New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Nine while nine]

Anyone want to give Eric Pickles a nudge ?

I wouldn't. He hasn't stopped quivering since the last nudge he got and that was in 2011.

 

[dovahkiin]

mini update from edmonton re CPO:
Spurs don't know what the decision will be yet, it's definitely not in the bag

 

[SpurSince57]

mini update from edmonton re CPO:
Spurs don't know what the decision will be yet, it's definitely not in the bag

I really can't see Haringey letting it go, never mind Spurs. There's far too much riding on it. They've been offered a much bigger site with easier access to the A10 and North Circ as part of the compensation.

 

[worcestersauce]

I really can't see Haringey letting it go, never mind Spurs. There's far too much riding on it. They've been offered a much bigger site with easier access to the A10 and North Circ as part of the compensation.

I think you're probbaly right SS57, I think they've been treated pretty fairly after all and I'm sure the coucil will too in which case surely the council will make the case that they are being unreasonable.

 

[jambreck]

I don't think that Haringey is the issue. They're fully on board. The whole regeneration of north Tottenham depends upon the stadium going ahead. They are as desperate for this to happen as Spurs are. Maybe even more so.

Any remaining doubt that Spurs might have, I guess, is merely attributable to Eric Pickles keeping his cards close to his chest. I think it highly unlikely, though, that he would rule against Haringey and Spurs and, consequently, against investment and regeneration.

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't think that Haringey is the issue. They're fully on board. The whole regeneration of north Tottenham depends upon the stadium going ahead. They are as desperate for this to happen as Spurs are. Maybe even more so.

Any remaining doubt that Spurs might have, I guess, is merely attributable to Eric Pickles keeping his cards close to his chest. I think it highly unlikely, though, that he would rule against Haringey and Spurs and, consequently, against investment and regeneration.

Not unless he wants a ballistic Bojo on his case.

Bojo vs Jabba. Only one winner.

 

[Beni]

Didn't know where to post this, but think this was a relevant place as any. Does anyone know what the pitch size will be for the new stadium?
Reason I ask, is that our current pitch is one of the smallest in the league, and in my opinion, a big contributory factor why our home form has been poor with limited space available, and easier for smaller teams to park the bus and limit that space even more.

I haven't looked it up, but not sure if it's the tv angle or not, but our pitch looks so small compared to Old Trafford and The Emirates.

 

[ginola99]

Looks about the same in this pic

but if the rumours of a design change are true then it might be irelevent. I think we would find on or at least closer to completion.

 

[jambreck]

I think it's a cast iron certainty that the pitch at the new stadium will be considerably bigger than the current pitch. Most likely, it will be standard UEFA top category size of 105m x 68m.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Looks about the same in this pic...

No it doesn't. The pitch in that very preliminary sketch is measurably wider and longer in the new stadium than in the existing one. Check it on screen with a ruler.

And it's a freehand pencil sketch, made several years ago for promotional purposes and to demonstrate the proposed phasing of construction - I think it predates the planning application. It isn't a construction drawing, or even a planning drawing.

There is a small difference in the size of different pitches, because there isn't much scope within the laws. It's only a couple of metres either way. I would be amazed if the new stadium did not have a standard-sized pitch. Why wouldn't it?

 

[Spur-of-the-moment]

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Currently our pitch dimensions are 100m x 67m. Any new stadium must observe the rules of the Premier League, which dictate a pitch size of 105m x 68m (rule K.15).

 

[THFCSPURS19]

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  conmccand ‏@conmccand Feb 2
  "@michaeltreasure: Guide only confirmation that work begins 5th May 2014. Contract still at pre-tender. #NDP #THFC pic.twitter.com/M7XnzKvUZb"

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Here's the polite version. If the contract is still pre-tender, then they do not know that it will start on 5 May. That may be a target, but it is not a firm start date.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Here's the polite version. If the contract is still pre-tender, then they do not know that it will start on 5 May. That may be a target, but it is not a firm start date.

David, if I may ask a couple of questions, What does that part in the top right corner of that snippet of info mean? "Calculated £188,200,000 of private funding"....

Is that a suggestion that Joe Lewis is pumping in that fee? Or is it just a case of funding that Levy has sourced outside of club revenue?

And the dates within the info, start May this year, end May next year. I know you've already said that the dates can't be confirmed until tender is sorted, but isn't that info suggesting the stadium will be built in a year?

1 - Is that even possible?
2 - If it is possible, one would assume that'd be for the first 3 parts to be built, and then finish the stadium in the 2nd year of construction?

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

David, if I may ask a couple of questions, What does that part in the top right corner of that snippet of info mean? "Calculated £188,200,000 of private funding"....

