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[djhotspur]

I do think Spurs have regressed.

We had an easy draw in the Cl but scraped through. We have had an easy draw in the FA Cup too. Chelsea and Liverpool have been a shambles which has allowed us to be in top 4. Man City wont be getting 90+ plus points this either.

We finished above Arsenal last season despite having a quarter of the season off. Levy did buy him some players in the summer so we should be at least where Man U are and should be challenging for the title but we arent.

Conte has failed this season. Massive opportunity missed.

Really? We have a passed it keeper making countless mistakes, we have had to put out defenders that are relegation quality, or championship quality, we have had an issue crisis which lead to a game where we had 1 recognised fit forward in Kane for a game, we’ve had to play a LWB who is passed it, lost our key CM for weeks and now lost him again with an ACL,
All this whilst battling the loss our fitness coach who died suddenly, plus a World Cup in the middle so a jam packed schedule, champions league etc.
You say we should be challenging for the title, yet our cbs, gk etc are mo where near title challenging quality, our key creative forward was out for month.
Arsensl look excellent, but I reckon they’d be at least 10-12 points worse off if they had champions league to contend with.
Conte got that side hugely over performing last season which lead you into thinking we were better than we are.

 

[rossdapep]

I might be wrong but didn't one of our itks say Ten Hag didn't interview well and lacked personality and charisma so we decided to move on from him? Something to that effect i'm sure..

Yeah and someone else - Trix I think - said that Levy is likely to listen to the last person he speaks to.

So whoever was in that room that day, may have helped sway his decision.

Another issue I believe is that modern coaches tend to be more robotic, less charismatic and like to talk more about strategy.

All of that will be lost on people like Levy, Collecott and Cullen.

That's why it should only ever be the sporting people and THEN when the interviews and everything have been conducted, they report to the president/CEO who listens and is to be convinced on who he should sign off on.

 

[DiVaio]

Xg is bollocks anyone who watched those two legs knows Ajax battered us and deserved to go through, a wonder hat trick from Lucas saved us.

Ten Haag is the one we should’ve got after Poch, would’ve suited us so well.

Sure, they were better than us in first game. In what way they were battering us in second game though? If it wasn't from Lucas, then we had another 3-4 good chances.

It's Ten Hag, not Ten Haag btw.

Now you say we have regressed but we are maintaining the same position in the table where we finished last season and have 2 extra competitions to contend with as opposed to last season and have had a shit load of injuries as well. We got knocked out of the conference league group stage when conte took over now we are 90 minutes from the CL QF. If that's regression I'll take it all day long.

We are maintaining the same position in the table at the moment where we finished last season because Newcastle didn't play one match plus Chelsea and Liverpool regressed even more than us.
Last season Conte had 28 league games. Currently we played 24, if we win next 4 games we will still have less points than in this period, much worse underlying data while also being less fun to watch. Yeah, we had a lots of injuries but it's not like Spurs are the the only PL club with injury problems plus we also had them a year ago with less depth.
Last season we were the 3rd best team in the league since Conte came. You can't say this about current season. This is regression.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Yeah and someone else - Trix I think - said that Levy is likely to listen to the last person he speaks to.

So whoever was in that room that day, may have helped sway his decision.

Another issue I believe is that modern coaches tend to be more robotic, less charismatic and like to talk more about strategy.

All of that will be lost on people like Levy, Collecott and Cullen.

That's why it should only ever be the sporting people and THEN when the interviews and everything have been conducted, they report to the president/CEO who listens and is to be convinced on who he should sign off on.

The ITK, media stories and club actions over the years give the impression of a board that doesn’t really understand the game of football.

I have often wondered particularly after having to watch the eye bleeding styles of AVB, Jose, Nuno and to a lesser extent Conte do they enjoy football whatsoever. If they did they have a very funny way of showing it.

football has such a human element that is fundermental to its core and as a club we don’t ever give the impression of that human element or the passion that goes with it. This lack of the human element I suspect drives some of the bizarre football decisions the clubs makes.

