they would also be demanding big pay increases.

 

[Saoirse]

absolutely ridiculous logic and a bizzare way of looking at the situation. Have you forgotten we are a football club currently trying to win titles and Toby is our best CB?

Of course not. But is an extra 25 games of Toby really more likely to help us win titles than a new squad member on a long-term contract? It's short-term vs long-term. And we've only reached the position we're in by thinking long-term at every junction.

 

[sly1]

If we were linked with a player, no matter how good, on loan for four months with a fee of £25m, everybody would go ballastic. The only difference here is that Toby's already a settled part of the squad, but I don't think that's significant enough to justify such a huge amount of money. (Another way of looking at it - it'd be a half-season 'contract extention', but his wages in that time are effectively £1m per week, five times what we pay Kane).

By the same logic, why would a team buy him for £50m now if they could have him for £25m in the summer?

 

[thebenjamin]

By the same logic, why would a team buy him for £50m now if they could have him for £25m in the summer?

They wouldn't

We didn't get any bids for him last summer for this exact reason

 

[longtimespur]

If we were linked with a player, no matter how good, on loan for four months with a fee of £25m, everybody would go ballastic. The only difference here is that Toby's already a settled part of the squad, but I don't think that's significant enough to justify such a huge amount of money. (Another way of looking at it - it'd be a half-season 'contract extention', but his wages in that time are effectively £1m per week, five times what we pay Kane).

Sorry don't understand what you mean. Yes we MAY lose out on £25mill by keeping him till the summer but if he went and we got nobody to replace (being the operative word) his position in the squad do you not think it could cost us a lot more? We are atm in 3 competitions at advanced stages and another just about to start. OK PL may only be halfway through but still.
According to lots on here he has been our best defender since his return from injury......so...…. if he left in January do you think we would still be at the same level as we are now?

 

[Gb160]

I have just been bollocked by the teacher for failing to expand on my statement so here goes.

1. https://www.teamtalk.com/news/pochettino-wants-anfield-party-atmosphere-at-tottenhams-new-home
2. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...d-party-at-new-home-by-mauricio-a4026396.html

These articles aren't even close to 'Mauricio Pochettino wants Tottenham fans to be more like Liverpool' that you posted lol.

 

[dtxspurs]

Remember ITK said he currently didn't have any suitors anyways. I think there just isn't a huge market for older CBs. Everyone wants the up an comers: De Ligt, Lenglet, Pavard, Umtiti, Sule, Bailly, Marquinhos, Laporte, Stones, Lindelof. Those are the CBs who the big teams have been targeting lately.

Maybe the release clause makes things different but I don't see any evidence that there has been tons of interest in Toby or that there will be. Simply because of his age.

 

[Primativ]

Of course not. But is an extra 25 games of Toby really more likely to help us win titles than a new squad member on a long-term contract? It's short-term vs long-term. And we've only reached the position we're in by thinking long-term at every junction.

Errr yes of course keeping Toby is better than gambling on a replacement mid season. Are you crazy? You’re also making huge assumptions that

1. We could replace Toby with a CB of equal ability without spending about 70 million.
2. That new signing on a long term contract settles into our back four instantly and becomes a rock at CB with no bedding period so that it doesn’t affect performance of the side negatively so not to jeaporidise our seasonal goals in 2019.
3. This mystical signing is even available in January.


Basically it’s fantasy. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. We have a proven top quality CB settled in the side and delivering. To sell him in January would be moronic whichever way you try to dress it up.

 

[Primativ]

And because he is our best CB he deserves 5 times what our best forward and best player overall earns? Paying him that would unsettle the rest of the squad as they would also be demanding big pay increases.

Where have I advocated paying Toby 5 times what Kane is on? I have no idea where you’re talking about.

 

[Saoirse]

By the same logic, why would a team buy him for £50m now if they could have him for £25m in the summer?

The logic is pretty different. As a buying club, the attraction of these early deals is that you can get in before anybody else. If you wait till summer, Toby probably has offers from 4-5 different teams, and can use that to drive up his wage demands. Right now none of those are guarenteed, the team willing to buy him now is the safe option, plus he can start a contract with them immediately and earn an extra ~100k per week for the next six months, which is equivalent to an extra £16.5k per week over a three-year deal, so he has a decent incentive to sign for them whereas he may choose to go elsewhere in the summer. Depending on who the buying club is, it might also be able to offer him a better chance of trophies this season, again incentivising an early move, and/or have near-infinite money which means the extra £25m transfer fee for the chance of trophies is a better option for them.

 

[Saoirse]

Errr yes of course keeping Toby is better than gambling on a replacement mid season. Are you crazy? You’re also making huge assumptions that

1. We could replace Toby with a CB of equal ability without spending about 70 million.
2. That new signing on a long term contract settles into our back four instantly and becomes a rock at CB with no bedding period so that it doesn’t affect performance of the side negatively so not to jeaporidise our seasonal goals in 2019.
3. This mystical signing is even available in January.


Basically it’s fantasy. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. We have a proven top quality CB settled in the side and delivering. To sell him in January would be moronic whichever way you try to dress it up.

I'm not. It's just that if we don't do it now, we have to do that in the summer anyway, unless Toby is willing to agree a new deal. You're not avoiding those problems, you're investing a lot of money to delay them for half a season.