Modric start turn into big flop

[double0]

We still have some time and money so we must get a DM in before the window shuts as we will not get the best out of modric without one.
I can no believe we have not got one in yet and this defeat might be what we needed because ramos can take not that jenas and modric can not play well in the center together.

Hold on a min. A DM would have done what exactly against Boro?

Look at the stats Modric and JJ were controlling the ball.

Whats needed is Ledley King back. If his not fit than we need someone better than Dawson.

 

[yidstar]

Hold on a min. A DM would have done what exactly against Boro?

Look at the stats Modric and JJ were controlling the ball.

Whats needed is Ledley King back. If his not fit than we need someone better than Dawson.

A DM would have concentrated in breaking up play rather than what jenas done which was feck all, and this would have helped in letting modric do what he does best, attack from the front of midfield.

 

[double0]

But we had Bentley, Lennon, Dos Santos, Bent plus Berba when he came on, all with the licence to attack from restricted positions...ie Bentely came in the middle, went right and left, Lennon and Gio did the same.

DM is an over rated position.

 

[Lemonhead]

I think that it really is fair to say Modric has had a debut to forget. He was supposed to be Spurs' playmaker, the chief creative outlet, man to watch, but instead was largely anonymous and had no influence on the game. Okay, so he has a decent touch, great balance - I agree. But the truth is it means nothing unless he improves team's overall performance.
Awful performance yes, Modric's "fault", no. I think that what really ruined our day was the tempo. We played so outrageously slow that in the end we were always forced to play long balls which ended up nowhere. You say we had 60% possession. Who cares if it was mainly on our half with centre-backs exchanging meaningless passes. Only after Berbatov came on we upped the tempo and it was him who threaded some sweet passes up front.
Anyway, back to Modric - I think that formation we played made it impossible for him to really impose himself. I was really surprised to see we went for 4-4-2 instead of 4-2-3-1. Playing as a central mid he just couldn't take any risks and was restricted to "Carrick duty". All this balance, touch, creativity wasted. I'm no football coach but if anyone is a flop after the Boro game it's Ramos. I thought that we've brought a top-notch specialist in JR, but now I'm very confused. Looking forward to Sunderland.

I think that it is fair to say Modric has had a debut to forget. He was supposed to be Spurs' playmaker, chief creative outlet, man to watch, but instead was largely anonymous and had no influence on the game. Okay, so he has a decent touch, great balance - I agree. But the truth is it means nothing unless he improves team's overall performance.

Awful performance yes, Modric's "fault", no. I think that what really ruined our day was the tempo. We played so outrageously slow that in the end we were always forced to play long balls which ended up nowhere. You say we had 60% possession - who cares? It was mainly on our half with centre-backs exchanging meaningless passes. Only after Berbatov came on we upped the tempo and it was him who threaded some sweet passes up front.

Anyway, back to Modric - I think that formation we played made it impossible for him to really impose himself. I was really surprised to see we went for 4-4-2 instead of 4-2-3-1. Playing as a central mid he just couldn't take any risks and was restricted to "Carrick duty". All this balance, touch, creativity wasted. I'm no football coach but if anyone is a flop after the Boro game it's Ramos. I thought that we've brought a top-notch specialist in JR, but now I'm very confused. Looking forward to Sunderland.

 

[joey55]

A DM would have concentrated in breaking up play rather than what jenas done which was feck all, and this would have helped in letting modric do what he does best, attack from the front of midfield.

Breaking up what though? They hardly had the ball in the middle of the park. They seemed to counter attack at pace down the flanks. I'm sure the odd attack came through the middle, but most of the dangerous moments came from them counter attacking in wide areas.

 

[DC_Boy]

Hold on a min. A DM would have done what exactly against Boro?

Look at the stats Modric and JJ were controlling the ball.

Whats needed is Ledley King back. If his not fit than we need someone better than Dawson.

Hi double0 - more sensible stuff from yourself and joey

 

[stemark44]

I thought Modric had a good game for his Premiership debut and other than the very poor performances from Ekotto and Dawson in defence,I think the team is progressing pretty well.Obviously there is room for improvement but playing away from home in the first game is really difficult.

 

[jamesc0le]

ok,many people are confused as was i, why did ramos pick that disjointed starting eleven. last season we were treated to some great tactics, good team shape, and were only slightly let down by the application of the palyers towards the end of the season. so this tactical shambles and slightly curious player selection came totally out of the blue. as far as i could see pre-season was not used for tactics or tempo or gelling, but just as a fitness warm up. that's fine.

so there can be only one explanation for ramos' team against boro. ( a very inexperienced boro side..)

