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[HedgieSpur]

Or opponents knowing exactly how we will set up and play, and then have all week to prepare for it. So many teams seem to have worked out how to play us now, and that's no surprise because there are hours and hours of exactly the same stuff from us for them to use in prep.

….and yet 2/3rds of said opponents didn’t “work us out” sufficiently enough to beat us.

 

[Mark_147]

Or opponents knowing exactly how we will set up and play, and then have all week to prepare for it. So many teams seem to have worked out how to play us now, and that's no surprise because there are hours and hours of exactly the same stuff from us for them to use in prep.

And yet we are in the same position in the table where we finished last season, 90 minutes away from the FA Cup QF and 90 minutes away from the QF of the CL. This time last season we were down to playing 1 game a week in the PL.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

….and yet 2/3rds of said opponents didn’t “work us out” sufficiently enough to beat us.

you get by against the poorer teams just about but against the top teams taking the customary beating of City apart we haven't got near them

 

[Japhet]

And yet we are in the same position in the table where we finished last season, 90 minutes away from the FA Cup QF and 90 minutes away from the QF of the CL. This time last season we were down to playing 1 game a week in the PL.

If you're happy with what you're seeing I can live with that. I personally think a bit of variation could make us stronger. No big deal.

 

[rossdapep]

From memory we rode our luck in the first leg, and in the first half of the second leg. It was only after an inspiring half time speech from Harry Kane that we began to dominate.
seem to remember us missing a sitter at some point but I think that led to the second goal from Lucas.

First half of first leg they were all over us.

Could easily have gone 3 down.

Second half we gained a bit of control but couldn't threaten enough.

Second leg they came out the traps and we looked doomed. But we did wrestle control a bit quicker and start to prod and probe, whereas most of their best moments came on the counter which was to be expected considering we were 3 down.

I do think the second leg we were marginally the better team but I think its clouded by the fact we were effectively down and out and because we had to throw everything at it, Ajax could catch us on the counter and still get good chances.

I believe that that strong mentality that Poch has instilled in the team got us to the final. Performances weren't particularly great but we kept finding ways.

I think that's often overlooked when people say "we were dreadful in Poch's last year" and "papering over cracks".

That's partly true but if it wasn't for Poch's instilled mentality we would have ended that season 10th and lost against City.

That summer should have seen a major overhaul. 6 or 7 new faces, 5 or 6 out.

That was our very last chance under Poch and he knew it.

 

[Mark_147]

If you're happy with what you're seeing I can live with that. I personally think a bit of variation could make us stronger. No big deal.

Rome wasn't built in a day, just ask Arsenal fans. 8th 8th 5th now top.

 

[rossdapep]

We need the next Poch, move forward

I strongly believe this.

Most clubs now need to choose something fresh and go their own way.

Don't hire a coach cause he's simply a 'winner'.

Don't hire a coach cause he simply plays good football.

Don't hire an old flame because he gave us great times and had us punching.

Hire a coach based on a number of factors.
Strategy/strategies they use?
Have they had success?
What about their team's stats and data?
Can they work under the constraints set?

From these factors ask questions of what you are looking for and then see who matches up.

I think as recent as 2014, you could hire a coach cause he's a winner and if you had quality players.

Now that just doesn't work. You need a clear stratgy that everyone is aligned with.

 

[spurs9]

Rome wasn't built in a day, just ask Arsenal fans. 8th 8th 5th now top.

The problem with the "rome wasn't built in a day" line of thought with Conte, is we are 1.5 season in, with a manager that has never been at a club longer than 3 seasons, who's contract runs out at the end of the season, has had 3 close friends pass away, had health problems himself and apparently misses home.

 

[spursfan1991]

Rome wasn't built in a day, just ask Arsenal fans. 8th 8th 5th now top.

Arteta didnt sign a 18 month contract

 

[spurs9]

I strongly believe this.

Most clubs now need to choose something fresh and go their own way.

Don't hire a coach cause he's simply a 'winner'.

Don't hire a coach cause he simply plays good football.

