New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Yorkville Spur]

Well, shit, now I'm going to have to dig deep and make one more trip to the Lane sooner than I thought. See you all in September!

 

[Spurs Lodge Kittens]

Isn't there a rule where all football league clubs have to play their homes games at the same ground over the course of a season - not sure how this fits in with a move to Wembley in November-time, no matter what season it is?

 

[Lilbaz]

Isn't there a rule where all football league clubs have to play their homes games at the same ground over the course of a season - not sure how this fits in with a move to Wembley in November-time, no matter what season it is?

It will be up to the Premier League chairmen I guess. Can't really see why they wouldn't if the FA had given the go ahead for us to use Wembley.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

@davidmatzdorf - What do you think of all this November stuff? Do you think it is possible?

@Houdini - Any ideas why from November and not the start of the season?

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

There is absolutely no chance of us relocating in November of this year. They couldn't possibly sell a season ticket (which they are currently doing - I renewed today) without telling us where the majority of those games will take place. Complete tosh, in my humble opinion.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

@davidmatzdorf - What do you think of all this November stuff? Do you think it is possible?

@Houdini - Any ideas why from November and not the start of the season?

I'm highly dubious, not of the genuineness of @Houdini 's information, but of the accuracy of the people who provided it. They're probably just showing off.

General principle: people routinely underestimate by 2/3 the amount of time it takes to get a major building project on site. Or a minor building project, for that matter.

It's theoretically possible that the club's contractors would be ready by November to excavate the foundations of the quadrant of the new stadium that overlaps with the old one - or that the need to close Paxton Rd to carry out building operations would make the existing WHL unsafe to use. But I'd think it highly unlikely that the club would let itself be bounced into a short term upheaval of this nature, just because their contractor can't programme the works creatively, to delay the need to close WHL until the following summer.

The contractor knew this contract was going to require thinking-on-their-feet when they tendered for it. Unless the club and the NDP team were fantastically naive, they would have grilled all of the tenderers about their willingness to adapt their programmes to events and then they would have made this a key criterion in contractor selection.

I have to conclude that the marginal costs associated with a short-notice relocation to Wembley in mid-season would exceed the marginal savings from the contractor having the run of the site in November instead of the following June. The opposite seems implausible. But there may be factors that I know nothing about.

 

[Houdini]

I am going to ask a few more questions tomorrow, which is when i next see this guy.
It's true, some people like to 'show off' when it comes to sharing info like this, they embellish and exaggerate somewhat, but to what extent they have, or have not, in this instance i honestly don't or wouldn't know.
Why November? I have no idea!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Nice to see yet another "creative" rating from Spurger King

So creative was this post I even pushed the boat out and drew some pictures

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Oh look,theres Mark, Sandra and John Bond.

Wait- is that Jamie in the first picture?

 

[Spursidol]

I listened in to a phone conversation today and heard that we will be at Wembley in November. A compo deal has been agreed and Spurs people were in agreement with what Wembley laid out on the table.

@davidmatzdorf

Could we be playing a few midweek games (EL, Capital One Games) at Wembley so that contractors can work all week without needing to clear up outside the stadium during the week - which might take up half a day (but still playing PL games at WHL at the weekend) ?.

Would this help the contractors be more efficient ?

 

[pc_1982]

hey

i've been following on here a while but never registered and i know this is my only post so everything is with a pinch of salt. I'm not claiming to have much knowledge but i heard via a more merchandising side of the club that they want to push out the boat on White Hart Lane merch for the last season they're there to commemorate it all. So I would guess that the time line would be a long the lines of.. work behind the stadium begins in the summer (2015), then next season is the swan song (15/16), the big farewell. (demolishment of WHL summer 2016) The following season is the relocation (16/17) then following season (17/18) we move into New WHL. Maybe if the November rumour transpires, it's we could do the double location. MK dons for smaller prem games, europa, cup, then Wembley for bigger prem games or/and possible bigger euro games.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

@davidmatzdorf

Could we be playing a few midweek games (EL, Capital One Games) at Wembley so that contractors can work all week without needing to clear up outside the stadium during the week - which might take up half a day (but still playing PL games at WHL at the weekend) ?.

Would this help the contractors be more efficient ?

It's an interesting notion, but again I think the costs of hiring Wembley would exceed the savings on the contract. I'm speculating, but the underlying principle is that the club have to have a good relationship with the contractor if the latter is going to deliver the structure on time and on budget under uncertain circumstances. It's a difficult build.

