Money v Fairness

[ealingspur]

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on Liverpool's proposal that we be able to negotiate individual foreign tv deals? How do you think it affects spurs and how do you think we should and indeed will vote?

 

[jimbo]

It seems to be an inevitability that clubs will be allowed to negotiate individual TV deals abroad. I don't think it's a good thing, I don't think we need more money in football.

 

[FITZ]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15269831.stm

Premier League clubs should be able to do their own television deals abroad, Liverpool's managing director has said.

Ian Ayre fears English sides will be left behind by their European rivals if overseas revenues continue to be shared equally between the league's 20 clubs.
Ayre said: "The other European clubs just don't follow that model. They will create much greater revenue to go and buy the best players."

The Premier League's foreign rights deal, worth £1.4bn, expires in 2013.

Under current rules, 14 teams would need to vote in favour of any new arrangements.

Ayre believes that Liverpool - along with Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal - deserve to receive an increased share.

In Spain, Barcelona and Real Madrid are able to negotiate their own deals, meaning that they are able to generate far more revenue than their smaller La Liga rivals.
And Ayre warns of the long-term consequences: "If we carry on sharing that international revenue equally, you are disadvantaging us."

He told BBC Radio Merseyside: "It is a debate that needs to be had on a more collaborative basis between the clubs of the Premier League.

"I am certain that if you are a Liverpool fan living in Liverpool, you subscribe to Sky because you support Liverpool, and if you are a Blackburn fan you subscribe to watch Blackburn.

"So it's probably right and proper that the money in this country is shared the way that it is.

"But if you go further afield then it is a myth that the Premier League is huge.
"It is popular but the clubs that are really popular are the cubs like Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal.

"We saw that in Malaysia in the summer. We were 5,000 miles from home and we had 80,000 fans watching us play and 40,000 turning up to watch a training session."
And he said that if foreign revenues continue to be shared equally, the bigger clubs in countries like Spain will leave English clubs behind.

They will create much greater revenue to go and buy the best players.
"While we must be careful to maintain the integrity of the Premier League we have to maintain our position in Europe as well."

Last month Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson called for more revenue from the overseas broadcasting deal, but he was in favour of the status quo in terms of how the money is split.

Ferguson told BBC Sport: "We are being shown in 212 countries at the moment so whatever we are being paid, it is not enough.

"There is a negotiation to be had there next time around. [Individual rights] is the big issue in Spain at the moment but I've no great feelings about that.

"We'd love to have our own but I don't think it should happen that way. It's quite fair to have all equal shares."

 

[Chinaspur]

Shows exactly how classless Scousers are when they are being shown up by Fergie...

 

[Locotoro]

The irony of this is that the other clubs in La Liga are putting forward proposals to renegotiate the TV rights so they are more like the way we do it here. The stumbling block for the smaller sides has always been convincing Atletico Madrid, Sevilla and Valencia to agree as they get a much higher percentage than those below them but disproportionately less than Barca and Real Madrid.

 

[sherbornespurs]

If they're as big in Thailand as they think they are then perhaps they should up sticks and move there, you never know - they might actually win that league title they seem so desperate for.

 

[theShiznit]

This is what's killing the game in Spain.

Half the Spanish teams get less than teams in the Championship get for TV money.

loads of clubs cannot afford to even pay their wages, and they have a strange system where they apply for like a pre-administration, which lets the Spanish FA know they are in trouble and they can effectively carry on in that state with no punishment, indefinitely. And some clubs have justified it for not paying players.

That was the reason for the strike, because players weren't getting paid.

Barca & Madrid get so much more than anyone in TV rights that there is no real competiton there.

 

[StartingPrice]

This is what's killing the game in Spain.

Half the Spanish teams get less than teams in the Championship get for TV money.

loads of clubs cannot afford to even pay their wages, and they have a strange system where they apply for like a pre-administration, which lets the Spanish FA know they are in trouble and they can effectively carry on in that state with no punishment, indefinitely. And some clubs have justified it for not paying players.

That was the reason for the strike, because players weren't getting paid.

Barca & Madrid get so much more than anyone in TV rights that there is no real competiton there.

That's basically how I see it.
Because we are one of the elite clubs, we could probably get some benefit from it in the short term, but it would impact negatively on the vast majority of teams in the country, and therefore harm our national game. I can't see how that would benefit us in the long term. Even if it did, we should avoid it on general principles.

 

[tommo84]

We would get a bit more money, but would be getting much less than our rivals at the top of the Prem. So really it would hurt us, just as it hurts everyone except Barca and Real in Spain.

So I'm against for the sake of domestic competition.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

That is a very short sighted approach. The few million you might gain from selling your overseas revenue would eventually be eroded from having to sell a weaker domestic product.

 

[RichSpur58]

I think Liverpool are just crying because they cant match the big teams in the league. Man Utd realise that a strong premier league is better in the long run for Man Utd than to run their own tv deal.

Real and Barca have their own deals, but the spanish football public and the rest of la liga are bored with their dominance.