Don't hire an old flame because he gave us great times and had us punching.

Hire a coach based on a number of factors.
Strategy/strategies they use?
Have they had success?
What about their team's stats and data?
Can they work under the constraints set?

From these factors ask questions of what you are looking for and then see who matches up.

I think as recent as 2014, you could hire a coach cause he's a winner and if you had quality players.

Now that just doesn't work. You need a clear stratgy that everyone is aligned with.

This is the problem, Levy interfering and Paratici wanting a defensive style coach.

 

[Mark_147]

The problem with the "rome wasn't built in a day" line of thought with Conte, is we are 1.5 season in, with a manager that has never been at a club longer than 3 seasons, who's contract runs out at the end of the season, has had 3 close friends pass away, had health problems himself and apparently misses home.

All of that is irrelevant as we are talking about what the the football should look like 1.5 seasons into his reign.

 

[Mark_147]

Arteta didnt sign a 18 month contract

Correct and the Arsenal fans wished he did 18 months into his reign.

 

[DiVaio]

Rome wasn't built in a day, just ask Arsenal fans. 8th 8th 5th now top.

They were showing smaller or bigger sort of progress either in just basic points or more underlying data during this 3 seasons. For us this is complete opposite, we have regressed.

 

[spurs9]

All of that is irrelevant as we are talking about what the the football should look like 1.5 seasons into his reign.

It is absolutely relevant, you can't judge a short term manager by the conditions of a project manager, just as you shouldn't judge a project manager on the short term picture.

 

[Mark_147]

They were showing smaller or bigger sort of progress either in just basic points or more underlying data during this 3 seasons. For us this is complete opposite, we have regressed.

I'm sorry but Arsenal were awful in Arteta's first 18 months and their fanbase were even calling for his head last season when they finished 5th.They actually regressed from Emery. Now you say we have regressed but we are maintaining the same position in the table where we finished last season and have 2 extra competitions to contend with as opposed to last season and have had a shit load of injuries as well. We got knocked out of the conference league group stage when conte took over now we are 90 minutes from the CL QF. If that's regression I'll take it all day long.

 

[Reece_Spurs]

I might be wrong but didn't one of our itks say Ten Hag didn't interview well and lacked personality and charisma so we decided to move on from him? Something to that effect i'm sure..

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

In that Ajax semi when we had 4.2 expected goals to 1.6 xG for Ajax?

Xg is bollocks anyone who watched those two legs knows Ajax battered us and deserved to go through, a wonder hat trick from Lucas saved us.

Ten Haag is the one we should’ve got after Poch, would’ve suited us so well.

 

[HedgieSpur]

No issue with fans saying our football is boring or turgid or worse than last year but saying “we’ve regressed” is inaccurate imo

 

[Albertbarich]

No issue with fans saying our football is boring or turgid or worse than last year but saying “we’ve regressed” is inaccurate imo

I think it comes from this constant feed of negativity

And I'm sure some will say well that's what you're looking for but there is a stage where the awful football along with the refusal to commit long-term that leads to feelings of he thinks we should be grateful he is here and on top of that the rotten luck we and especially he has had this year and it feels like the season is a war of attrition from week to week.

Huge parts of the fanbase don't like it trust the owners, nobody knows if our DOF is a crook and if he can be here for long and the manager won't commit. Of course it feels like we're regressing when we hardly ever play well.

But on the flip side of this people are right to say we have a guy with huge pedigree, were fourth, in the champions League and the FA cup so we should just get on with it

I feel really negative myself but I can one hundred percent see both sides.

 

[spursfan1991]

I do think Spurs have regressed.

We had an easy draw in the Cl but scraped through. We have had an easy draw in the FA Cup too. Chelsea and Liverpool have been a shambles which has allowed us to be in top 4. Man City wont be getting 90+ plus points this year either.

We finished above Arsenal last season despite having a quarter of the season off. Levy did buy him some players in the summer so we should be at least where Man U are and should be challenging for the title but we arent.

Conte has failed this season. Massive opportunity missed. It is only out of sympathy that he still has a job.