Next Manager Watch

[neogenisis]

Doesn't matter who the next manager is.

I've never been this pessimistic about the future of our club.

The issue is at the top! Several of us have tried to tell you all on so many occasions and some still struggle to see the real issue.

We have no plan! We won't change the way we operate, so we will continue to fall short and actually fall even further behind due to other clubs now willing to spend far more than us.

I honestly couldn't care less who the next manager is because in 18 months, we will be having the same discussion again.

I have always been a supporter of Conte staying, but it really doesn't matter anymore because he isn't going to get the backing he needs. So if he stays, with the squad he has, we will continue to see the turgid football we've seen since his appointment.

When he goes, he will be replaced by a project manager who will get us playing more attractive football. The fans will be happy but then the same issues will arise, fan unrest will grow and Levy will sack that manager and repeat.

The only way out of this cycle is if we are subject to a takeover and Levy gets out of the club.

Appreciate all of that mate and I understand it all. But the reality is, if it isnt going to change all we can do is strap in and try to enjoy the ride. I would love a fresh start from the top down but it doesn't look like its going to happen so all we can really do is moan about the manager and players we did/didn't sign.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Watching United tonight makes me very very sad we didn't go with Ten Hag

 

[hutchiniho]

Appreciate all of that mate and I understand it all. But the reality is, if it isnt going to change all we can do is strap in and try to enjoy the ride. I would love a fresh start from the top down but it doesn't look like its going to happen so all we can really do is moan about the manager and players we did/didn't sign.

Agree with the opening.
If the operational management isn’t going to change we must find a manager that can work with and improve what we have and what we can sign within these limitations.
We have spent a lot of money recently and have some very good players.
Sure we’re missing a ton CB but this squad should be doing better than they are.
I would concede that medium and long term plans should be there, to maximse progress and successes on the pitch.
Starting with a young, intelligent manager that has the ability to make a group of players perform to a level above the sum of the parts.

 

[mil1lion]

But they they get into Sherwood’s team from 2014? Because that was the starting point which Poch built from.

Also a number of those players who were great were developed by Poch. There's no point people trying to compare young players we have now with the players that developed under Poch. It's better to compare young Porro, Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma, Richarlison, Kulusevski to young Eriksen, Dembele, Vertonghen, Rose, Walker. They all became better under Poch so I would be hopeful that Poch can develop the young to mid 20s players we have now. It's funny because where Poch tried the PSG model and it didn't work we also tried that model with Conte/Jose and it also didn't work. You would have to say really that Conte suits PSG and Poch suits us better than the other way around.

 

[mr ashley]

Watching United tonight makes me very very sad we didn't go with Ten Hag

It was an inexplicable decision.
he was the most able to replicate the setup under poch, with flexibility in his approach and an ability to improve players. The Ajax connection would have been useful too.
The fact that he didn’t interview well reflects more on those asking the questions tbh.

 

[DFF]

Anyone else looking forward to Poch trying to reintegrate Ndombele and Lo Celso out of pure stubbornness, as they were his buys? No, me neither…

 

[rossdapep]

Here is my view:

Unless something has drastically changed, I assume Poch would be coming back and refuse to have a DoF.

Like last time, he’d de-prioritise the domestic cups and “concentrate” on the League and Europe.

He’s unlikely to be given a slew of new players and Id expect us to be lining up with Dier, Davies and possibly Sanchez next season.

We’d likely end up 6th/7th in the league under these circumstances.

Poch fans on SC will be working overtime to tell others that 6th/7th has been a “success” because the football has been “more enjoyable and with someone I feel a connection with”.

Anti-Poch fans on SC will be baying for blood screaming that we “haven’t improved”.

All the while, Levy will be working on expanding the property portfolio and focusing on bringing more concerts in.

I think Poch would last 2.5 seasons having been unable to produce anything discernibly successful because Levy will continue to not wholly and consistently back our managers to challenge for top honours.

……..and then we’ll do it all again….

To be fair to Poch we reached
1 League Cup final
1 League cup semi
2 FA Cup semi finals
1 CL final

In just 5 years

So, whilst he did say CL and PL were more important it's not like he binned them off.

Also either side of him we have largely been shocking in all cups

 

[ljinko888]

If Poch wants it give it to him. I think he will bring the instant feel good factor back to get into the top four which is still in our reach now but we can't afford to drop too many more points.

