sundanceyid10
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markiespurs
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Was at the game Sunday and as much as I hate to say it, Arsenal were far superior in every aspect of the game. I’m totally convinced we are not going to win anything under Levy or ENIC. It doesn’t matter who the manager is we need new owners ENIC so Levy and ENIC out.
GetSpurredOn
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We need to find/understand our identity as a club, then build a plan from there, and it needs to go top to bottom. Youth recruitment, youth retention, coaching, management of the academy and development teams, get them playing the same style and formation as the first team, build a footballing ethos that players can feel comfortable playing in as they progress as it will already be familiar.
Are we a Dortmund type club, always scouring all markets for the most talented youth players that we can pick up on the rise and sell at their peak, reaping the playing benefits along the way? If we do it right, the better players will want to join because they know they will get opportunities, but know be held back once the Real’s, Barca’s and Juve’s come calling. If so, then Conte is not the manager for that particular type of project. We need to go and look elsewhere, because I have no doubt if we don’t back him this window he will be gone by February.
Or are we trying to roll with the big boys, building a squad of peak players? If so, then Conte is probably the right man, but needs backing with appropriate level signings, starting now. He’s been very vocal from December onwards about the number, and type, of players he needs bringing this January, yet past the half waypoint of this window, we appear to be looking at a RB, been told the price, but are dragging it out. No sign of a CB. No sign of an attacking player other than an out of favour Trossard who doesn’t actually strike me as the right fit anyway, just another opportunistic punt.
Maybe Conte isn’t convinced so won’t commit to the project, therefore the club won’t commit to buying players he wants that a new manager might not. Stuck in limbo until one of them commits. Personally I don’t think the club will bring in the players Conte wants, and we’ll be back to square one. Can’t say I’ll be disappointed after this last few months. His initial passion seems to have waned, or maybe Levy has broken him??? He seems a man going through the motions until the inevitable parting of ways, much like Poch did towards the end. Watching our games is painful, players are poor technically, cannot seem to find any attacking rhythm. If they are genuinely just poor players, what is Conte and his band of merry men doing to address this? I get sick of hearing how we are a counter attacking team, it’s not the football I want to watch. I want to watch us go and have a crack at teams, put them on the back foot and make them work. Play with some attacking intent.
“It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory.”
“The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.”
These quotes are from before my time, but sum up what it means to me to be a Spurs fan, I expect us to play with flair.
Are we a Dortmund type club, always scouring all markets for the most talented youth players that we can pick up on the rise and sell at their peak, reaping the playing benefits along the way? If we do it right, the better players will want to join because they know they will get opportunities, but know be held back once the Real’s, Barca’s and Juve’s come calling. If so, then Conte is not the manager for that particular type of project. We need to go and look elsewhere, because I have no doubt if we don’t back him this window he will be gone by February.
Or are we trying to roll with the big boys, building a squad of peak players? If so, then Conte is probably the right man, but needs backing with appropriate level signings, starting now. He’s been very vocal from December onwards about the number, and type, of players he needs bringing this January, yet past the half waypoint of this window, we appear to be looking at a RB, been told the price, but are dragging it out. No sign of a CB. No sign of an attacking player other than an out of favour Trossard who doesn’t actually strike me as the right fit anyway, just another opportunistic punt.
Maybe Conte isn’t convinced so won’t commit to the project, therefore the club won’t commit to buying players he wants that a new manager might not. Stuck in limbo until one of them commits. Personally I don’t think the club will bring in the players Conte wants, and we’ll be back to square one. Can’t say I’ll be disappointed after this last few months. His initial passion seems to have waned, or maybe Levy has broken him??? He seems a man going through the motions until the inevitable parting of ways, much like Poch did towards the end. Watching our games is painful, players are poor technically, cannot seem to find any attacking rhythm. If they are genuinely just poor players, what is Conte and his band of merry men doing to address this? I get sick of hearing how we are a counter attacking team, it’s not the football I want to watch. I want to watch us go and have a crack at teams, put them on the back foot and make them work. Play with some attacking intent.
“It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory.”
“The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.”
These quotes are from before my time, but sum up what it means to me to be a Spurs fan, I expect us to play with flair.
WhiteStripe
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spurs9
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We are spending more and have Dof who is doing a decent job. Far away from perfect, still some flaws the same but definitely different.
spurs9
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From when Poch became manager to when the stadium opened, there have been 29 teams appear in the premier league, 22 of those teams had a higher net spend than us in that period and Southampton are the only team still in the PL that had a lower net spend (the others were Cardiff, QPR, Hull, Norwich and Swansea).
Since the stadium opened, we have the 4th highest net spend!!
The difference is night and day.
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I've been saying this for years but forget net spend it means fuck all.
WhiteStripe
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Agree. The indication as to whether ENIC and Levy are able to play with the big boys is how much they spend on transfers IN regardless of book balancing. Are we willing to spend big on the right player? Are we willing to go in quickly and go in hard for the game changer. Are we willing to take a risk? I think we on own the answer. Every other one of the big boys appear to be willing.
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spurs9
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I disagree with that, it's nor the be all and end all but it is an indicator that the investment in the squad has increased.
But, lets just look at expenditure. We have gone from 10th highest (and 35% of what the top spenders spent) to 5th highest (and 62% of what the top spenders spent). Yes there is still room for improvement and prior to Paratici, it was spend poorly, but that is a big change.
By the way, if this is coming across as defending Levy, that isn't my intention, IMO he needs to step down.
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I don’t necessarily subscribe to this view, but perhaps Levy would argue that those statistics actually support his view/strategy around spending? A large number of those teams that have spent big money and got precious little to show for it.