 

[mill]

The ITK, media stories and club actions over the years give the impression of a board that doesn’t really understand the game of football.

I have often wondered particularly after having to watch the eye bleeding styles of AVB, Jose, Nuno and to a lesser extent Conte do they enjoy football whatsoever. If they did they have a very funny way of showing it.

football has such a human element that is fundermental to its core and as a club we don’t ever give the impression of that human element or the passion that goes with it. This lack of the human element I suspect drives some of the bizarre football decisions the clubs makes.

Levy seems easily seduced by smooth Latin men who talk his language, I remember at the time of AVB that there was talk of he was wowed by a power point presentation. I doubt he actually understands the football he’s watching despite being in the job for 20 years or whatever it is. All imo of course

 

[slartibartfast]

Levy seems easily seduced by smooth Latin men who talk his language, I remember at the time of AVB that there was talk of he was wowed by a power point presentation. I doubt he actually understands the football he’s watching despite being in the job for 20 years or whatever it is. All imo of course

A football manager coming in for the job with a PowerPoint presentation should be the international sign for run away.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Levy seems easily seduced by smooth Latin men who talk his language, I remember at the time of AVB that there was talk of he was wowed by a power point presentation. I doubt he actually understands the football he’s watching despite being in the job for 20 years or whatever it is. All imo of course

Jose, big name, Conte, big name, AVB fancy PowerPoint presentation. It’s all superficial like this club is, all fur coat no knickers.

We have had 20+ year of ENIC and the board still don’t have a football style, their product they are selling is football and yet we have no clear product.

No passion or strategy, all sound bites and big names. It’s why this club has a glass ceiling. Our off the pitch strategy is fantastic but we need one for on it.

 

[slartibartfast]

Jose, big name, Conte, big name, AVB fancy PowerPoint presentation. It’s all superficial like this club is, all fur coat no knickers.

We have had 20+ year of ENIC and the board still don’t have a football style, their product they are selling is football and yet we have no clear product.

No passion or strategy, all sound bites and big names. It’s why this club has a glass ceiling.

So let me get this right. I'm in a room with a glass ceiling looking up at Lady Spurs who is wearing a fur coat and no knickers.
Quite an image.

 

[mill]

Thing is we got it spot on with Poch, that was the blueprint, up and coming progressive cutting edge manager, but again I remember the talk at the time was people Lewis knew from Argentina was pushing him. That’s the track we should’ve stuck with but it was luck rather than design

 

[rossdapep]

Thing is we got it spot on with Poch, that was the blueprint, up and coming progressive cutting edge manager, but again I remember the talk at the time was people Lewis knew from Argentina was pushing him. That’s the track we should’ve stuck with but it was luck rather than design

Which is why we should go for Gallardo or Amorim

 

[ajspurs]

Which is why we should go for Gallardo or Amorim

Saw this summary of Gallardo's football in a video. I am really on the side of wanting a manager to aim to play a certain way now, but I have to admit I'll be surprised if we don't look to Poch if Conte were to leave.

 

[slartibartfast]

Thing is we got it spot on with Poch, that was the blueprint, up and coming progressive cutting edge manager, but again I remember the talk at the time was people Lewis knew from Argentina was pushing him. That’s the track we should’ve stuck with but it was luck rather than design

Certain amount of luck with Poch. It coincided with one of the best strikers in the world coming through our academy. It helps.