 

[rossdapep]

Doesn't matter who the next manager is.

I've never been this pessimistic about the future of our club.

The issue is at the top! Several of us have tried to tell you all on so many occasions and some still struggle to see the real issue.

We have no plan! We won't change the way we operate, so we will continue to fall short and actually fall even further behind due to other clubs now willing to spend far more than us.

I honestly couldn't care less who the next manager is because in 18 months, we will be having the same discussion again.

I have always been a supporter of Conte staying, but it really doesn't matter anymore because he isn't going to get the backing he needs. So if he stays, with the squad he has, we will continue to see the turgid football we've seen since his appointment.

When he goes, he will be replaced by a project manager who will get us playing more attractive football. The fans will be happy but then the same issues will arise, fan unrest will grow and Levy will sack that manager and repeat.

The only way out of this cycle is if we are subject to a takeover and Levy gets out of the club.

Sure, I do think all of that is very likely and the majority do know who is the problem.

But do you think Levy would sack Poch again?

He really shouldn't be getting away with these bad appointments and the last time he fired Poch fans were more sad than angry.

However, I believe if he was in a situation where Poch needed firing again, the fanbase would erupt with fury.

 

[alpha]

To be fair to Poch we reached
1 League Cup final
1 League cup semi
2 FA Cup semi finals
1 CL final

In just 5 years

So, whilst he did say CL and PL were more important it's not like he binned them off.

Also either side of him we have largely been shocking in all cups

That suggests Poch is our only hope.

 

[Harrier]

If it’s interim like it has been suggested, then Tuchel.

What a disaster that would be!

The man could fall out with his own shadow!

 

[spurs9]

Watching United tonight makes me very very sad we didn't go with Ten Hag

As someone who desperately wanted us to appoint ETH and being told he was another Frank de Boer, I feel like Gallardo equivalent potential this time round.

One of those that is so perfect for us that you just know Levy won't pull the trigger.

 

[ljinko888]

Anyone else looking forward to Poch trying to reintegrate Ndombele and Lo Celso out of pure stubbornness, as they were his buys? No, me neither…

He barely got to use either of them the first time. I still hope there's a player in Ndombele for that 2015-18 brand of football. My concern about him is whether the motivation is completely gone now. Lo Celso I don't think will make it unless he gets moulded into a Lamela type player.

 

[Phil_2.0]

If Pochettino does come back it will be special. I can't believe he loves this crazy batshit club so much he's willing to come back and has always been briefing in the press that hes desperate to come back.

I just want it to work out so badly.

 

[spurs9]

Personally, I think Tuchel will be "out of the frying pan and into the fire".

Carrick and Kompany are doing very well so far, but it's been less than a season and Farke and Parker also did well for a season in that league. They need to prove it for longer to get a team at our level.

Poch, I would love for him to come back one day, he was our best manager in my lifetime but I don't think now is the time and I doubt he nor the club has learnt enough since.

Frank would be no better than we are now.

De Zebri has done well in a short time in a club with a clear plan/vision/set up, building on the previous "success" and I just don't think he would work well here.

For me it has to be Gallardo, he plays good football and was successful in all of the chaos that is River Plate.

 

[Harrier]

That suggests Pooh is our only hope.

 

[easley91]

That suggests Pooh is our only hope.

Will he bring Piglet in as assistant?

 

[Dazza71]

The last time we wanted Poch back we couldn't get him out of his PSG contract. This might be the last time it lines up. Also if we overlook him when he is free and interested then he might get bloody minded and never want to return.

I think he will have one more crack managing in the PL and don't want to see him in charge at Chelsea or West Ham.

 

[HildoSpur]

Watching United tonight makes me very very sad we didn't go with Ten Hag

He would have been a failure here because he wouldn't have got anywhere near the backing he got at Utd.

 

[SpursJord]

Watching United tonight makes me very very sad we didn't go with Ten Hag

I don't think it really matters because he wouldn't have been backed at Spurs like he has and will be by Man Utd. Therefore results would be different.

On Pochettino I keep hearing about this feel good factor with him coming back, how much will there be one? How will the players he wanted to sell feel about it? What happens if we don't back him with CBs and or the players we need which could be likely knowing this board and he goes on a real poor start to the new season? This has all the ingredients to just become one hell of a problem that will cause further problems.