Next Manager Watch

[Japhet]

Is it possible that the club’s sights are set on Slot, but knowing they’ll have to wait a year to get him, are now looking to (another) interim appointment?

It might explain plenty of things that otherwise seem bizarre. Or alternatively, they might just be bizarre.

Just wild supposition. No real grounds beyond bemusement for thinking this.

It's the kind of idiotic thinking that would be right at home in the Spurs boardroom. It would be yet another way to shoot ourselves in the foot.

 

[yido-1989]

Wasn't he simply stating that the average lifespan of a PL manager was short, not that he was looking to bin one off after 2yrs?

Didnt he compare it other European leagues saying we need to get used to managers not being here that long?

Either way we have gone backwards since poch left who was doing a Great job 4/5 years he was here. Bringing in a short term option in Mourinho which was never going to last, so he’s part of the problem in mangers not last long.

 

[yido-1989]

The sky didn’t fall in overnight. Hopefully we are one day closer to appointing a decent manager to help take us forward. COYS

Good to be optimistic but it’s being on a downward path for a while now. Conte was a great manager and that’s the only reason we scrapped 4th last season, we knew he also wouldn’t be here long and soon as he left we have seen how bad we really are. There’s no joy in watching spurs since Poch has left.

 

[Nayim60yards]

I get your point that in lehmans terms we have a choice yes, but realistically we don’t. The club know that and that’s why they will never change

Layman's terms! Your version has me thinking of a mad Arsenal goalkeeper. Mind you we are basically chucking the ball into our own net so maybe you had it right the way you said it!

 

[kd2000]

I don't think Levy et Al appreciate the level of discontent within the fan base.
I have seen many fans saying they aren't renewing, and lots of fans who infrequently visit the stadium on match day saying they won't be attending a match next year.
There seems no urgency
No clear ideas
No thought for what comes next
No understanding of how the fans are feeling

 

[GMI]

I’m liking the more chilled and rational vibe in here this morning. Some good considered debating.

 

[YIDfromtheLANE]

In a roundabout way that's sort of my thinking but I think Potter would be the right coach for doing that. If you have the team playing as a team then finding players to suit that system becomes easier and the same goes for a new coach if necessary.

Two great thoughtful posts from you and RJR there.

Some thoughts to add to this….highly assuming Levy will implement a plan, not a sticking plaster.

The club has been left to drift, so broken and now so far away the strategy is a closer to a ground up build not an overnight fix or tweak that comes with a couple of appointments and buying and selling a few players.

A mid to long term plan will go through the gears, a project we now need with the acknowledgment it requires a fluid multi phased approach and patience.

That will involve a coach with the qualities and experience to lay the foundation, get the club playing the right way, imbed the philosophy and culture we want. That coach may well be the guy that takes it all the way. But for now maybe we would should be looking at appointing a guy that meets phase 1., rather than the guy that wins the lot.

Once a way of playing is in and around the club, the mood positive. Next phase is to pause and assess. Where have we got to, what is working, what needs attention and we come into implementing tweaks rather than wholesale change. Review the next set of challenges and who is best to navigate us to that step. May well be the same guy as phase 1. Maybe needs someone else?

Key to all of this is patience, periodic check ins to make an honest review of what is working and what has gone wrong, and what needs to be done to keep taking the club forward with a plan. And to stress not trying to find the next best thing now, which is a biggie.

its pretty much the Brighton way, we have better resources so would hope we can attract the right kind of people but it is all reliant on having a vision and plan…..that’s the crux I guess.

 

[Derryank]

I have very little optimism about our current situation and think the ITK we have had from Trix, Herc etc about Levy's meddling/chronic indecision is very likely to be accurate, but some of the catastrophising in here is too much. We aren't relegation candidates FFS

This can still be pulled around. But time is of the essence.

If its given to Potter or Rodgers though I am on the picket lines/holding a burning pitchfork

......IF Kane leaves too... we're absolutely relegation candidates. Look at the stats this season

 

[Dougal]

 

[easley91]

I would not be opposed to Potter. Chelsea this year have just been a colossal mess from top to bottom. I said when he went there he would have been better off waiting for the England job or staying at Brighton.

I do love how people are writing off his time at Brighton with De Zerbi having less than a full season. It's not like Potter left them fighting relegation is it? He laid the groundwork and De Zerbi took that and built upon it.

I feel like Chelsea was a one off bad case and would have been for anyone. Can't blame Potter for them not scoring goals when Lampard has had the same issue since the moment he took temporary charge. Boehly chucked a bunch of money and said "make that work in less than a season without a pre-season to get them to gel". Very few would have made it work post World Cup.

I'd be happy with Potter as I think he suits us and what we need better than Chelsea did.

