New Stadium Details And Discussions

[spursfan77]

We might still have contact with them and they might still use our new stadium for concerts etc... But yes i agree that mostly our deal died with the os bid.

I dont know about the concert side of it, but in terms of investment or having something to do with the NFL I can say they won't be doing anything to do with that.

 

[beats1]

I dont know about the concert side of it, but in terms of investment or having something to do with the NFL I can say they won't be doing anything to do with that.

The thing is that to get a new london team will either require a team moving here(which is unlikely as many places have tried to do that and failed) or to start a new team which would require another team joining in and at the start of the year the only other company/place pushing for a team was AEG with LA

Here is Roger saying that one of the solutions to the LA problem is to add two teams
http://espn.go.com/losangeles/nfl/s...34-teams-likely-nfl-adds-franchise-losangeles

 

[Lilbaz]

The thing is that to get a new london team will either require a team moving here(which is unlikely as many places have tried to do that and failed) or to start a new team which would require another team joining in and at the start of the year the only other company/place pushing for a team was AEG with LA

Toronto wants one and i believe they are also looking at mexico city. You could add a couple and change the format?

 

[beats1]

Toronto wants one and i believe they are also looking at mexico city. You could add a couple and change the format?

There was an article a couple of years back saying that the possibility of adding four international teams

Interestingly that they are looking to add Germany and Mexico to the international series by 2016

Though four teams is too many imo and I don't see enough traction to see it happening, I think how well the games are received in 2016 will be a measure as a strength of those markets. Also I don't know if 2 teams in europe would work. Here is an article from the commissioner saying that to get a team in LA, a possible solution would be to have two teams which I why mentioned us being in cahoots with AEG

 

[spursfan77]

The thing is that to get a new london team will either require a team moving here(which is unlikely as many places have tried to do that and failed) or to start a new team which would require another team joining in and at the start of the year the only other company/place pushing for a team was AEG with LA

Here is Roger saying that one of the solutions to the LA problem is to add two teams
http://espn.go.com/losangeles/nfl/s...34-teams-likely-nfl-adds-franchise-losangeles

That's AEG in America though not in England. I'd be massively surprised if they got involved in it from what I've been told. Things change obviously though as the relationship was there 3/4 years ago but nothing since then.

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

Interestingly, somebody on SSC has noted that in one of the planning documents 'demolition of the existing stadium' is planned to take place between January and June 2017. That would surely mean that this season is the last at WHL?

Additionally, I've noticed that the piling works are planned to take place between September 2015 and February 2016. And a second round of piling works to take place between May and July 2017 which would fit in with the demolition timetable, above.

Somebody has taken a screenshot of the document but I can't post it as I'm on my iPad.

It certainly points to this being our last season at WHL, as many have suspected but also points to us having two seasons away.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

Interestingly, somebody on SSC has noted that in one of the planning documents 'demolition of the existing stadium' is planned to take place between January and June 2017. That would surely mean that this season is the last at WHL?

Additionally, I've noticed that the piling works are planned to take place between September 2015 and February 2016. And a second round of piling works to take place between May and July 2017 which would fit in with the demolition timetable, above.

Somebody has taken a screenshot of the document but I can't post it as I'm on my iPad.

It certainly points to this being our last season at WHL, as many have suspected but also points to us having two seasons away.

 

[Lilbaz]

The only thing though. If this was the last season i would think there would be a lot more whoo ha. Unless they are waiting to see if permission is granted quickly. If it is they announce the change if not they make changes and re apply. We'll see.

The discussion is on the 16th. So hopefully the decision is this side of christmas.

 

[tottenmal]

I have heard from people that wouldn't get this wrong, that we would be looking at 2 seasons away from the lane. But is still being kept at 1 due to planning etc.

 

[spursfan77]

is nothing happening for the whole of 2016 then?

 

[Lilbaz]

is nothing happening for the whole of 2016 then?

2/3 of the foundatitions and basement are getting done.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

is nothing happening for the whole of 2016 then?

Structural work the whole of that year?

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.thstofficial.com/thst-news/thst-thfc-board-to-board-meeting-minutes-29-september-2015
THFC/THST board meeting minutes last week - with lengthy discussion on stadium

 

[spursfan77]

2/3 of the foundatitions and basement are getting done.

that sounds like quite a lot then!

 

[Spursidol]

A few nuggets in the minutes including

1. The 3 locally listed buildings - Historic England, Haringey and THFC are discussing these at present. Harringey have the final say on whether they need to be retained or not.