 

[lillywhites61]

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer! I am very much against this, one of the reasons our league is so good to watch is cause the top teams in England will lose out to mid lower teams so it is decent competition. Spain is a farce, although the top two are very good it's just a formality, atleast here teams can give it a go, we are a prime example, slowly pushing our way in!

 

[RichSpur58]

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer! I am very much against this, one of the reasons our league is so good to watch is cause the top teams in England will lose out to mid lower teams so it is decent competition. Spain is a farce, although the top two are very good it's just a formality, atleast here teams can give it a go, we are a prime example, slowly pushing our way in!

Whilst we are not as bad as Spain, I wouldnt go as far as to say that the premier league is competitive.

 

[rabbikeane]

Maybe they should think about how many would be interested in paying to watch Liverpool players doing tricks by themselves in the center circle.

 

[ealingspur]

Agreed with the overall sentiment here. This is really liverpool's last gasp attempt at maintaining their top status. They are slipping dramatically, but still do have a massive international name. If they can get this kind of revenue in, it would help their position alot.

It wouldnt be the same as in spain, as here we have around 5/6 clubs, but it would create a quasi mini-league at the top, and within that, more likely than not, the money would be stacked from top to bottom (with probably the north london clubs getting the least).

In any event, if we ever want to see another spurs coming through, i.e. a team slowly building something rather than just existing for the sake of it, than this is a bad idea.

Also, money is draining the soul of football and I think most football fans would agree. Watching a team like man city take all the plaudits because of a sugar daddy is heart breakening. I applaud Arsenal for the way they did it, i.e. the best football and astute buys. I applaud Man United by building a dynasty. I applaud us for taking the pproach with youth, zeal and zest, breaking into the top.

To be honest, I don't see football dying, because it's such an internationally recognised sport, but I know that if it keeps going down the money-obsessed route that it's going down, it will lose many passionate fans who can no longer identify with the people they are cheering on. Why do you think BAE is so popular? Sure he's one cool customer, but he's a real person, and they are so few and far between these days that he gets so much attention.

I want my football back.

P.s. my post gets more and more emotional as it goes on. Probably best just to stop around halfway.

 

[StartingPrice]

Agreed with the overall sentiment here. This is really liverpool's last gasp attempt at maintaining their top status. They are slipping dramatically, but still do have a massive international name. If they can get this kind of revenue in, it would help their position alot.

It wouldnt be the same as in spain, as here we have around 5/6 clubs, but it would create a quasi mini-league at the top, and within that, more likely than not, the money would be stacked from top to bottom (with probably the north london clubs getting the least).

In any event, if we ever want to see another spurs coming through, i.e. a team slowly building something rather than just existing for the sake of it, than this is a bad idea.

Also, money is draining the soul of football and I think most football fans would agree. Watching a team like man city take all the plaudits because of a sugar daddy is heart breakening. I applaud Arsenal for the way they did it, i.e. the best football and astute buys. I applaud Man United by building a dynasty. I applaud us for taking the pproach with youth, zeal and zest, breaking into the top.

To be honest, I don't see football dying, because it's such an internationally recognised sport, but I know that if it keeps going down the money-obsessed route that it's going down, it will lose many passionate fans who can no longer identify with the people they are cheering on. Why do you think BAE is so popular? Sure he's one cool customer, but he's a real person, and they are so few and far between these days that he gets so much attention.

I want my football back.

P.s. my post gets more and more emotional as it goes on. Probably best just to stop around halfway.

This...especially the highlighted portion.

My brother-in-law supported Chelsea passionately since he was a kid, even though they won feck-all in all that time (mostly). He also played non-league and did a bit of reffing. Once Abrahmovich took over he totally lost interest, and now supports, including away matches, a non-league outfit.

 

[Lilbaz]

They can't do it without the rest of the league agreeing. All Wigan etc.. have to say is that they don't want to be filmed while playing against Liverpool and under the Right to Privacy they can't be.
Will never happen.

 

[lillywhites61]

Ealingspur, bang on, basically money is killing the game we loved full of passion and heart and is replacing it with a game purely about greed, I have to agree I too applaud arsenal for how they have gone about things and teams like Chelsea man city and players like eto sum it all up

 

[worcestersauce]

They can't do it without the rest of the league agreeing. All Wigan etc.. have to say is that they don't want to be filmed while playing against Liverpool and under the Right to Privacy they can't be.
Will never happen.

Exactly, people don't pay to watch Liverpool like he says, they pay to watch Liverpool play other teams and without the other teams they won't watch them, Liverpool can break away and play with themselves but I doubt even the Thais will bother watching that.

 

[StartingPrice]

Exactly, people don't pay to watch Liverpool like he says, they pay to watch Liverpool play other teams and without the other teams they won't watch them, Liverpool can break away and play with themselves but I doubt even the Thais will bother watching that.

TBF the Dildo Brothas would probably pay good money for the copyright to that :wink: