Next Manager Watch

[Guntz]

Levy isn’t appointing Potter.

The optics will look horrendous.

He was Chelsea’s worst permanent manager of the modern era and they’ve sacked him to bring in our best manager of the modern era…

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Not strongly. I think an article yesterday stated he may enter the frame but that was probably based on nothing but opinion, although I didn't read the article myself.

To be honest for me, almost everyone other than Nagelsmann are in the same bracket, all with equal pluses and negatives. Just a couple fall in a personal bracket below that, like Glasner and Amorim.

For me Amorim is wayyyyyy better than Glasner but just my opinion.

 

[beats1]

I also don't understand Ange Postecoglou either. Other than 2 years at Celtic he hasn't done anything of note

I was concerned about Slot due to him being a coach who doesn't have much continental experience but he took Feyernoord to the ECL finals and EL quarters

Meanwhile other than his results in Scotland Ange, hasn't done anything in Europe drew with Shakhtar this year twice and the previous year he got a relatively hard EL group(this is me being kind as it was Betis and Leverkusen) and got knocked out in the ECL by Bodo/Glimt 5-1

I refer back to something said by Fergie, he could have gotten RVN from Heerenveen after his scouts said he is the real deal. Alex replied back saying he rather had paid the £15m extra to sign him from PSV as he was ready to make the step up, then sign him straight away for cheaper as he may have struggled to make the jump up at that stage of his development.

Ange maybe a great coach but he shouldn't be coaching Tottenham right now imo. Unless you happy to go back years to rebuild rather than rebuild with the promising talent we have Bentacur, Romero, Kulusevski, Porro and etc.

 

[only1waddle]

No mate we aren’t going to wait around for Slot that’s gone now, we will move onto a different target.

The crumb of comfort I have is that Slot on paper was everything the club needed so let’s hope and pray that Levy and Co have some similar targets they can identity and they don’t lurch to a completely different profile of manager. The key is also that they now pick one of the good options and get it done, the longer this drags on again the more issues we will have.

Im trying to stay vaguely positive given that Mason, Kane, the media, the pundits, the fans, every man and their dog is saying the same thing in terms of what the club needs so surely to goodness we stick to that brief, Masons comments give me the most hope as I think given our situation, him and Kane have a decent amount of influence on the direction the club should move next.

Question is just which managers left are attainable and fit that similar brief:

Best next 2 options by far:

•Ange Postecoglu - teams play very attacking attractive football and he’s a positive uplifting character, n.o1 best next fit for me and he’s worked with Munn before, Q is can we get him and does he want to leave.

•Julian Nagelsman - still a fantastic fantastic option, brilliant style of play, very talented young manager and would bring a lot of excitement to the club, Q is can we afford his buy out, are we open to a DofF to suit him and does he want to come or will he wait for a better opportunity?
Unfortunately realistically I don’t think we will get either so…
Then we move to the next rung of candidates:

•Ruben Amorim - style of play best described as ‘balanced’ but talented young coach for sure, knows Porro and his tactics suit our squad, Q is would we pay the 13mil buy out clause, WLB said he impressed in talks so we could pivot here but if we won’t pay the 20mil for Slot, I’m guessing we won’t be keen on 13mil for Amorim. If we did i get a gut feeling he’s probably like to come to us

•Luis Enrique - nice passing possession pressing style of play, out of a job and ready for a ‘project’ not sure his character is particularly uplifting or that he’s exactly the right fit for us and think he’s angling for the PSG job, but if we did go here I’d personally be ok with it, could work well with Gil, Lo Celso, Reguillon etc

Then we have a ton of other names and my order of preference would be something along the lines of:
•Gallardo: (but can’t see that happening)
•Fonseca : his teams play very tottenhamesque football, he’s a likeable guy, we nearly had him before. He probably isn’t interested anymore but if he was now Paratici is out the picture I think he could be a bit of a Poch type manager for us (can’t see it happening though
•T.Frank : I’ve thought about this and his Brentford team in the championship played really nice 4-3-3 football and he’s exactly the type of character to bring positivity back to the club but he’d have to cut out the long throws etc

Beyond that any of the below would be quite a disappointment all things considered:

•Lopetegui : has done a fine job with Wolves, knows the league a bit, might have to leave due to Wolves FFP issues. Not overly sold on his style of play but perhaps others who’ve seen his Sevilla sides play can say what he’d be like with better players than he has at Wolves.
•Potter/Rodgers : pros and cons of both, both play decent football, both out of work, both know the PL but I’m not too keen on either of their personalities and given the other names that we in theory could’ve got I’d be a bit disappointed if it was either of these. Don’t want Potter because it’s another ex-Chelsea and don’t think the fans would take to Rodgers. (Tbh I don’t think we will go for either of these 2)
•Marco Silva : I know a few people who work for Fulham and say so many good things about Silva. Fulham play a pretty nice 4-2-3-1 and he could be a bit of a Poch type where people turn their noses up a bit at the idea but he’s over performing with a lesser PL side, it could be a disaster and we’d be really scraping the barrel if it got to us considering him but from what I’ve heard from others he is very likeable and a very very good coach.

Random options which are very unlikely and/or quite risky:
-Carrick, Hansi Flick

No interested at all in any of:
-Van Nistelrooy, Spaletti, Glasner, Galtier, William Still, Sergio Conceicao

Ones who’ve been rulled out, signed new contracts etc :
-Slot, Xabi Alonso, Kompany

Nice post, pretty much where we are bar a wildcard being pulled out of the hat.

 

[ajspurs]

For me Amorim is wayyyyyy better than Glasner but just my opinion.

I think he is too, but it's the type of manager he is that has me have him in a lower bracket. I really want us to appoint someone with a more attacking philosophy.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I also don't understand Ange Postecoglou either. Other than 2 years at Celtic he hasn't done anything of note

I was concerned about Slot due to him being a coach who doesn't have much continental experience but he took Feyernoord to the ECL finals and EL quarters

Meanwhile other than his results in Scotland Ange, hasn't done anything in Europe drew with Shakhtar this year twice and the previous year he got a relatively hard EL group(this is me being kind as it was Betis and Leverkusen) and got knocked out in the ECL by Bodo/Glimt 5-1

I refer back to something said by Fergie, he could have gotten RVN from Heerenveen after his scouts said he is the real deal. Alex replied back saying he rather had paid the £15m extra to sign him from PSV as he was ready to make the step up, then sign him straight away for cheaper as he may have struggled to make the jump up at that stage of his development.

Ange maybe a great coach but he shouldn't be coaching Tottenham right now imo. Unless you happy to go back years to rebuild rather than rebuild with the promising talent we have Bentacur, Romero, Kulusevski, Porro and etc.

Fair points but i think his style of play and personality are exactly what we need and those two things are very important.

Also Celtic aren’t what they used to be so I’d ignore his European record as Celtic are not a strong side compared to most European leagues/teams and that’s been the case for quite a while now.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think he is too, but it's the type of manager he is that has me have him in a lower bracket. I really want us to appoint someone with a more attacking philosophy.

Ah ok yes completely agree mate, although looking at the options available, if we can’t get JN or Big Ange then I think Amorim would be a better choice than for example the likes of Potter, Rodgers, T.Frank etc

 

[WorthATry]

Ange maybe a great coach but he shouldn't be coaching Tottenham right now imo. Unless you happy to go back years to rebuild rather than rebuild with the promising talent we have Bentacur, Romero, Kulusevski, Porro and etc.

Why do you think Ange can't do the latter?

 

[Metalhead]

I think more and more a managers personality and how they carry themselves is becoming a key aspect in how they’re judged by fan bases. Not sure if it’s the world we live in or if it’s always been like that. I’m guilty of it too because I don’t want Rodgers because I simply don’t like him.

Thinking about Tottenham and the three most “successful” managers here under enic, Jol was really likeable, Redknapp less so but a big personality, Poch a really likeable nice guy. Then you’ve got Nuno, AVB, Mason, Ramos who were all really bland and boring. And Conte, Sherwood and Jose who were not very likeable especially when things were going wrong. I’m not sure if it’s the same with other clubs but maybe there’s something in it here, that the manager has to be loved by the fans as a person.

It has to be a factor.

 

[Albertbarich]

Anyone else really struggling with the Nagelsmann situation.

The guys a coaching prodigy, arguably a genius and is available. Meanwhile we have gone out of our way to stress we don't want him and are now being linked with people not fit to lace his boots.

What the hell are they playing at? Get a DOF he wants and then give him whatever else he needs. It's insane were throwing darts around in the dark whilst he is sitting there.

 

[Tucker]

My issue with Potter is his personality. Our next coach needs to be someone who can pull together what is an incredibly fractured club and fanbase, someone we can all rally behind. A lot of us gravitated toward Slot for this reason, you could tell just from his manner that he had Poch vibes.

Potter ticks a lot of boxes tactically but he's just a bit too "year 9 geography teacher that can't control the classroom" for where we are at the moment, plus a lot of fans can't and won't countenance another ex-Chelsea boss.

I don’t agree with this assessment of his personality at all. He was lauded for his ability to elevate the players at Brighton and Swansea to a higher level.

He is very much sports psychology driven etc. I don’t have any worries about his ability to get his players to be driven and motivated.

My concerns are with his teams ability to create chances.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think more and more a managers personality and how they carry themselves is becoming a key aspect in how they’re judged by fan bases. Not sure if it’s the world we live in or if it’s always been like that. I’m guilty of it too because I don’t want Rodgers because I simply don’t like him.

Thinking about Tottenham and the three most “successful” managers here under enic, Jol was really likeable, Redknapp less so but a big personality, Poch a really likeable nice guy. Then you’ve got Nuno, AVB, Mason, Ramos who were all really bland and boring. And Conte, Sherwood and Jose who were not very likeable especially when things were going wrong. I’m not sure if it’s the same with other clubs but maybe there’s something in it here, that the manager has to be loved by the fans as a person.