Ramos must have sensed that Levy was liking the look of the squad, especially after Roma, and Ramos, knowing he needs at least 3 - 4 more key players to have a decent chance of competing this season, put out that team to show Levy the work is by no means finished and he should pay over teh odds if necesary to secure the last pieces of the jigsaw..

possible scenarios: Levy say, ok we don't need another defensive Mid, we have a few players now that can do that including Modric. So Ramos plays Modric deep. (he could instead have played modric high instead of lennon or gio and used ohara deep)
He plays Modric deep and says look, a good international deep lying busy playmaker Modric may be, but this is the Prem. (and that was Boro. a teeny tot boro side at that)

similarly with Ekotto maybe Levy - as many of us , thought he had started to look decent of late. so Ramos plays BAE ( he could have played bale gilberto gunter ohara the ball boy) and says look, yes his crosses are nice i like them too, but we need someone that can cross and be a solid fullback in Prem terms.

And so to Arshavin. Levy says to Ramos, are you sure we need this Arshavin guy, have you counted how many attacking mids you have now. Ramos says ok, and plays Lennon , and then Bentley, on the left. ''see boss, these guys aren't good enough, even with that BAE acting as a second wingnut, the russians are trying to con us, but maybe we need to take one for the team''


Finally, Ramos benches Berba. A small glimpse of the future with Bent upfront. Bent needs to feed off scraps. Either off a target man or off the attacking mids. It may take some time for the mids to understand how best to use bent most effectively, and we don't have time. ''Boss, a target man is the priority.''




and levy replies '' you said last week a CD is the priority ''


''it is!''

 

[Class1987]

you people make me sick. spurs to finish 4th! Tottenham 4 Sunderland 0

:stupid: :wink:

 

[danielneeds]

I have my doubts that Modric and Jenas will be the right blend in midfield. The two players abilities just don't seem to mesh for me. I hope I will be proved wrong...

 

[Spurs_Q8]

I'm afraid he would turn into big flop as you stated, but not because he was used as DM as you think, both of him and Jenas played in CM role and shared the defensive roles and organization job. Although it was mistake by Ramos using this system with wingers like Lennon and out of position Bentley on left, i think that's could work without problem for Modric if Bentley played on right and Bale on left to keep the balance as both of them used to be sided Mid. more than wingers like Bentley on left and Lennon on right in 4-5-1, the whole midfield failed to impress due to this and i hope Ramos won't do that again, specailly with physical teams and away from home.

only if he managed to get to top DM, with better back-line, he can use Bentley on left, Lennon on right if necessary without too much problems for back-line or leave an effect on Modric role. He and Jenas were lost .. it was clear because our performance was very poor.

 

[Class1987]

I thought Modric had a good game for his Premiership debut and other than the very poor performances from Ekotto and Dawson in defence,I think the team is progressing pretty well.Obviously there is room for improvement but playing away from home in the first game is really difficult.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[yiddotilidie]

Is it the school holidays by any chance?

 

[striebs]

ok,many people are confused as was i, why did ramos pick that disjointed starting eleven. last season we were treated to some great tactics, good team shape, and were only slightly let down by the application of the palyers towards the end of the season. so this tactical shambles and slightly curious player selection came totally out of the blue. as far as i could see pre-season was not used for tactics or tempo or gelling, but just as a fitness warm up. that's fine.

so there can be only one explanation for ramos' team against boro. ( a very inexperienced boro side..)

Ramos must have sensed that Levy was liking the look of the squad, especially after Roma, and Ramos, knowing he needs at least 3 - 4 more key players to have a decent chance of competing this season, put out that team to show Levy the work is by no means finished and he should pay over teh odds if necesary to secure the last pieces of the jigsaw..

possible scenarios: Levy say, ok we don't need another defensive Mid, we have a few players now that can do that including Modric. So Ramos plays Modric deep. (he could instead have played modric high instead of lennon or gio and used ohara deep)
He plays Modric deep and says look, a good international deep lying busy playmaker Modric may be, but this is the Prem. (and that was Boro. a teeny tot boro side at that)

similarly with Ekotto maybe Levy - as many of us , thought he had started to look decent of late. so Ramos plays BAE ( he could have played bale gilberto gunter ohara the ball boy) and says look, yes his crosses are nice i like them too, but we need someone that can cross and be a solid fullback in Prem terms.

And so to Arshavin. Levy says to Ramos, are you sure we need this Arshavin guy, have you counted how many attacking mids you have now. Ramos says ok, and plays Lennon , and then Bentley, on the left. ''see boss, these guys aren't good enough, even with that BAE acting as a second wingnut, the russians are trying to con us, but maybe we need to take one for the team''


Finally, Ramos benches Berba. A small glimpse of the future with Bent upfront. Bent needs to feed off scraps. Either off a target man or off the attacking mids. It may take some time for the mids to understand how best to use bent most effectively, and we don't have time. ''Boss, a target man is the priority.''




and levy replies '' you said last week a CD is the priority ''

''it is!''

This is an interesting hypothesis .

The only areas where there are definite improvements are goalkeeper and on the wing .
Clearly there is a LOT of unfinished business in the transfer market and it looks like it's been left far too late .

I expect Levy IS having difficulty stomaching the fact that a lot of the money shelled out over the last couple of seasons has been wasted .

Levy has to put finances second and show patience otherwise Ramos will conclude that he is wasting his time and we will be back to square 1 again , or worse .