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easley91

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He reminds me of a Chef who's been presented with a huge pile of ingredients and has no idea whether he should be making a Sunday roast or a Black Forest Gateau. He's been told to use all of the ingredients in one course and it has to be delicious.
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PCozzie

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Questions about Poch's ability to man-manage and this is symptomatic of that. You've got a young player who's low on confidence - not being able to hit the proverbial barn door - and here's the manager burying him on the training pitch in a pointless 20-year-old Soccer Saturday challenge - before quoting to the press about how it happened.

He hasn't learned from the whole book debacle has he?

(I still love the bloke for those few years and the Champions League final, but...)

 

Moonie

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Questions about Poch's ability to man-manage and this is symptomatic of that. You've got a young player who's low on confidence - not being able to hit the proverbial barn door - and here's the manager burying him on the training pitch in a pointless 20-year-old Soccer Saturday challenge - before quoting to the press about how it happened.

He hasn't learned from the whole book debacle has he?

(I still love the bloke for those few years and the Champions League final, but...)


Am I the only one reading Pochs quote in the voice of yoda?!
 

mano-obe

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I don't hate Poch, never will. I feel very indifferent about him.

With our shitty turgid football for so long and now loving to be a fan again with liquid football, he isnt even on my radar. I simply don't care.

I'm hoping he stays and doesn't ruin his reputation, but hoping he just keeps them always at arms length and basically do fuck all for years
 

Tucker

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Questions about Poch's ability to man-manage and this is symptomatic of that. You've got a young player who's low on confidence - not being able to hit the proverbial barn door - and here's the manager burying him on the training pitch in a pointless 20-year-old Soccer Saturday challenge - before quoting to the press about how it happened.

He hasn't learned from the whole book debacle has he?

(I still love the bloke for those few years and the Champions League final, but...)


Now I have visions of Poch being like this with the Chelsea players.

 

McFlash

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Questions about Poch's ability to man-manage and this is symptomatic of that. You've got a young player who's low on confidence - not being able to hit the proverbial barn door - and here's the manager burying him on the training pitch in a pointless 20-year-old Soccer Saturday challenge - before quoting to the press about how it happened.

He hasn't learned from the whole book debacle has he?

(I still love the bloke for those few years and the Champions League final, but...)


Didn't Hoddle suffer from a similar thing?
Expecting his players to be able to do what he could, then their relationships all breaking down.
Showing your players up on the training ground isn't a great way to build them up, or build relationships.
 
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PCozzie

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Didn't Hoddle suffer from a similar thing?
Expecting his players to be able to do what he could, the their relationships all breaking down.
Showing your players up on the training ground isn't a great way to build them up, or build relationships.
Yes, I was going to mention that but couldn't find anything online (in the two and a half minutes I gave it) to back it up but I was sure I'd heard it said that he was basically using training sessions to showcase his own skills, asking the players to do things outside their ability then showing them up with a quick demonstration.

In any case, it sounds such a basic way of trying to lift someone's confidence. Just has 'Competitive Dad' vibes all over it.
 

ComfortablyNumb

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Yes, I was going to mention that but couldn't find anything online (in the two and a half minutes I gave it) to back it up but I was sure I'd heard it said that he was basically using training sessions to showcase his own skills, asking the players to do things outside their ability then showing them up with a quick demonstration.

In any case, it sounds such a basic way of trying to lift someone's confidence. Just has 'Competitive Dad' vibes all over it.
The idea that Poch has skill levels anywhere near Hoddle's is risible. But I suspect that neither of them were naturally gifted man managers. Poch was certainly a crap coach, and he's been found out everywhere he went since he left us.
 

PCozzie

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The idea that Poch has skill levels anywhere near Hoddle's is risible. But I suspect that neither of them were naturally gifted man managers. Poch was certainly a crap coach, and he's been found out everywhere he went since he left us.
Yes quite, I didn't mean to equate Poch and Hoddle's footballing skills - it's more that the manager is putting himself at the centre, belittling the player, and then in Poch's case telling the press about it.