Supporting an argument that it’s more about quality of spending rather than quantity (which has also been awful and probably a more damaging problem worthy of criticism)
The teams at the top of the tree with unlimited resources have arguably made far greater and costly mistakes in the market but have enough money to keep throwing enough shit and hoping it sticks
just a passing thought as I stare longingly into the distance hoping to reconcile my despair and get on with my week………..unsuccessfully
Stuart Leathercock
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I couldn't agree more. If we had got Klopp instead of Liverpool then it wouldn't have worked, we still would've won zero trophies. We wouldn't have got Mane or Wjinaldum for him, just like we didn't get them for Poch and we wouldn't have paid the fees for VVD or Allison either.
It doesn't really matter who we bring in as first team coach. If we bring in a proven winner then the chairman won't get him the players he wants. If we bring in a project manager then the chairman will sack him the moment it appears he is going to miss qualifying for the CL.
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PLTuck
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***checks he's not in the Enic thread***
It seems inevitable at this point that Conte is off, either imminently or at the end of the season. I wanted Howe when Poch left, and I wanted Potter when Jose left, so I naturally want the next man to be in a similar mould. It is crucial that its someone that is a natural fit to the club imo. No more trying to shoehorn in "winners" when we can't/won't give them the resources for them to do what they do.
I don't really have any names as my picks are new in other jobs now, but a progressive guy who looks towards younger players he can mould and shape would be my preference. At board level our identity is Dortmund, but recently we've been trying poundland Chelsea which hasn;t worked thus far. Go back to signing young, hungry players and finally do the "painful rebuild" Poch mentioned. I still think he was referring to moving Kane, and possibly Son on when he said that.
If Poch came back I'd be delighted, albeit cautious in my expectations.
Levy needs an Arteta. Someone who you will back, but you know won't be sniping at you from pressers and to essentailly be a "yes man" in public.
Get the appointment right, give them a MINIMUM of 3 full seasons before judging. I include us fans in that!
It seems inevitable at this point that Conte is off, either imminently or at the end of the season. I wanted Howe when Poch left, and I wanted Potter when Jose left, so I naturally want the next man to be in a similar mould. It is crucial that its someone that is a natural fit to the club imo. No more trying to shoehorn in "winners" when we can't/won't give them the resources for them to do what they do.
I don't really have any names as my picks are new in other jobs now, but a progressive guy who looks towards younger players he can mould and shape would be my preference. At board level our identity is Dortmund, but recently we've been trying poundland Chelsea which hasn;t worked thus far. Go back to signing young, hungry players and finally do the "painful rebuild" Poch mentioned. I still think he was referring to moving Kane, and possibly Son on when he said that.
If Poch came back I'd be delighted, albeit cautious in my expectations.
Levy needs an Arteta. Someone who you will back, but you know won't be sniping at you from pressers and to essentailly be a "yes man" in public.
Get the appointment right, give them a MINIMUM of 3 full seasons before judging. I include us fans in that!
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You'll get 12 months out of us. max.
Nuno got 12 weeks ??
PLTuck
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About 12 minutes from fans.
Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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They'll never get three seasons.
PLTuck
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Then it is all indeed a bit pointless. Even City with all their money stand behind Pep in lean seasons.
It's quite frightening that I can think of only 3 managers who got 3 season in the last 22 years. Jol (i think), Harry, Poch. That is the primary pattern that needs to change imo. That is one of the worst indictments of ENICs reign.
Putting spurs onto the mental backburner and putting my fan energy towards Woking (whose games I can actually afford to attend semi regularly) is getting more appealing by the day if I'm honest. 42 years I've actively supported Spurs and will always be in my heart but the last 4 years have jaded me.
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KaribYid
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Six months after getting us top 4 and our fans want Conte out.
Four months after getting us to a CL final (following 5 of some of the best years of our recent history) and our fans wanted Poch out. Quite a few wanted him out in his first season before the Villa/Kane FK game.
Our fan base isn't and will never have the patience for a full rebuild.
The patience will have to come from the board who will stick with the manager even if the fans want him out. They have to hire someone that they will truly commit to and believe in.
PLTuck
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Fully agree. For clarity I dont want Conte out, It just seems inevitable at this point. Fans turning on Poch is probably the least connected I've ever felt towards our own fanbase.
But you're right. It's ultimately down to the board to show some bollocks and have the courage of their convictions, not the fans.
Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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I understand and it's an escapism - or at least it should be. The problem is that we will rarely have a coach that everyone gets behind. Poch for a while, yes but he's almost an exception. The problem is the not knowing. Where are we as a club? Levy, on the face of it seems to have run out of ideas. Hopefully he's trying to get investment but it's never really about the amount spent, it's the, as someone pertinently phrased it: "hokey cokey" approach from the club towards coach recruitment as well as player recruitment. Now we seem to at least have some continuity through Paratici but even then it's all a bit better uncertain because if Poch came back, as many are hoping, does Levy do another clear out and decide once again that he's part of the structure when it comes to footballing decisions? It's like a circle - we never change.Then it is all indeed a bit pointless. Even City with all their money stand behind Pep in lean seasons.
It's quite frightening that I can think of only 3 managers who got 3 season in the last 22 years. Jol (i think), Harry, Poch. That is the primary pattern that needs to change imo. That is one of the worst indictments of ENICs reign.
Putting spurs onto the mental backburner and putting my fan energy towards Woking (whose games I can actually afford to attend semi regularly) is getting more appealing by the day if I'm honest. 42 years I've actively supported Spurs and will always be in my heart but the last 4 years have jaded me.
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