New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Lilbaz]

Yes.

Not least because it will be a space used by 60,000 or so paying customers every other week.

So, even if for no other reason, any change will require new planning consent for 'elf and safety reasons.

Shouldn't take long should it? The changes to the south end and buildings seemed to go through quite quickly. With confirmation from borris about transport improvements and the tottenham walk it should be easier to move people than the original proposals?

 

[jambreck]

Shouldn't take long should it? The changes to the south end and buildings seemed to go through quite quickly. With confirmation from borris about transport improvements and the tottenham walk it should be easier to move people than the original proposals?

Agreed.

Short of any outrageous new plans or demands, I can't see Haringey council doing anything other than bending over backwards for Spurs. The threat of losing the club appears to have had a harrowing effect on them.

They now have a once in a generation opportunity to effect real change for the better in the area and they appear to be keen not to let it pass them by.

 

[DogsOfWar]

We're running out of time.

Personally, I suspect not getting regular CL football may have slowed down the process.

It would have played a big part in securing the naming rights (at the price we need) as well as provided another £20-30million to the bottom line every season which would have covered any extra debt/interest payments on funding.

I'm not convinced our current financial model is enough to fund this development.

 

[michaelden]

The longer this drags on, and the less likely looking it is that West Ham are able to 1) fill a 32K seater stadium & 2) are fucking ruining a brilliant location with a shit stadium compromise, the angrier I get that we didn't win the bid for the OS

 

[jambreck]

The longer this drags on, and the less likely looking it is that West Ham are able to 1) fill a 32K seater stadium & 2) are fucking ruining a brilliant location with a shit stadium compromise, the angrier I get that we didn't win the bid for the OS

We were never going to win that bid. We were out of the race before it even began.

Besides which, we would still have had to fund the new stadium in the Olympic Park, had our bid succeeded.

And we would have had to fund a new stadium at Crystal Palace for British Athletics to boot.

Not wishing to reopen old wounds, but I am fucking thrilled that we are staying where we belong, in Tottenham - however long it takes us to complete the NDP.

 

[SugarRay]

We were never going to win that bid. We were out of the race before it even began.

Besides which, we would still have had to fund the new stadium in the Olympic Park, had our bid succeeded.

And we would have had to fund a new stadium at Crystal Palace for British Athletics to boot.

Not wishing to reopen old wounds, but I am fucking thrilled that we are staying where we belong, in Tottenham - however long it takes us to complete the NDP.

This, this, this.

If we had moved I would not have followed the club. I would have carried on and lent my support to the AFC Tottenham that would have risen from the ashes at the Lane.

We had no business moving there. Contrary to popular belief, its actually a shit location. Wow, great transport links. It's a 35 minute walk from the station for a lard arse and all you get on the way is a load of local 'innits' out for their weekend mall walk and nando session. In the words of Ashley off PhoneShop...eff dat shit.

 

[Lilbaz]

We did win.

We got a great deal for staying home.

 

[SpurSince57]

This, this, this.

If we had moved I would not have followed the club. I would have carried on and lent my support to the AFC Tottenham that would have risen from the ashes at the Lane.

We had no business moving there. Contrary to popular belief, its actually a shit location. Wow, great transport links. It's a 35 minute walk from the station for a lard arse and all you get on the way is a load of local 'innits' out for their weekend mall walk and nando session. In the words of Ashley off PhoneShop...eff dat shit.

I took the train over to Stratford on my way to Greenwich a couple of weeks back. First time I've been there in years. It is an absolutely horrible concrete jungle. Tottenham may be badly run down, but at least it retains some character, and it'll look a lot better when the old parades are tarted up a bit.

 

[nightgoat]

We were never going to win that bid. We were out of the race before it even began.

Boris hoodwinked Levy into entering so it didn't look like they were just giving it to West Ham. There's no way we'd have considered going for it if the goalposts had been changed to a catch all rather than percentage based criteria before the start of the bidding process.

If we had moved I would not have followed the club. I would have carried on and lent my support to the AFC Tottenham that would have risen from the ashes at the Lane.

We had no business moving there. Contrary to popular belief, its actually a shit location. Wow, great transport links. It's a 35 minute walk from the station for a lard arse and all you get on the way is a load of local 'innits' out for their weekend mall walk and nando session. In the words of Ashley off PhoneShop...eff dat shit.

I went to the London Anniversary Games the other weekend. About 70,000 people there on the Saturday, took much longer to get out than it currently takes 36,000 to get out of WHL. And that was with orchestrated exits for specific parts of the stadium so everyone doesn't all converge on the same exit.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Boris hoodwinked Levy into entering so it didn't look like they were just giving it to West Ham. There's no way we'd have considered going for it if the goalposts had been changed to a catch all rather than percentage based criteria before the start of the bidding process.

Yes, but it was more specific than that. People from the club have confirmed this a number of times, publicly and often in quite impolite terms - and it was well-publicised in the more sensible news media at the time:

At a political level, i.e., by the Mayor and the Olympic Committee, we were vigorously encouraged to bid for the OS - we now know that it was, as you say, to provide the illusion of competition. We said "not if retaining the running track is paramount, because we cannot provide a good experience for the fans in a stadium with a running track around the pitch". We were told that there was flexibility about the running track, so we spent a lot of money cooking up the plan to move athletics to Crystal Palace, so we could lose the running track. Then, when the bids were assessed, it immediately became clear that the running track was immovable and sacrosanct and always had been.