There was another quote tonight about the CC match. Poch was asked whether Madueke was injured as he wasn't in the squad, and Poch just said "No, not injured, just wasn't selected". Implying that he's not getting in the team - even for the league cup. You protect the player in public, and if you think he needs a rocket do that in private.
 

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Poch is like an ex flatmate, had some bloody great fun together but ultimately he annoyed you a bit and you’re glad you don’t live together anymore 😂
 

Wearegoingtowintheleague

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The idea that Poch has skill levels anywhere near Hoddle's is risible. But I suspect that neither of them were naturally gifted man managers. Poch was certainly a crap coach, and he's been found out everywhere he went since he left us.
A crap coach?

Now that's just nonsense.

I agree on him not having anywhere near the skill levels of Hoddle though, not many did.
 

glacierSpurs

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Yes quite, I didn't mean to equate Poch and Hoddle's footballing skills - it's more that the manager is putting himself at the centre, belittling the player, and then in Poch's case telling the press about it.

There was another quote tonight about the CC match. Poch was asked whether Madueke was injured as he wasn't in the squad, and Poch just said "No, not injured, just wasn't selected". Implying that he's not getting in the team - even for the league cup. You protect the player in public, and if you think he needs a rocket do that in private.
Am I the only one getting the feeling that he tends to reply in such a way to show he's the boss and some supreme, egoistic coach that was like 'look, I'm the manager of a rich, winning Chelsea FC, I made choices nobody can question because they are always the right ones'. Then it always turned out biting him back making him look silly, in between mixing with some weird analogies and scenarios to pad on his 'rich' experiences.
 

RuskyM

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Yes, I was going to mention that but couldn't find anything online (in the two and a half minutes I gave it) to back it up but I was sure I'd heard it said that he was basically using training sessions to showcase his own skills, asking the players to do things outside their ability then showing them up with a quick demonstration.


Also the story of him showing a complicated free kick routine and suggesting the player might not be good enough to do it...the player in question being a young David Beckham.
 

aliyid

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He’ll just blame it on green lemons
There's a part of me that loves the Lemon story. Can just picture him sitting there scratching his head at all the abuse he's receiving thinking "that lemon story went down a storm when I said it at Spurs, why are they all laughing at me"
 

ghjk_91

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Also the story of him showing a complicated free kick routine and suggesting the player might not be good enough to do it...the player in question being a young David Beckham.

I remember hearing about a story with Hoddle in England training when he was manager, I think from Paul Ince. Players used to get annoyed at Hoddle being so much better than them, that during ball control drills they'd try and smash it as hard as they could at him from close range and he'd instantly control it perfectly!
 

yido_number1

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Also the story of him showing a complicated free kick routine and suggesting the player might not be good enough to do it...the player in question being a young David Beckham.

Wasn't Swindon hoddles first job? You can forgive him that and put it down to learning the role.

Honestly don't see anything wrong with pochs man management. His book was miss judged but he was genuinely liked.

Chelsea was always going to be a cluster fuck.
 

Mate

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When De Zerbi inevitably moves on from Brighton, I think that job would be a great fit for Poch. I certainly don't buy into the theory that he's suddenly a crap manager following stints at two circus clubs.
 

Metalhead

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Also the story of him showing a complicated free kick routine and suggesting the player might not be good enough to do it...the player in question being a young David Beckham.

How basic does that training setup look. How times have changed.
 

thelak

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When De Zerbi inevitably moves on from Brighton, I think that job would be a great fit for Poch. I certainly don't buy into the theory that he's suddenly a crap manager following stints at two circus clubs.
I think Brighton will go for the next up and coming manager rather than someone like Poch now. Unfortunately for him football is moving on

he’s spent too many years now either not working or picking the wrong projects to be relevant or even seen as a safe bet for a progressive club like Brighton

Also as good as his work was at Spurs he only really had 3 really good years and never showed he was able to regenerate a team or deal with player losses - a lot down to the board to be fair but regardless that’s a fact of life at Brighton

His work at Southampton was good too but we’re now having to go back 10 years +
 
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