New Stadium Details And Discussions

[beats1]

Because when the theoretical capacity was 65k we only occasionally came close to meeting it.

Because empty seats look bad.

Because empty seats mean punters won't buy season tickets if they know they can turn up on the day.

Because Levy and his advisors have done their homework and you haven't.

I think the capacity will be around 60k, the stratford stadium design was 60k, so I dont think supply and demand is a major issue

 

[SpurSince57]

I think the capacity will be around 60k, the stratford stadium design was 60k, so I dont think supply and demand is a major issue

Of course it's a major issue. If punters know they can turn up on the day and buy a ticket, as was the case until 20 or so years ago, they won't shell out on a season; major/crucial games will sell out, those against less fashionable sides won't. You only have to visit Topspurs and check out attendance patterns for past seasons to see that.

 

[beats1]

Of course it's a major issue. If punters know they can turn up on the day and buy a ticket, as was the case until 20 or so years ago, they won't shell out on a season; major/crucial games will sell out, those against less fashionable sides won't. You only have to visit Topspurs and check out attendance patterns for past seasons to see that.

It clearly isnt a major issue if we were willing to add another 4k in our last stadium design, of course its a major issue overall but not in regards of a 4k extra seats since we added it anyway

 

[SpurSince57]

It clearly isnt a major issue if we were willing to add another 4k in our last stadium design, of course its a major issue overall but not in regards of a 4k extra seats since we added it anyway

I believe the 56k capacity was at the behest of the police and local authority, and that 60k was always the original plan—although I'm open to correction. That's clearly the maximum number the club feels it can fill on a regular basis without damaging season ticket sales.

 

[Spursidol]

Not sure I really like the timing suggested in this article froim Harringey - hope they got the date late by a year or two.

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/ne...igh-road-restoration-project-wins-funding.htm

Tottenham High Road restoration project wins funding
Publication date: Tuesday 9 April 2013

A £1.5million scheme to restore some of Tottenham’s historic buildings to their former glory has taken a step forward after getting initial approval from the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF).

Haringey Council has been awarded £50,000 from the HLF to develop its plan to give the area a facelift by restoring the traditional frontages of shops.

The project, which would be completed by 2017, is focused on the North Tottenham Conservation Area and demonstrates the council’s commitment to support local traders as part of the area’s major regeneration.

The money would be used to restore historic shop fronts to their original appearance, including repairing windows and surviving original features, as well as removing insensitive alterations made during the last 50 years.
Councillor Alan Strickland, cabinet member for economic development, said:

"We are proud of Tottenham’s heritage and it is important that we remember the past as we build for the future.

"This project would be completed just as Spurs move into their new stadium and hundreds of new homes are completed, so it is important that our shopping areas also look the part to attract new visitors.

"A thriving High Road is a key part of our Plan for Tottenham, creating more trade for our businesses and more jobs for local people."​

Haringey Council will now work with partners including English Heritage, Tottenham Traders Partnership, Tottenham Civic Society and Spurs to develop its full bid for £1,470,500 in funding.
Sue Bowers, head of Heritage Lottery Fund London, said:

"This area is in particular need of serious investment so the Heritage Lottery Fund is pleased to be able to give initial support to plans that have the potential to both regenerate and reinvigorate.

"Haringey Council has clearly identified how best to approach conserving Tottenham High Road’s historic character whilst also kick-starting schemes to encourage training opportunities and community involvement.

"These are targeted and thoughtful proposals and we look forward to seeing them develop over the coming year."​

 

[double0]

I believe the 56k capacity was at the behest of the police and local authority, and that 60k was always the original plan—although I'm open to correction. That's clearly the maximum number the club feels it can fill on a regular basis without damaging season ticket sales.

So clearly you haven't done your home work otherwise why would you be open to correction.

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/12/manchester-united-attendances-police-figures

Interesting article in the Guardian re football attandances - and discrepancies between thiose attending and those who apparantly have paid for seats.

• Sir Alex Ferguson's team have not had a single crowd over 70,000 for a league match, police say, not taking in Monday's game against Manchester City
• Re ManU - The police records state it is 65,601 rather than the official figure of 75,527. In all competitions it is 61,739 rather than the club's 73,653.

