Next Manager Watch

[rebrab]

I think the argument of attacking football at the expense of winning is a flawed one. I certainly think it’s possible to win leagues with a “defensive” set up (Conte, Mourinho prove that) but I think the issue is that you’re trying to create 1-0 wins and that’s very difficult in the modern premier league as there’s lots of potential for a moment of quality or luck to break that.

The reason Man City and Liverpool got 100pt seasons is because they were winning by 2,3,4 goals each game and when a moment of bad luck happened it didn’t lose them points. They could also take their foot off the gas in the last few minutes.

TLDR; get me an attacking manager

 

[Metalhead]

Cool. In my opinion it's not that black and white though. Yes they are professionals but they are not discouraged to show their club bias.

Anyway I don't want to go off topic. I don't mind which new manager we go for, just one who will be proud of the club, who will foster daring attacking football, and a willingness to regularly blood youth prospects.

I don't think that anyone would have a problem with the last paragraph. TBF to Carragher though, bias or not, there are plenty on here who don't think that Poch coming back would be a great idea either.

 

[the yid]

I want someone who can reign Romero in and get the best out of Bissouma

 

[Cel]

Santa doesn’t exist and we have seen over the last three years that defensive football doesn’t automatically win trophies.

Wh...What?

 

[MindOverMatter]

I want to win trophies but I think the best way is to be a mainly attacking side who are willing to adapt.

We've shown the passive, sit back, give up possession tactic can be very effective against City but it doesn't mean we should do it against everyone regardless of their division or the state of the tie if over 2 legs.

With our budget we should be a team that goes out & dominates most teams in the league. But at certain times of the season or against certain teams we should also use the negative, defensive, counter attack tactic to give us the best chance of getting the result we want.

We all want to win a trophy with an attacking side and playing positive football but what I asked stems on a hypothetical question.
This is not a reality question just something to hear what people are saying and what there answer would be…

Team A consists of a manager who played attacking football, brought anyone they wanted, very positive, fans loved watching, everyone shouting and screaming singing songs. Never won a trophy but finished 2nd and runners up

Team B consists of a manger who played defensive football, brought anyone they wanted, very negative, fans enjoyed going but wanted more for their money, people singing but the whole stadium wasn’t bouncing only in semi finals and finals. Won the prem and champions league.

What would you choose?

THIS IS NOT A REALITY QUESTION I JUST WANT PEOPLES OPINION AND TO SEE WHERE EVERYONES HEADS AT

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Pretty close but Poch had a season and a half at Southampton whereas De Zerbi has been in charge at Brighton for a little over half a season. But it’s a good shout.

But his experience at Sassuolo and Shakhtar stands out above Poch's at Espanyol. There's no major difference really.

 

[THOWIG]

Potentially Thomas Frank at Brentford is the closest. Has a team over-performing on a relatively small budget.

He's also improved a hell of a lot of the players he's brought in, and has a clear footballing identity in the way he plays.

If we are going for a long term project manager he might be the best PL-proven manager that's attainable.

I also really like him. Seems a top
bloke.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

They're just disagreeing with the article, not you.

Why are people so offended by ratings on this forum? Might aswell remove them altogether or just leave positive ones available.

What from my slightly flippant comment gives you the slightest impression of someone being ‘so offended’?

Bit of a leap, that.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Such a backwards view of Scottish football.

Celtic are a massive historic club with 60000 demanding fans in the stadium every week. He’s won two title challenges against an equally strong rival club and played champions league football twice. Feels like a pretty good test of a managers ability.

Oh plus he’s managed at a World Cup and his side were widely praised for how they played in a group against Netherlands and Spain.

He’s categorically a much more tested, proven and successful manager than Poch was before he came to us.

Celtic are about to win their 11th title out of 12.

 

[McFlash]

I’d still rather he showed what he’s got at someone like Southampton, Brighton or Leeds first. It’s too big a risk on someone who’s only ever done it in the minor leagues.

He may well be though highly of, but it’s a massive step up from managing in the Japanese or Scottish league to managing in the English premier league.

You're taking this all too seriously.
After the dour, depressive times of our last few managerial appointments, I'm all for the slightly crazy wildcard that is Big Ange.
Bring the fun back.

 

[rabbikeane]

Not convinced there's much thought behind the decision and it seems the club is split and there's a lot of politics as usual.
It is however very important that there's some long term thinking going on now and that every one end up pulling in the same direction.
It should first of all be a choice of two options now. Do we go for a manager that can build on the squad that has been build, that would be a manager that play 3 at the back and wing backs. Or do we have a vision of a different way we want our team to play, if we do then we must not just head for that direction with this manager selection, but also keep at it with his replacement down the line. For all the talk of our poor player recruitment its biggest issue is that a lot of our resources was placed in players we no longer had use for due to change of tactics.

