Maxence Lacroix

[Amo]

Because it’s their job. Enforcing rules is the single thing officials have to do.

Why should the burden fall on clubs for officials being lapse enough not to enforce their rules? It’s really weird and inconsistent. We don’t award penalties and alter score lines retrospectively - after the match - because the officials considered it the players’ responsibility to know that fouling in the box is a penalty.

Yes, after the foul is committed. They don't gently remind defenders not to foul an incoming striker just before they concede the pen. The officials are there to enforce rules against those who have broken rules. Their job isn't to prevent illegal moves from taking place at all.

But your example just demonstrates why you can't compare those two things.

 

[ProfCalculus]

Yes, after the foul is committed. They don't gently remind defenders not to foul an incoming striker just before they concede the pen. The officials are there to enforce rules against those who have broken rules. Their job isn't to prevent illegal moves from taking place at all.

But your example just demonstrates why you can't compare those two things.

At first I thought that was a valid interpretation but thinking about it, I don’t believe it is. Edit: I do take your point I just disagree. You’re demonstrating why officials should have stopped the illegal substitution from taking place at the time. The act that’s comparable to the foul isn’t the substitution taking place it’s the attempt to make the substitution. They don’t prevent it, you’re right. They act after it has occurred - so in this case by saying, no you can’t do that. It’s taking place off the pitch and there are god knows how many officials involved that could take care of it.

It is comparable, it’s just not identical. On the pitch there is no option to stop a foul Etc Etc just to punish it. Off the pitch the manager has no volition, he can only do what the officials allow him. I think that’s the key difference. And they’re allowing him to break their rules, in a way that results in the entire match being void, rather than altering its landscape slightly, when they needn’t.

i find it weird anyway. I don’t think there’s an absolute right or wrong but weird for me. It is idiotic on the coach’s part though.

 

[guy]

So Lacroix, good player eh?

 

[AssaTM]

So Lacroix, good player eh?

I suppose he's alright ?‍

 

[easley91]

So Lacroix, good player eh?

But is he good at Lacrosse?

 

[Timberwolf]

This guy looks like the absolute perfect foil for Romero - the cool, calm head with great passing range to complement Romero's aggressive, assertive, physical style.

Argh - I don't want to get my hopes up.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I'd guess that different competitions having different sub rules for extra time caused the confusion. Still pretty schoolboy though to not be clued up before hand.

Schoolboy error, but it seems the fourth official (who is responsible for officiating substitutions) was no more clued up than the coaching staff. Punishing Wolfsberg for an error that an official shares equal blame in makes little sense to me.

 

[Trix]

Schoolboy error, but it seems the fourth official (who is responsible for officiating substitutions) was no more clued up than the coaching staff. Punishing Wolfsberg for an error that an official shares equal blame in makes little sense to me.

I suppose, doesn't change the fact they gained an advantage in the game though. you are right though that the official wants sending back to junior football.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I suppose, doesn't change the fact they gained an advantage in the game though. you are right though that the official wants sending back to junior football.

Has a team ever been thrown out of a competition when a ref stupidly booked a player twice without sending them off? I seem to recall someone not even being suspended retrospectively on one occasion, while their team progressed unscathed.

 

[Trix]

Has a team ever been thrown out of a competition when a ref stupidly booked a player twice without sending them off? I seem to recall someone not even being suspended retrospectively on one occasion, while their team progressed unscathed.

I don't know but I don't see this as any different to fielding an illegible player and plenty of clubs have been thrown out of competitions for basically clerical mix ups. The double yellow thing is all on the ref, this isn't.

 

[easley91]

I don't know but I don't see this as any different to fielding an illegible player and plenty of clubs have been thrown out of competitions for basically clerical mix ups. The double yellow thing is all on the ref, this isn't.

Wasn't there a ref in a World Cup that booked a player three times? Or maybe it was the two without sending off?

 

[Hakkz]

Wasn't there a ref in a World Cup that booked a player three times? Or maybe it was the two without sending off?

Graham Poll has been named as one of 14 referees who have been sent home from the World Cup.
The English referee has paid the price for his yellow-card blunder in the Australia versus Croatia game when he booked Josip Simunic three times.

2006. Ofc it was a British ref.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

But is he good at Lacrosse?

There's a separate "which of our players should be good at Lacrosse because of their names?" thread - can you make sure you're not spamming the wrong threads please.

FFS. Some people...

 

[hughy]

Wasn't there a ref in a World Cup that booked a player three times? Or maybe it was the two without sending off?

Yeah Graham Poll.

 

[easley91]

Graham Poll has been named as one of 14 referees who have been sent home from the World Cup.
The English referee has paid the price for his yellow-card blunder in the Australia versus Croatia game when he booked Josip Simunic three times.

2006. Ofc it was a British ref.

Yeah I thought Australia were involved. Shocking to be honest (or not since he was an EPL ref).

 

[HNIM]

I don't know but I don't see this as any different to fielding an illegible player and plenty of clubs have been thrown out of competitions for basically clerical mix ups. The double yellow thing is all on the ref, this isn't.

Can't fault them if no one could tell who he was.

 

[ProfCalculus]

Didn’t we or his club previous to us do something similar with Bentaleb? I think his club before us but my memory is withering trying to reach that far…

 

[worcestersauce]

Didn’t we or his club previous to us do something similar with Bentaleb? I think his club before us but my memory is withering trying to reach that far…

I think we brought on Bentaleb in a boy's game then took him off and forteited the game as we realised he was too old.
I have a vague recollection that later on it was said it was ok anyway but that may just be me.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I don't know but I don't see this as any different to fielding an illegible player and plenty of clubs have been thrown out of competitions for basically clerical mix ups. The double yellow thing is all on the ref, this isn't.

The similarity between this and the double yellow card error is that in both situations the officials have allowed an ineligible player to participate in the remainder of the game. The fourth official and first official both play a apart in facilitating (approving) a substitution. In other sports the officials would take the blame and the result would remain unchanged. After all, there is no way of knowing whether the result actually changed the result.
If a team is punished for accidentally making too many substitutions, maybe they should also be punished for not withdrawing their player from the field of play following a second yellow card.

On a side note, it is rather farcical that the eligibility checks on players at the start of a match seem to be far less stringent in professional football (a multi-billion pound industry with full-time paid officials and administrators) than in most amateur competitions that I've been involved in (run by unpaid volunteers). Player registrations, photo-ID, whether a player is cup-tied etc. are routine pre-match checks in other sports, but in football it seems this is predominantly done post-match...bizarre.

 

[Marty]

Yeah the fourth official is massively overworked as it is.

I know someone in refereeing here in Norway and he compares being a fourth official to being a teacher in kindergarten, only the kids swear at you a lot more.

Tough gig