Spurs moving from filling a 36,000 odd ground (usually filled so 98% or so capacxity filled on average ie very good utilisation) to a 56,250 ground (an increase of about 55%) looks a sensible choice (even assuming there are more 'premium prioced seats than currently), presumeably fixed on a combination of waiting season ticket holders and transport/access constraints.

One might be able to argue that 60,000 might be possible to fill but any more could be a real problem to get filled regularly enough.

 

[RichSpur58]

If the club counts tickets sold that a fair reflection IMO. Ive had tickets for everton and fulham and didn't go for whatever reason.

 

[Graysonti]

Loads of spare seats at Arse tonight. Loads

 

[beats1]

Loads of spare seats at Arse tonight. Loads

Not anymore

 

[dynamoSpurs]

how come it takes so long to build a frickin stadium? Surely it's easier than an apartment block? And they seem to be going up every day.. All still unaffordable might I add .

 

[Lilbaz]

Look at the trouble with the pinnacle etc... not that easy and we don't want to do a valencia.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

how come it takes so long to build a frickin stadium? Surely it's easier than an apartment block? And they seem to be going up every day.. All still unaffordable might I add .

With all due respect if you think building a stadium is easier than building an apartment block you really know absolutely nothing about either the scheme or construction.

 

[dynamoSpurs]

sorry mr architect. isn't it just a frame with no roof and some plastic seats?? big steel sheet cladding.. simples..

Imagine the construction of sizable apt block..

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

sorry mr architect. isn't it just a frame with no roof and some plastic seats?? big steel sheet cladding.. simples..

Imagine the construction of sizable apt block..

No it isn't. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. In fact I don't know why I am dignifying such stupidity with a response.

 

[dynamoSpurs]

I win.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

sorry mr architect. isn't it just a frame with no roof and some plastic seats?? big steel sheet cladding.. simples..

Imagine the construction of sizable apt block..

Yeah and apartment blocks have to take into account things like 'transport links', 'the safety of almost 60,000 people',' financial viability', 'area regeneration', '£400million in costs', 'the impact upon future purchasing of multi-million pound transfer deals', 'pitch drainage', 'Acoustics', 'spectators view', 'Compulsory Purchase orders' etc etc etc..

If anything, your view is completely backwards. It's apartment blocks that are simple to construct. Nothing more than foundations, girders, and simple brick & frame work, whilst the work that goes into building a stadium is significantly greater. How come it took 3 years to build Wembley Stadium, even though everything was already in place? Surely it would have been done in a matter of months if it was as simple as you think? Why did the Olympics Stadium take 5 years to build? Yet, unlike either of those projects, the NDP has multiple hurdles to overcome before any construction can even begin, let alone be completed.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

Yeah and apartment blocks have to take into account things like 'transport links', 'the safety of almost 60,000 people',' financial viability', 'area regeneration', '£400million in costs', 'the impact upon future purchasing of multi-million pound transfer deals', 'pitch drainage', 'Acoustics', 'spectators view', 'Compulsory Purchase orders' etc etc etc..

If anything, your view is completely backwards. It's apartment blocks that are simple to construct. Nothing more than foundations, girders, and simple brick & frame work, whilst the work that goes into building a stadium is significantly greater. How come it took 3 years to build Wembley Stadium, even though everything was already in place? Surely it would have been done in a matter of months if it was as simple as you think? Why did the Olympics Stadium take 5 years to build? Yet, unlike either of those projects, the NDP has multiple hurdles to overcome before any construction can even begin, let alone be completed.

 

[Spursidol]

Nothing major - but a planning application (HGY/2013/0515) to extend the working hours on the construction site for the northern buildings (the supermarket, etc) includes the statement that "project completion is currently scheduled for 4th November 2013."
http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/AttachmentShowServlet?ImageName=520693

Looks like they want to make sure they hit the date - or even pull the date forward. Not sure that we can draw any definite conclusions with any certainty from that, but interesting nonetheless

 

[Spur-of-the-moment]

sorry mr architect. isn't it just a frame with no roof and some plastic seats?? big steel sheet cladding.. simples..

Imagine the construction of sizable apt block..

Just stick to playing with your Lego, there's a good boy.
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