That's why Levy and the club were so furious. They were tricked into spending a fortune on a bid that never could have succeeded.

It was always a backup plan anyway. The only reason we had "dead in the water" and all the other negative comments about the NDP was because we were campaigning to win the OS bid. It was spin.

 

[nightgoat]

From what I recall the original bidding process had five requirements which were weighted on percentages of importance, finance and the ability to pay for it being the most important which heavily favoured us over West Ham. After we'd entered the bidding process the condition was changed so that all five of those requirements had to be met, two of which (one being keeping the running track, I forget the other) we would never have met which rendered our participation in the bid utterly pointless.

 

[jambreck]

From what I recall the original bidding process had five requirements which were weighted on percentages of importance, finance and the ability to pay for it being the most important which heavily favoured us over West Ham. After we'd entered the bidding process the condition was changed so that all five of those requirements had to be met, two of which (one being keeping the running track, I forget the other) we would never have met which rendered our participation in the bid utterly pointless.

You're absolutely right that bids were initially to be judged on five criteria. In addition to the financial proposal and provision for a running track, perhaps the other criterion you were thinking of was how soon after the Games the stadium would be back in full use? You're also absolutely right about the criteria being weighted for importance, with finance being the foremost of these.

I don't recall there ever being an official change (as you remember it) to the criteria but, once the bids were in, it soon became perfectly apparent that the financial proposal was, in reality, a minor consideration by comparison to keeping the running track at the Olympic stadium.

 

[nightgoat]

You're absolutely right that bids were initially to be judged on five criteria. In addition to the financial proposal and provision for a running track, perhaps the other criterion you were thinking of was how soon after the Games the stadium would be back in full use? You're also absolutely right about the criteria being weighted for importance, with finance being the foremost of these.

I don't recall there ever being an official change (as you remember it) to the criteria but, once the bids were in, it soon became perfectly apparent that the financial proposal was, in reality, a minor consideration by comparison to keeping the running track at the Olympic stadium.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ol...ifted-during-bidding-for-Olympic-Stadium.html

I don't ever remember there being an announcement of an official change. But you would highly doubt Levy would go in for it knowing that our bid didn't match one key required criteria as it would be a monumental waste of time and money. But like that article suggests, the goalposts were significantly shifted in West Ham's favour after the bids were in.

 

[Lilbaz]

The os is dead. Read about 150 pages back if you want information on it.

We got our kickback out of it so should be happy.

 

[SpurSince57]

I'll add that over the last couple of weeks a steady stream of trucks has been removing the heaps of spoil from the site, so it's not unreasonable to suppose that some form of preliminary work on the stadium could begin shortly.

 

[Wick3d]

I'll add that over the last couple of weeks a steady stream of trucks has been removing the heaps of spoil from the site, so it's not unreasonable to suppose that some form of preliminary work on the stadium could begin shortly.

Imagine the amount of concrete that will be used in order to build the foundations. Maybe we could bury Perez in there whilst it's still wet, no one would know...

 

[jambreck]

Imagine the amount of concrete that will be used in order to build the foundations. Maybe we could bury Perez in there whilst it's still wet, no one would know...

Marca would.

They obviously have insiders everywhere else. So why not in hard set concrete?

 

[chrissivad]

Work starts on landmark Tottenham housing scheme at former Cannon rubber factory site

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"Building work to build a new primary school and hundreds of affordable homes on an abandoned industrial estate got underway today in Tottenham.

Cllr Alan Strickland with Newlon Housing Trust project manager Sarah Timewell at the former Cannon Rubber factory site in Tottenham.
The former Cannon rubber factory site, at the northern end of the High Road just beyond White Hart Lane, will be transformed to give a permanent home to the Hartsbrook E-Act Free School and create more than 220 shared ownership and rented homes.
The scheme, which will see Newlon Housing Trust build the new homes, will include commercial units for successful start-up businesses aimed at Tottenham-based entrepreneurs, and create 75 jobs, developers claim.
The primary school will open in 2015 and immediately offer 120 much-needed reception places, and will eventually cater for 420 pupils.
In all, 222 affordable homes are proposed in four carbon-efficient blocks, with all flats having a balcony and access to a rooftop garden, as well as 268 cycle parking spaces.

An artist's impression of the estate planned for the old Cannon Rubber factory site.
Cllr Alan Strickland, cabinet member for regeneration, joined Sarah Timewell, project manager from Newlon Housing Trust, at the site on Monday to formally start construction.
Cllr Strickland said: “This project illustrates the scale of our ambitions for Tottenham – hundreds of high-quality homes, much-needed school places for our children, and support for entrepreneurs who want to create jobs for local people.
“This development will bring real, tangible benefits to our community, so I’m delighted that work is under way and look forward to working with Newlon to make it a success.”
Environmental credentials are at the centre of the development, which has its own heat and power plant.
Sarah Timewell said: “We’re really pleased to be under way with this exciting new scheme to provide new homes, jobs and school places for local people.”
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/n...t_former_cannon_rubber_factory_site_1_2327908

 

[Wick3d]

Work starts on landmark Tottenham housing scheme at former Cannon rubber factory site

"Building work to build a new primary school and hundreds of affordable homes on an abandoned industrial estate got underway today in Tottenham.

Haha funny how there will be a primary school right next to a street littered with prostitutes.

 

[OmarsComing]

Don't know if this has been posted before:

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Lol