 

[Tezza1978]

......IF Kane leaves too... we're absolutely relegation candidates. Look at the stats this season

Simply not the case. Statements like this play to the whole media narrative that Spurs are the "Harry Kane" team.

If Kane leaves we arent exactly not going to replace him or play with 10 men are we??

 

[ajspurs]

He’s not actually been linked though has he?

Not strongly. I think an article yesterday stated he may enter the frame but that was probably based on nothing but opinion, although I didn't read the article myself.

To be honest for me, almost everyone other than Nagelsmann are in the same bracket, all with equal pluses and negatives. Just a couple fall in a personal bracket below that, like Glasner and Amorim.

 

[greaves]

Simply not the case. Statements like this play to the whole media narrative that Spurs are the "Harry Kane" team.

If Kane leaves we arent exactly not going to replace him or play with 10 men are we??

Yep. It plays into the almost psychotic level of catastrophising, that is thankfully absent from SC.

 

[muppetman]

Simply not the case. Statements like this play to the whole media narrative that Spurs are the "Harry Kane" team.

If Kane leaves we arent exactly not going to replace him or play with 10 men are we??

We're not no, but we aren't going to replace him with someone who is top 5 in the world in his position either.

Which is why the talk of Slot wanting to sell Kane and Son to fund a rebuild just don't ring true for me. Any manager will want success and there is more chance of that with Kane than without.

I think we also, as a fanbase need to get behind the team if it is a proper rebuild. Lots of people talk about patience for a rebuild but just look at Chelsea, they brought in Potter to build a new identity for the long term and sacked him pretty damned quick (and haven't improve since doing so).

Of course, what's really needed is communication from the board about what the plan is, what the timescales are but that isn't going to happen its it?

 

[worcestersauce]

The thing with Potter is that I can't shake that aura of absolute cluelessness and incompetence he had on the touchline at Chelsea, like he had the look of a weak manager. Yet at the same time Chelsea are a mess so it's really hard to gauge that situation.

I would have been a lot more open to the prospect without that Chelsea stint.

I said when he went there the Chelsea fans will have to change their expectations and give him time as he is a builder, I knew they wouldn't, I thought Boehly knew that but it turns out he hasn't got a clue so he sacked him and hired Lampard which made Potter look like one of the best. Totally the wrong job for him.
We need someone who can create a team not a bunch of players playing by numbers as a group of of individuals.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I don't think Levy et Al appreciate the level of discontent within the fan base.
I have seen many fans saying they aren't renewing, and lots of fans who infrequently visit the stadium on match day saying they won't be attending a match next year.
There seems no urgency
No clear ideas
No thought for what comes next
No understanding of how the fans are feeling

Does Levy portray a "Dark" personality?

"An essential feature of “dark” personalities is that they are disconnected. They are trapped inside themselves in narcissistic isolation and find it difficult to take other people’s perspectives. As a result, they lack a clear sense of how their actions will be perceived, or of what type of behaviour is acceptable"

 

[tommo84]

Is it possible that the club’s sights are set on Slot, but knowing they’ll have to wait a year to get him, are now looking to (another) interim appointment?

It might explain plenty of things that otherwise seem bizarre. Or alternatively, they might just be bizarre.

Just wild supposition. No real grounds beyond bemusement for thinking this.

No - because Slot’s new contract means it wouldn’t be any easier to get him next year.

 

[Johnny J]

I would not be opposed to Potter. Chelsea this year have just been a colossal mess from top to bottom. I said when he went there he would have been better off waiting for the England job or staying at Brighton.

I do love how people are writing off his time at Brighton with De Zerbi having less than a full season. It's not like Potter left them fighting relegation is it? He laid the groundwork and De Zerbi took that and built upon it.

I feel like Chelsea was a one off bad case and would have been for anyone. Can't blame Potter for them not scoring goals when Lampard has had the same issue since the moment he took temporary charge. Boehly chucked a bunch of money and said "make that work in less than a season without a pre-season to get them to gel". Very few would have made it work post World Cup.

I'd be happy with Potter as I think he suits us and what we need better than Chelsea did.

I think there's absolutely zero chance the fans would accept yet another ex-Chelsea manager.

 

[Darth Vega]

I would not be opposed to Potter. Chelsea this year have just been a colossal mess from top to bottom. I said when he went there he would have been better off waiting for the England job or staying at Brighton.

I do love how people are writing off his time at Brighton with De Zerbi having less than a full season. It's not like Potter left them fighting relegation is it? He laid the groundwork and De Zerbi took that and built upon it.

I feel like Chelsea was a one off bad case and would have been for anyone. Can't blame Potter for them not scoring goals when Lampard has had the same issue since the moment he took temporary charge. Boehly chucked a bunch of money and said "make that work in less than a season without a pre-season to get them to gel". Very few would have made it work post World Cup.