Is that a suggestion that Joe Lewis is pumping in that fee? Or is it just a case of funding that Levy has sourced outside of club revenue?

And the dates within the info, start May this year, end May next year. I know you've already said that the dates can't be confirmed until tender is sorted, but isn't that info suggesting the stadium will be built in a year?

1 - Is that even possible?
2 - If it is possible, one would assume that'd be for the first 3 parts to be built, and then finish the stadium in the 2nd year of construction?

I don't remember when, but hasn't this come up before and some clever person noticed £188,200,000 funding showed the whole thing to most likely be bollocks (1882 being when we were founded).

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I don't remember when, but hasn't this come up before and some clever person noticed £188,200,000 funding showed the whole thing to most likely be bollocks (1882 being when we were founded).

God knows, mate? But the document that is pinned to the above post looks 'official', no?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

God knows, mate? But the document that is pinned to the above post looks 'official', no?

I would say that the dates that are blurred out in the top right, published appears to end in a 7 (so i assume 2007), last research appears to end in a 3 (2013) and next check with a 4 (2014), and the capacity is stated as 56,250 still - have any of the rumours that we are looking at anything up to 71k been substantiated or are they just guff?

I dunno what to make of it - it kinda looks like a screenie from Football Manager that never made it into the game. Maybe they're saving it for Construction Manager or something a bit more niche.

 

[robbiedee]

I would say that the dates that are blurred out in the top right, published appears to end in a 7 (so i assume 2007), last research appears to end in a 3 (2013) and next check with a 4 (2014), and the capacity is stated as 56,250 still - have any of the rumours that we are looking at anything up to 71k been substantiated or are they just guff?

I dunno what to make of it - it kinda looks like a screenie from Football Manager that never made it into the game. Maybe they're saving it for Construction Manager or something a bit more niche.

Looking forward to Construction Manager 2014 - haven't seen any reviews or demo's yet but I reckon it will be the nuts

If you drink 30 pints of Stella, all the blurred bits are much clearer on the screen grab. True story...try it

It would be nice if someone just came out and said this is What we're building, this is when it's starting and this is when we're hoping to be completed by...and as for that Archway steel place, I walked past it a few weeks ago going to the Palace game (i rarely get to see Spurs) and it looked like a shit hole...like a pikey's back garden after doing the rag and bone rounds. I'd just knock the fucker down and be done with it.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

David, if I may ask a couple of questions, What does that part in the top right corner of that snippet of info mean? "Calculated £188,200,000 of private funding"....

Is that a suggestion that Joe Lewis is pumping in that fee? Or is it just a case of funding that Levy has sourced outside of club revenue?

And the dates within the info, start May this year, end May next year. I know you've already said that the dates can't be confirmed until tender is sorted, but isn't that info suggesting the stadium will be built in a year?

1 - Is that even possible?
2 - If it is possible, one would assume that'd be for the first 3 parts to be built, and then finish the stadium in the 2nd year of construction?

I'm guessing a bit here. I don't know what publication that redacted image is from - looks like a journal in which upcoming major tenders are published for the benefit of the construction industry. So I also don't know how accurate the figure might [not] be.

The fact that it says 'calculated' suggests to me that the publication have worked out the figure, based on limited information & their assumptions, as opposed to being told by THFC that the project will be funded with £188.2m of private investment, i.e., money from outside the club. That would suggest that the publication is [also?] aimed at investors, i.e., venture capitalists who commonly bankroll development projects.

The gap between the figures of £188.2m here and the total mooted cost of £450m is partly accounted for by the Northern Development, which I am pretty sure has been cash-flowed by Sainsbury's, partly accounted for by the possibility that the club is seeking to fund part of the scheme with an equity investor (possibly the same as the beneficiary of the naming rights? I'm guessing again...) and partly accounted for by an element of direct investment by ENIC.

I don't think the build period of one year for the whole stadium, the four refurbished listed buildings, the retail, the infrastructure improvements and the piazza is remotely realistic. It wouldn't surprise me if the publication's database has a default 12 month construction period unless someone inputs something else and no one knows, so they haven't entered anything.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

...the capacity is stated as 56,250 still - have any of the rumours that we are looking at anything up to 71k been substantiated or are they just guff?

I think the 56,250 figure is just cribbed straight from the planning consent and has no significance whatsoever. This is part of a directory of forthcoming tenders. Some data entry clerk has entered the details of the project into the database straight from the planning records. Then someone else has done some online research or made a few phone calls to update the key dates and figures, used more than a bit of guesswork and released it for publication, as part of a long list of projects.

I wouldn't attach any credence to that image, it's not specific to the THFC project and I think it relies on info that is available in the public domain or with a bit of unsophisticated research.