New Stadium Details And Discussions
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sweetness
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Changed his name to Phil, allegedly. Most confusing.Not been in this thread for a while - just gone back and seen all the "Cornelius Knob makes a second account and pretends to be a girl" posts
Amo
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Fair enough.
Lilbaz
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Where did you see that?
This is a matter for structural engineers, surely. What the f has it got to do with the Met?
Are they worried about terrorists planting a device in the basement? If so, is this a standard request, on their part, for all major developments?
etchedchaos
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Source?
L.A. Yiddo
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L.A. Yiddo
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Yep! From the letter:
As you are no doubt aware, terrorist attacks in the UK are a real and serious danger. Crowded Places are likely to feature in the attack plans of terrorist groups now and in the future, as they are usually locations with limited protective security measures and therefore afford the potential for mass fatalities and casualties. The current threat level from international terrorism for the UK is assessed as SEVERE. The threat level for Northern Ireland-related terrorism is set separately for Northern Ireland and Great Britain. In Northern Ireland it is SEVERE and in Great Britain MODERATE. SEVERE means that a terrorist attack is highly likely and MODERATE an attack is possible, but not likely.
As stated above, the amendment mentions a 'new basement level' and 'amendments to the consented ground floor layout to allow for extended player changing facilities, enhanced media facilities and other associated stadium uses'. It is not just the effects of a direct bomb that can be lethal; flying debris such as glass can present a hazard many hundreds of metres away from the seat of the explosion. In fact during a blast, glass fragments account for around 90% of injury and death to occupants of buildings and those in the vicinity. The numbers of casualties can be significantly reduced if the correct blast mitigation measures are implemented. Additionally, the most recent attack methodologies employed by terrorist groups in mainland Europe involve the use of handheld weapons against, but not exclusively, Jewish communities.
To help reduce this sites vulnerability it is recommended that the site employ the services of a qualified Structural Blast Engineer (SBE). The engineer will provide a blast assessment report to provide the following:
As stated above, the amendment mentions a 'new basement level' and 'amendments to the consented ground floor layout to allow for extended player changing facilities, enhanced media facilities and other associated stadium uses'. It is not just the effects of a direct bomb that can be lethal; flying debris such as glass can present a hazard many hundreds of metres away from the seat of the explosion. In fact during a blast, glass fragments account for around 90% of injury and death to occupants of buildings and those in the vicinity. The numbers of casualties can be significantly reduced if the correct blast mitigation measures are implemented. Additionally, the most recent attack methodologies employed by terrorist groups in mainland Europe involve the use of handheld weapons against, but not exclusively, Jewish communities.
To help reduce this sites vulnerability it is recommended that the site employ the services of a qualified Structural Blast Engineer (SBE). The engineer will provide a blast assessment report to provide the following:
- 1, Evaluation of the building envelope for effects related to air blast (including interior and exterior glazing, exterior wall systems, roof system, car park floors and ceilings) at predetermined stand-off ranges from a VBIED
- 2, Provide performance specifications for pre-manufactured systems subject to airblast loading (i.e. precast panels, windows, etc.)
- 3, Advice to structural engineer and other design team members on incorporating blast analysis results in to the building design
- 4, Further advice should be sought from a specialist ballistic/firearms advisor in relation to any mitigation measures that may be required in the redesign.
Lilbaz
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You did read that? All it say's is they recommend that spurs talk to an SBE.
They would probably have done so anyway when the stadium was completed. They will discuss evacuation and invacuation proceedures incase of an explosion/bomb threat.
Most offices do this as a matter of course.
Cheers, L.A.
Do you know whether it is standard practice for the Met to demand such reports for major developments that will be used by the general public?
If it is not standard practice, we have to ask whether this is specifically a concern to the Met because of Spurs' well documented Jewish connection.
Do you know whether it is standard practice for the Met to demand such reports for major developments that will be used by the general public?
If it is not standard practice, we have to ask whether this is specifically a concern to the Met because of Spurs' well documented Jewish connection.
Lilbaz
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It's a recomendation not a demand. It says so.
It does indeed, mate.
But it also finishes off by saying:
"We will require a copy of any associated reports prior to 'sign off' to confirm that the standards specified are proportionate and appropriate."
Which sounds rather more like a demand to me, with an implicit warning that they will not "sign off" the amendment unless they are satisfied that the standards they "recommend" have been met.
BehindEnemyLines
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Sounds like common sense to me - whether we like it or not, our connections to both the Jewish community and association with them makes us a prime (and remarkably soft) target.
Lilbaz
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Doesn't matter as we would have got it done anyway.
So it is standard practice, then, for all such developments?
Nothing to do with Spurs' Jewish connection?
Lilbaz
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I doubt it. We are a public building that will have 60000 people in.
it would be part of the buildings risk assessment. Where do they evacuate/invacuate to etc...
My old building had it done and they were investment banks. It only took a day.
TheAmerican
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It really is amazing how much the world has changed in the last decade and a half.
Spursidol
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If you look at the original planning application in 2010 ( Ref : HGY/2010/1000)there would have been about 150 bodies consulted for their views on the stadium (including the Met., Thames Water, Waste bodies, GLC, Uncle Tom Cobbley) , a number of whom will have made requests for information or changes to the design - you will recall English Heritage demanding changes to various old buildings which were originally to be knocked down for example.
So its very standard to have lots of comments from lots of bodies