I'd be happy with Potter as I think he suits us and what we need better than Chelsea did.

My issue with Potter is his personality. Our next coach needs to be someone who can pull together what is an incredibly fractured club and fanbase, someone we can all rally behind. A lot of us gravitated toward Slot for this reason, you could tell just from his manner that he had Poch vibes.

Potter ticks a lot of boxes tactically but he's just a bit too "year 9 geography teacher that can't control the classroom" for where we are at the moment, plus a lot of fans can't and won't countenance another ex-Chelsea boss.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Is it possible that the club’s sights are set on Slot, but knowing they’ll have to wait a year to get him, are now looking to (another) interim appointment?

It might explain plenty of things that otherwise seem bizarre. Or alternatively, they might just be bizarre.

Just wild supposition. No real grounds beyond bemusement for thinking this.

No mate we aren’t going to wait around for Slot that’s gone now, we will move onto a different target.

The crumb of comfort I have is that Slot on paper was everything the club needed so let’s hope and pray that Levy and Co have some similar targets they can identity and they don’t lurch to a completely different profile of manager. The key is also that they now pick one of the good options and get it done, the longer this drags on again the more issues we will have.

Im trying to stay vaguely positive given that Mason, Kane, the media, the pundits, the fans, every man and their dog is saying the same thing in terms of what the club needs so surely to goodness we stick to that brief, Masons comments give me the most hope as I think given our situation, him and Kane have a decent amount of influence on the direction the club should move next.

Question is just which managers left are attainable and fit that similar brief:

Best next 2 options by far:

•Ange Postecoglu - teams play very attacking attractive football and he’s a positive uplifting character, n.o1 best next fit for me and he’s worked with Munn before, Q is can we get him and does he want to leave.

•Julian Nagelsman - still a fantastic fantastic option, brilliant style of play, very talented young manager and would bring a lot of excitement to the club, Q is can we afford his buy out, are we open to a DofF to suit him and does he want to come or will he wait for a better opportunity?
Unfortunately realistically I don’t think we will get either so…
Then we move to the next rung of candidates:

•Ruben Amorim - style of play best described as ‘balanced’ but talented young coach for sure, knows Porro and his tactics suit our squad, Q is would we pay the 13mil buy out clause, WLB said he impressed in talks so we could pivot here but if we won’t pay the 20mil for Slot, I’m guessing we won’t be keen on 13mil for Amorim. If we did i get a gut feeling he’s probably like to come to us

•Luis Enrique - nice passing possession pressing style of play, out of a job and ready for a ‘project’ not sure his character is particularly uplifting or that he’s exactly the right fit for us and think he’s angling for the PSG job, but if we did go here I’d personally be ok with it, could work well with Gil, Lo Celso, Reguillon etc

Then we have a ton of other names and my order of preference would be something along the lines of:
•Gallardo: (but can’t see that happening)
•Fonseca : his teams play very tottenhamesque football, he’s a likeable guy, we nearly had him before. He probably isn’t interested anymore but if he was now Paratici is out the picture I think he could be a bit of a Poch type manager for us (can’t see it happening though
•T.Frank : I’ve thought about this and his Brentford team in the championship played really nice 4-3-3 football and he’s exactly the type of character to bring positivity back to the club but he’d have to cut out the long throws etc

Beyond that any of the below would be quite a disappointment all things considered:

•Lopetegui : has done a fine job with Wolves, knows the league a bit, might have to leave due to Wolves FFP issues. Not overly sold on his style of play but perhaps others who’ve seen his Sevilla sides play can say what he’d be like with better players than he has at Wolves.
•Potter/Rodgers : pros and cons of both, both play decent football, both out of work, both know the PL but I’m not too keen on either of their personalities and given the other names that we in theory could’ve got I’d be a bit disappointed if it was either of these. Don’t want Potter because it’s another ex-Chelsea and don’t think the fans would take to Rodgers. (Tbh I don’t think we will go for either of these 2)
•Marco Silva : I know a few people who work for Fulham and say so many good things about Silva. Fulham play a pretty nice 4-2-3-1 and he could be a bit of a Poch type where people turn their noses up a bit at the idea but he’s over performing with a lesser PL side, it could be a disaster and we’d be really scraping the barrel if it got to us considering him but from what I’ve heard from others he is very likeable and a very very good coach.

Random options which are very unlikely and/or quite risky:
-Carrick, Hansi Flick, Bielsa

I hope we don’t go for any of:
-Van Nistelrooy, Spaletti, Glasner, Galtier, William Still, Sergio Conceicao

Ones who’ve been rulled out, signed new contracts etc :
-Slot, Poch, Xabi Alonso, Kompany