 

[snakehipsspurs]

Celtic are about to win their 11th title out of 12.

8 of those 12 years Rangers were either in the lower divisions or rebuilding after their punishment for going into administration. The last 4 years have been a level playing field between them and Celtic again, and Ange is absolutely blowing them out of the water in his 18 months in charge.

Thats why it’s different to the Rodgers era at Celtic. He was in a one team league then.

 

[McFlash]

What from my slightly flippant comment gives you the slightest impression of someone being ‘so offended’?

Bit of a leap, that.

I think he completely missed the humour of the situation, somehow.
I was chuckling away to myself like a loon.

 

[Timberwolf]

There's no point signing a project manager levy will sack them I8 months

Whereas the 'win now' managers like Conte and Jose have lasted much longer than that!

 

[jbstarr14]

Too many of these ‘elite’ managers have a system they stick to, and recruit the players to suit.

Whomever the next manager is, they need to be able to adapt the system to suit the players they have at their disposal.

Evidence of the latter should without question, be Levy and Paratici’s primary consideration.

 

[ChaoticBeaver]

8 of those 12 years Rangers were either in the lower divisions or rebuilding after their punishment for going into administration. The last 4 years have been a level playing field between them and Celtic again, and Ange is absolutely blowing them out of the water in his 18 months in charge.

Thats why it’s different to the Rodgers era at Celtic. He was in a one team league then.

Im not sure why you’re coping so hard over the standard of Scottish football, everyone who follows football knows how weak those leagues are. Also being in a two horse race where you’re the faster and more powerful horse to begin with doesn't really tell us much either.

With that being said, if the football is attractive then I’d take a punt on someone different anyway, just to get away from the current dross being served up. As we’ve seen with new managers doing well, experience isn’t everything.

 

[mr ashley]

What from my slightly flippant comment gives you the slightest impression of someone being ‘so offended’?

Bit of a leap, that.

Not really.
remember the person who keeps bringing it up is you.
If you were able to deal with it you wouldn’t have felt the need to make another post about it - or edit your original post.
btw I agree with you that people disagreeing with JC should be able to discern between you and him but it’s a them problem, not a you problem.

People get bent out of shape all the time about ratings they don’t like.
It means nothing in reality though

it’s not tripadvisor or eBay so your reputation can remain intact.

Chill

 

[SuperPav10]

I think the argument of attacking football at the expense of winning is a flawed one. I certainly think it’s possible to win leagues with a “defensive” set up (Conte, Mourinho prove that) but I think the issue is that you’re trying to create 1-0 wins and that’s very difficult in the modern premier league as there’s lots of potential for a moment of quality or luck to break that.

The reason Man City and Liverpool got 100pt seasons is because they were winning by 2,3,4 goals each game and when a moment of bad luck happened it didn’t lose them points. They could also take their foot off the gas in the last few minutes.

TLDR; get me an attacking manager

Those teams also had defences they could rely on, so even throwing bodies forward was in a sense less of a risk because they had the Azpilicuetas and Van Dijks of this world covering them. We don't. It's why we could afford to be so fluid and free under Pochettino too, with a solid backline we could generally rely on.

Not strengthening our defence has been the biggest problem we've faced for years now. It's almost criminal.

 

[GMI]

I think the argument of attacking football at the expense of winning is a flawed one. I certainly think it’s possible to win leagues with a “defensive” set up (Conte, Mourinho prove that) but I think the issue is that you’re trying to create 1-0 wins and that’s very difficult in the modern premier league as there’s lots of potential for a moment of quality or luck to break that.

The reason Man City and Liverpool got 100pt seasons is because they were winning by 2,3,4 goals each game and when a moment of bad luck happened it didn’t lose them points. They could also take their foot off the gas in the last few minutes.

TLDR; get me an attacking manager

On creating 1:0 wins there is also an added factor that wasn’t there in days past…..VAR

 

[mr ashley]

Too many of these ‘elite’ managers have a system they stick to, and recruit the players to suit.

Whomever the next manager is, they need to be able to adapt the system to suit the players they have at their disposal.

Evidence of the latter should without question, be Levy and Paratici’s primary consideration.

All of this is the problem.

All managers have systems and recruit players that fit it.
All managers coming into a new club have to adapt to the existing squad they inherit.
and finally, all well run clubs have a structure that identifies continuity from manager to manager.

But not us, it appears.
We lurch from extreme to extreme and then struggle to match the squad to the managers demands.