2 Planning permission hoped for by Spurs by Feb 2016, main contractor appointment following that and finance in place during June 2016 (nb. I suspect the finance at that time maybe bank finance with the naming rights deal coming later and part replacing some of the bank finance - the minutes are not clear on this point).

3. Discussions with Wembley ongoing - Spurs deadline for a decision March 2017 (ie Spurs at WHL for 2016/17, and moving out 2017/18 for one season, new stadium completed in summer 2018).

 

[spursfan77]

I found these two bits (slightly differently reported in the press) about the year away quite interesting:

Wembley

asked for clarification of the position regarding negotiations over Wembley
DL said that the FAs stance for some time had been that it was a national stadium and they were not interested in any Premier League club playing at Wembley. So, despite offers from THFC, there had been no willingness from the FA to progress discussions
Chelsea FCs offer of a four-year deal, which would deliver a substantial sum of money, had changed this position and the FA would now consider a PL team
A four-year deal was thought to be far more attractive to Wembley than a one-year deal, although DL stressed the per season income to Wembley was unlikely to be materially different from either Club. DL also felt that the FA acknowledged the need to treat clubs equally

- the FA obviously prefer Chelsea

Olympic stadium

KL and MC said that information already received as a result of Freedom of Information requests indicated that, whilst West Ham United may have a priority usage clause, they did not have a veto over who used the stadium: the club was merely a tenant
DL said that, should the Olympic Stadium become a possibility, THFC had a responsibility to consider it, but Wembley was the preferred venue as it was a neutral venue

I reckon this is very much on the table as the second option should wembley fall through.

 

[scottej5]

This is only my opinion and could be 100% wrong but is based off of working in construction management for the last 10 years (in America, so again could be way off). I think that the demolition of WHL could be partially accomplished as we are still playing in it. THFC would be removing any elements that are not directly needed for matchday (i.e. siding, offices, finishes, etc.) during the season. The day following the last match, the remainder of the items needed for matchday (seating, concessions, etc.) could be removed so all that is left is to bring in the big equipment to knock down the structure. As this demolition is commencing, the piling rigs would be working hand-in-hand and following the demolition crews. This would be a huge task in terms of scheduling and sequencing, but very feasible and would shorten the demolition after the last match by months.

I just have a hard time believing the club would not want to milk more out of the last season (bringing in club legends both from THFC and other clubs) to celebrate WHL. If we were to move out for the 16/17 season, I don't believe WHL would get the send off that both the club and the supporters deserve. Again, this is just my 2p from a uneducated American.

 

[camaj]

Interestingly, somebody on SSC has noted that in one of the planning documents 'demolition of the existing stadium' is planned to take place between January and June 2017. That would surely mean that this season is the last at WHL?

It might mean that the start is going to be in that period, not that the demolition would start in January. It might mean that demolition starts in January but that might mean they'll start digging up Paxton Rd or perhaps demolishing the North stand. I can't see that happening but it's possible that we'll play end of the season with reduced capacity.

Interestingly someone posted a screenshot from the planning application earlier that suggested we might not move at all but it does speak about demolishing the old north stand and building the new south stand over the course of the summer. This is different from the original plan which was to do that over the course of the 2017-18 season and have the stadium completely built by the start of the next season. I can't see why they'd try to do it all in one close season

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

It might mean that the start is going to be in that period, not that the demolition would start in January. It might mean that demolition starts in January but that might mean they'll start digging up Paxton Rd or perhaps demolishing the North stand. I can't see that happening but it's possible that we'll play end of the season with reduced capacity.

Interestingly someone posted a screenshot from the planning application earlier that suggested we might not move at all but it does speak about demolishing the old north stand and building the new south stand over the course of the summer. This is different from the original plan which was to do that over the course of the 2017-18 season and have the stadium completely built by the start of the next season. I can't see why they'd try to do it all in one close season

Demolishing the North Stand was in the original phasing plan but the pitch was only going to be laid over the summer, then the new South Stand built over the forthcoming season whilst we played in a 3/4 built stadium.

There would never be enough time to demolish the existing North Stand and complete the new South Stand (and a good portion of the new East stand) between the 2nd week of May and the 2nd week of August. Impossible.

 

[camaj]

There would never be enough time to demolish the existing North Stand and complete the new South Stand (and a good portion of the new East stand) between the 2nd week of May and the 2nd week of August. Impossible.

That's what the documents posted here said. I don't see why they can't do what they originally said.