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Adam456

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I didn't excuse Conte. And I'm not disagreeing with your point about passive tactics.

But the players I'm pointing to are fundamental to providing the creative edge. We have to have more creative (not necessarily "attacking") options in the squad.
Fair enough. As I say I think it's just much easier to be creative when you pass and move quickly and fluidly. It doesn't then rely on a few players. To me, whatever we call the current system only works now and again and if we miss a really miss a few players so badly then we really are miles away (we need upgrades across the other 6-7 players AND extra depth) - and I just don't think that's the case. We have quality in all areas except perhaps LWB and we need better CAM and CB backup
 

robotsonic

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I think in theory it's a good idea, but it leaves very little room for error with recruitment. I think It will eventually fail for Brighton just like it did with Southampton, since to get the best value for your players you would need to be selling to the Premier League, which means for us selling to our rivals and strengthening them. It works for the like of Dortmund, Sporting, Leipzig, etc as they have the luxury of selling to Premier League and getting their best players away from rivals.
Agree with this tbh.

We had our time operating like that and sold our players on to Man Utd and Madrid along the way to where we are now. But now we aspire to compete with Man Utd and Madrid, so where are they going? City? There is no way that this model scales up imo when you're looking to get to the top table because the only clubs you can sell to are at the table you want to get to.
 

nico97531

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Fair enough. As I say I think it's just much easier to be creative when you pass and move quickly and fluidly. It doesn't then rely on a few players. To me, whatever we call the current system only works now and again and if we miss a really miss a few players so badly then we really are miles away (we need upgrades across the other 6-7 players AND extra depth) - and I just don't think that's the case. We have quality in all areas except perhaps LWB and we need better CAM and CB backup
We do have the numbers but definitely not quality in all areas, no one else is good enough to replace Romero without dropping our performance level, the other two starting CB are not good enough themselves, let alone their replacements. We are 1 injury to deki away from having an ineffective RW. So yes, we do need 6-7 good players if we are looking to challenge and that’s not even counting the possibility of Kane leaving in the summer and Son’s decline. Which needs to happen with or without Conte staying IMO.
 

allatsea

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I actually think Potter would be a great fit for the England job once Southgate moves on.
Not sure about that. His system of play seems to require considerable practice and buy in from his players. Will he get the time for the amount of practice he requires and will all of the players buy in ?
 

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I presume that 'Il Mattino' is a Italian paper? They are reporting that we could be interested in Luciano Spalletti. I know nothing about him but I'm sure his name comes up every time we need a new manager.
 

RuskyM

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I presume that 'Il Mattino' is a Italian paper? They are reporting that we could be interested in Luciano Spalletti. I know nothing about him but I'm sure his name comes up every time we need a new manager.
We were linked with him post AVB iirc, but he's about to win the league and probably could do better. He's arguably the best manager in Europe right now though, which at 63 is quite impressive.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Interesting article on why Man.U went for Ten Haag, especially the screenshot quote about the requirements.

If it’s true that summer which we ended up with Nuno and Levy said Ten Haag was a strange character and not a good fit for Tottenham then that says everything as to why we continue to have issues.

We should’ve had a similar criteria to this for hiring our next managers and hired on one who is a good fit.

Tons of us were so keen on Ten Haag, very very disappointing we didn’t get him and let’s hope and pray if Conte leaves this summer we find someone who is the right fit, either Poch back or whoever else.


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Zaphod

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We were linked with him post AVB iirc, but he's about to win the league and probably could do better. He's arguably the best manager in Europe right now though, which at 63 is quite impressive.

Pfft. We'd soon knock that sort of thing out of him.
 

mr ashley

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Interesting article on why Man.U went for Ten Haag, especially the screenshot quote about the requirements.

If it’s true that summer which we ended up with Nuno and Levy said Ten Haag was a strange character and not a good fit for Tottenham then that says everything as to why we continue to have issues.

We should’ve had a similar criteria to this for hiring our next managers and hired on one who is a good fit.

Tons of us were so keen on Ten Haag, very very disappointing we didn’t get him and let’s hope and pray if Conte leaves this summer we find someone who is the right fit, either Poch back or whoever else.


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Scandalous that if we had a criteria it didn’t match that, based on the poch era.
Obviously you’d have to change the final question to something like ‘did he have the strength of character to deal with levy on a daily basis?’

I guess all that took place whilst ralf rangnick was there.
 

Guntz

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I presume that 'Il Mattino' is a Italian paper? They are reporting that we could be interested in Luciano Spalletti. I know nothing about him but I'm sure his name comes up every time we need a new manager.

If we're being brutally honest, why would he downgrade?

Napoli are absolutely flying.
 

piedpiper

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But Trix….what about the XG??? ?
I saw a stat somewhere.....

Chelsea goals since 1 January 4 goals
Real Madrid vs Liverpool 5 goals.

Not sure how true that is but it's damning as the XG fans believed he just needed strikers at Brightin but his successor with pretty much Potters old squad is the 4th highest scorers in the league.
 

piedpiper

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Question..

Does anyone think if Conte stays we drastically improve next season?

I mean I presume the defence of him is that he has awful defenders.

Do we believe the chairman spends enough to get two top class centre backs and a new keeper? Is that likely?

I must admit I've grown so frustrated with the awful football I've had enough and I find it exhausting trying to justify defending him to myself when our games make me want to pull my eyes out.

So I'm intrigued if those who very much believe he is the answer think that next season would be a different story. In really struggling to even be open to another season of negative football.
Even if he got those players you mention.... I suspect we'd still play this boring bland football and we wouldn't be pulling out trees.....then pro Conte supporters would say he doesn't have quality in depth.
 

Radiant

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The problem with Conte and his inability to adapt is his system relies on the opposition having the majority of possession and countering, but this season we've been found out. Teams are happy to let us have the ball and do nothing with it, they know we're our own worst enemy. We're the footballing equivalent of the Tory government.
 

Ghost Hardware

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If we're being brutally honest, why would he downgrade?

Napoli are absolutely flying.
I don’t think there’s any truth whatsoever in that story. I also think it’s a case where the coach matches the team mentality perfectly. Spalleti is a very good manager but he’s also a nutter and I’m not entirely sure he would work in the PL. I also can’t see him and Levy getting on at all. He’s also not a project manager and doesn’t stay anywhere very long. After Conte I just don’t see it, tactically yes he would fit us well but aside from that it isn’t a very logical appointment.
 

piedpiper

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Scandalous that if we had a criteria it didn’t match that, based on the poch era.
Obviously you’d have to change the final question to something like ‘did he have the strength of character to deal with levy on a daily basis?’

I guess all that took place whilst ralf rangnick was there.
Ten Hag was such an obvious choice post Jose..... crazy that he wasn't considered.
 

McFlash

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Fair enough. As I say I think it's just much easier to be creative when you pass and move quickly and fluidly. It doesn't then rely on a few players. To me, whatever we call the current system only works now and again and if we miss a really miss a few players so badly then we really are miles away (we need upgrades across the other 6-7 players AND extra depth) - and I just don't think that's the case. We have quality in all areas except perhaps LWB and we need better CAM and CB backup
We don't need CB backup, we need 2 starters, along with a keeper and another attacking option for the right.
 
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