 

[mill]

Certain amount of luck with Poch. It coincided with one of the best strikers in the world coming through our academy. It helps

Yeah I can’t argue that but it was still bang on the pulse at the time, which is our best hope of competing. Obviously you can’t get that right every time but it’s the blueprint of how the club needs to be run, it’s not though, it’s not an overarching philosophy just hit and hope

 

[mill]

Poch is the only summer appointment we’ve ever gotten right, for a chairman of 20 years that’s absolutely shocking imo, especially as I mentioned earlier if it’s true there was pressure from above to hire him

 

[Dakes]

Levy seems easily seduced by smooth Latin men who talk his language, I remember at the time of AVB that there was talk of he was wowed by a power point presentation. I doubt he actually understands the football he’s watching despite being in the job for 20 years or whatever it is. All imo of course

After a numerically balanced Excel spreadsheet, a well crafted PowerPoint presentation would probably be the next best thing to impress Daniel.

Coming in closely at third place would be a well worded club statement in Word explaining the club’s vision after a transfer window or the club’s finances have been released.

 

[djhotspur]

Certain amount of luck with Poch. It coincided with one of the best strikers in the world coming through our academy. It helps.

Agreed. I think a lot of luck goes into this stuff unless you’re city of a club spending huge sums.
It’s like arsenal now with Saka (Kane) and martinelli (alli) and ode (eriksen). Cheap, academy or young prospects from lower leagues and 1 young player who has a high ceiling but no one expected to adapt that well.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I think it comes from this constant feed of negativity

And I'm sure some will say well that's what you're looking for but there is a stage where the awful football along with the refusal to commit long-term that leads to feelings of he thinks we should be grateful he is here and on top of that the rotten luck we and especially he has had this year and it feels like the season is a war of attrition from week to week.

Huge parts of the fanbase don't like it trust the owners, nobody knows if our DOF is a crook and if he can be here for long and the manager won't commit. Of course it feels like we're regressing when we hardly ever play well.

But on the flip side of this people are right to say we have a guy with huge pedigree, were fourth, in the champions League and the FA cup so we should just get on with it

I feel really negative myself but I can one hundred percent see both sides.

Really balanced post mate…. Many on SC could do with following your lead.

I personally think much of our football has been horrid this season, but I do think our defence in particular simply isn’t good enough and for the second season running Conte is having to “polish a turd” in that respect.

That said, he hasn’t helped himself with his seeming intransigence to make subs earlier (Poch was the same… what is it with some managers and not making subs until the 70th minute?) and obviously, the contract and Fabio situations are unsettling.

All in all though, I do believe that if we stick with Conte and give him the players of the requisite quality we will be in a much better place to challenge at the top of the table over the next couple of seasons.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

All in all though, I do believe that if we stick with Conte bring in any half-decent manager and give him the players of the requisite quality we will be in a much better place to challenge at the top of the table over the next couple of seasons.

Conte should be doing much better than he has with what he's got.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Poch is the only summer appointment we’ve ever gotten right, for a chairman of 20 years that’s absolutely shocking imo, especially as I mentioned earlier if it’s true there was pressure from above to hire him

This is just hyperbole. The fact the club has made incremental progress over those 20 years, and played European football for the majority of that time while our peers have largely fallen away or been inconsistent (West Ham, Everton, Aston Villa etc..) tells me there have been more good decisions than bad in that period.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I do think Spurs have regressed.

We had an easy draw in the Cl but scraped through. We have had an easy draw in the FA Cup too. Chelsea and Liverpool have been a shambles which has allowed us to be in top 4. Man City wont be getting 90+ plus points this year either.

We finished above Arsenal last season despite having a quarter of the season off. Levy did buy him some players in the summer so we should be at least where Man U are and should be challenging for the title but we arent.

Conte has failed this season. Massive opportunity missed. It is only out of sympathy that he still has a job.

If you genuinely believe that a team lining up with Sanchez, Dier, Davies and Tanganaga during a season should be fighting for the title then I think we’ll simply have to agree to disagree.

Moreover, if being in the Top 4, last 16 of CL (after topping our group), and still in FA Cup is “failure” to you then, again, it would appear we have different definitions of what constitutes the word.

If we do get a new manager in, let’s measure how he’s doing after 15 games and I assume if we’re not fighting for the title that will also be deemed as failure by yourself.