So simple but actually imo such an important point you make.

There is so much media attention and everyone more than every is searching for that dopamine hit and feel good factor so personality and likeability especially in our case in order to lift and galvanise the club and fans is extremely important.

As you say Jol, Redknapp, Poch our best 3 managers of the last 20-30 years were also the 3 most genuine and likeable.

Obviously they need to be a good coach too but Conte and Jose are good coaches but they were terrible fits, Nuno was dour and an average at best coach so we’ve really got it very wrong with the last 3.

 

[Stavrogin]

They had strength of character granted, I should have elaborated and said a sunnier nature with a strength of character, which Ange has, but doesn't take shit either.

I think this is one aspect that we can't ever really understand. As much as we speculate, we don't really know the psychology of the players or how managers really are in the interpersonal relations.

Maybe Potter is able to communicate with the players in a way that we might not imagine.

 

[kent brockman]

its pretty much the Brighton way, we have better resources so would hope we can attract the right kind of people but it is all reliant on having a vision and plan…..that’s the crux I guess.

We really should try to poach Brighton’s recruitment team. Imagine what they could do at a club like Spurs.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Anyone else really struggling with the Nagelsmann situation.

The guys a coaching prodigy, arguably a genius and is available. Meanwhile we have gone out of our way to stress we don't want him and are now being linked with people not fit to lace his boots.

What the hell are they playing at? Get a DOF he wants and then give him whatever else he needs. It's insane were throwing darts around in the dark whilst he is sitting there.

Yea it’s so strange mate, it’s a complete no brainer, Ragnick has advocated JN for the job and talked it up but we’ve clearly explored it and said thanks but no thanks, surely a control and money issue.

I think the buy out from Bayern is pretty huge because of his massive contract he’s still on so it could be that or could be that we don’t agree on a DofF he wants but that’s a shame because a German style DofF like Ragnick or one of his deciples along with JN would be perfect for us.

Levy has spend big on managers before so something clearly isn’t aligning on this one which is a huge shame.

 

[Japhet]

Anyone else really struggling with the Nagelsmann situation.

The guys a coaching prodigy, arguably a genius and is available. Meanwhile we have gone out of our way to stress we don't want him and are now being linked with people not fit to lace his boots.

What the hell are they playing at? Get a DOF he wants and then give him whatever else he needs. It's insane were throwing darts around in the dark whilst he is sitting there.

Being as we obviously need a major overhaul we will need to be attracting some quality players. Much as I have nothing against some of the other candidates, Nagelsmann is the one who will be most attractive to potential signings. This has really been the case from the off and yet Levy has somehow managed to make it look like a proper long shot now. Absolute PR clusterfuck.

 

[Albertbarich]

Yea it’s so strange mate, it’s a complete no brainer, Ragnick has advocated JN for the job and talked it up but we’ve clearly explored it and said thanks but no thanks, surely a control and money issue.

I think the buy out from Bayern is pretty huge because of his massive contract he’s still on so it could be that or could be that we don’t agree on a DofF he wants but that’s a shame because a German style DofF like Ragnick or one of his deciples along with JN would be perfect for us.

Levy has spend big on managers before so something clearly isn’t aligning on this one which is a huge shame.

Him being free clouds every other manager out there because he is so far above them.

 

[y1dk1d]

Thing is, I wouldn’t be massively surprised to see this follow the exact same trend as 2021.

Obviosuly we all know how terrible that summer was. But at the time, I actually had a bit of respect for Daniel. He actually accepted how much of a mistake Nuno was, sacked him, and within hours we were in advanced negotiations with one of the best managers in the world and put him on one of the most lucrative contracts. He made a lot of mistakes that summer but it was almost as if he said “ok I’ve fucked this up and now I’m putting it right”, after already pissing Conte off in original negotiations.

I can see it happening again. We get someone in, be it Rodgers/Ange/whoever, and come November we’re doing very poorly in the league and the fan base is generally fuming. We sack whoever it is and again Levy goes all out for Nagelsmann and gets him in. But to do that twice is embarrassing and I won’t be having it

 

[only1waddle]

Anyone else really struggling with the Nagelsmann situation.

The guys a coaching prodigy, arguably a genius and is available. Meanwhile we have gone out of our way to stress we don't want him and are now being linked with people not fit to lace his boots.

What the hell are they playing at? Get a DOF he wants and then give him whatever else he needs. It's insane were throwing darts around in the dark whilst he is sitting there.

My guess is we're going down a certain path, ala Brighton/Brentford and Nagelsmann wants assurances and more control of transfers, and maybe a say in the DOF.
It's commendable that we might actually have a plan, albeit copied, but sods law it's when someone like Nagelsmann becomes available and the visions clash and Levy won't budge.

or

Nagelsmann didn't like the sound of our vision/structure/Levy and is content to wait for a serious football club/chairperson to approach him.

 

[Flobadob]

Nagelsmann’s buyout clause ends this summer right? Or did I imagine someone saying that?