 

[shelfmonkey]

What does Edmonton do? He might just be like me and doesn't know the difference between sheet pilling and other pilling.

Agree, the only piling I'm expert at is before I leave for work each morning!!

 

[shelfmonkey]

Not really mate. I actually live in Tottenham and spend most of my day in Dalston. The way Dalston has changed has been unrecognisable. Pure gentrification with an onslaught of rich and middle-class people, mostly white, and the expulsion of poorer and working class people who were mostly from ethnic minorities. Hosuing was built with hardly any provisions for affordable units and rents skyrocketed. It's a nice place now, very trendy, less crime, safer. But it feels hollow.

Tottenham's going the same way. The club has went back on its commitments to build affordable housing. Wanting more public money is more forgivable but wanting more public money AND not building housing is less so. To then have the cheek to pretend they're all about the local community.. Most of the club's support comes from way outside the area and they know it. The vast majority supporters won't be affected by gentrification. All they will see is 'regeneration'.

We could have had the latter without the former but private interests prevail.

The powers that be are gentrifying the whole of central London, my daughter is at Southbank uni, we've been to gigs in Brixton and other venues around the city and it's unrecognisable to 20, 30 even just 10 years ago, so I don't think it's Spurs who are the main protagonists of how the area is to be regenerated, the authorities are trying to push the the poverty and crime etc to the suburbs and satellite towns, away from the tourists and the new, rich inner city dwellers. Where I live in Basildon, I've been here since 2003, I've noticed an increase, and level, in the type of crime associated with London and where I used to live in Enfield Highway, the place has turned into an even shittier place than I remember.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I just realised...

I love White Hart Lane

You'll love the big, new shiny whl, as long as us fans make it a noisy, rumbustious cauldron of yiddo atmosphere!!

 

[shelfmonkey]

Absolute shithole IMO but still very special

Yeah!! But it's our shithole and we love it!

 

[acky99]

It's possible that the drilling is done.

But I find it hard to believe that the piling is also done. If it was, we'd surely see some evidence at ground level - either in the form of piling caps or in the form of concrete columns or steel rods sticking out of the ground.

But that could just be because I know very little about the construction process! davidmatzdorf or ionman can doubtless put me right.

Piles are left underground, they are all then excavated and then connected using yet more steel and concrete.

 

[brasil_spur]

The powers that be are gentrifying the whole of central London, my daughter is at Southbank uni, we've been to gigs in Brixton and other venues around the city and it's unrecognisable to 20, 30 even just 10 years ago, so I don't think it's Spurs who are the main protagonists of how the area is to be regenerated, the authorities are trying to push the the poverty and crime etc to the suburbs and satellite towns, away from the tourists and the new, rich inner city dwellers. Where I live in Basildon, I've been here since 2003, I've noticed an increase, and level, in the type of crime associated with London and where I used to live in Enfield Highway, the place has turned into an even shittier place than I remember.

I can atest to this too, there's provisions in almost all new developments in the suburb area i live in (40 mins north on a train from Liverpool St) for social housing which is set aside from inner city london (mostly hackney council) relocation.

 

[dave5150]

I listened in to a phone conversation today and heard that we will be at Wembley in November. A compo deal has been agreed and Spurs people were in agreement with what Wembley laid out on the table.

Thanks for sharing!
I imagine this is what Ben's ITK would look like if he used autocorrect.

 

[worcestersauce]

Greyfox ITK that there will be a big announcement on the new stadium soon, I guess no announcement could be made whils the CPO court cases were going on so hopefully it'll confirm that pretty much everything is in place, and has been for some while,

 

[dave5150]

There is absolutely no chance of us relocating in November of this year. They couldn't possibly sell a season ticket (which they are currently doing - I renewed today) without telling us where the majority of those games will take place. Complete tosh, in my humble opinion.

Completely agree here. In the terms and conditions for 2015/16 membership it states that "...“the Stadium” means White Hart Lane Stadium, Bill Nicholson Way, 748 High Road, Tottenham, London N17 0AP;" and makes no caveat on matches being played elsewhere. I guess playing devil's advocate, playing cup matches away from WHL from November would likely only affect Platinum members as all other grades of season ticket holders would most likely have used up their home cup tickets for Europa League (or Champions League...?) and League Cup matches. Luckily, I'm not an advocate for the devil and can't see it happening for the reason that @davidmatzdorf pointed out - the cost of hiring Wembley midweek versus the delay to building works.

Not doubting @Houdini's info though and am very interested to see what he finds out.