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[Nick-TopSpursMan]

It depends on what full control means really.

If it means Poch is the only one who drives recruitment and chooses exactly who we go for all the time without guidance or dialogue then it’s not good. Every top coach has someone close they work with for recruitment.

But if it means Poch works closely with a head of recruitment and the data analysts to identify suitable Poch players that doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Look at Arteta working with Edu. Do you think Edu chose Jesus, Zinchenko etc without Arteta’s input? No chance, Arteta drove it and then Edu probably did the due diligence along with data analysts.

It depends on the context of what full control actually means but Poch has to realise he needs a strong recruitment team around him like Arteta has and Klopp has had.

The issue is we’d need a football man to work with Poch because Levy shouldn’t be near the football side. So we need an Edu type figure who Poch can work with and respects.

 

[chrisd2k]

Believe it or not they actually have a brilliant relationship . Things went sour and levy lost patience on a professional levy due to his own poor planning with the board refreshing the squad . They squeezed every ounce out of the poch era while focusing fully on the new complex . The squad went stale that was the downfall . Both levy and Poch need to admit past mistakes on both sides more so levy and he wants full control of all footballing decisions to be the manager of Tottenham not the head coach . will it work out for us we never know and probably won’t but we won’t know unless we give that process another go !

That would surely mean Fabio is done too. Which you could argue it should with his legal worries, even if it is on appeal.

Not sure I like that. Couldn't be any worse I suppose. All a bit meh isn't it. Onto the next victim

 

[rossdapep]

Believe it or not they actually have a brilliant relationship . Things went sour and levy lost patience on a professional levy due to his own poor planning with the board refreshing the squad . They squeezed every ounce out of the poch era while focusing fully on the new complex . The squad went stale that was the downfall . Both levy and Poch need to admit past mistakes on both sides more so levy and he wants full control of all footballing decisions to be the manager of Tottenham not the head coach . will it work out for us we never know and probably won’t but we won’t know unless we give that process another go !

If Poch wants total control then I don't want him because I'd really worry about his transfers.

But I do agree that we'd never know and it's nice that they have a good relationship. Thanks for sharing

 

[austinfh]

Funny isn't it because as much as I hate going to Spurs right now, the idea of Poch back with Mason on the backroom staff does get the hopeless romantic in me going. Even though I know it would end in disaster

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

If Poch wants total control then I don't want him because I'd really worry about his transfers.

But I do agree that we'd never know and it's nice that they have a good relationship. Thanks for sharing

I’d say we won’t just scrap this new recruitment team/system/whatever you want to call it that Paratici has created.

You’d imagine if it is Poch, we’ll find a director of football that matches his philosophy of buying young players with high ceilings. I think someone like Alex Scott would flourish under Poch. I’d love for us to sign an Evan Ferguson from Brighton, too.

It’s quite exciting to know we won’t just be shopping in Serie A for everyone once Paratici is incarcerated.

 

[Frank Blank]

Funny isn't it because as much as I hate going to Spurs right now, the idea of Poch back with Mason on the backroom staff does get the hopeless romantic in me going. Even though I know it would end in disaster

Indeed, a Poch/Mason 'dream team' doesn't really cut it for me. Poch is a serial failure in the only league that counts and I see no reason why that would change this time round. I really don't give a stuff about what level of control he has; I'm assuming he won't achieve anything with the club, much as before.

Golden rule, never go back.

 

[rossdapep]

Just watching a video about De Zerbi's tactics.

He actually changed the way they play from Potter's methods during the WC break.

 

[nedley]

I'm ok with Mason stepping in, as long as the club take the time to make the right decision....


....which I'm not convinced we willyak

Take the time?
Think they've had plenty of time tbh...

 

[Tucker]

It depends on what full control means really.

If it means Poch is the only one who drives recruitment and chooses exactly who we go for all the time without guidance or dialogue then it’s not good. Every top coach has someone close they work with for recruitment.

But if it means Poch works closely with a head of recruitment and the data analysts to identify suitable Poch players that doesn’t have to be a bad thing. Look at Arteta working with Edu. Do you think Edu chose Jesus, Zinchenko etc without Arteta’s input? No chance, Arteta drove it and then Edu probably did the due diligence along with data analysts.

It depends on the context of what full control actually means but Poch has to realise he needs a strong recruitment team around him like Arteta has and Klopp has had.

The issue is we’d need a football man to work with Poch because Levy shouldn’t be near the football side. So we need an Edu type figure who Poch can work with and respects.

Paratici has also shown the benefits and opportunities of having someone that knows the market and can do deals. We’d need someone to do that other than Levy.

 

[bat-chain]

Bielsa for 10 games, convince me this isn’t the best suggestion?

 

[Jules77]

Indeed, a Poch/Mason 'dream team' doesn't really cut it for me. Poch is a serial failure in the only league that counts and I see no reason why that would change this time round. I really don't give a stuff about what level of control he has; I'm assuming he won't achieve anything with the club, much as before.

Golden rule, never go back.

Am sick of this off-the-shelf BS quote about a golden rule of never going back. Impossible to prove with data (as so little people have ever ‘gone back’) and every situation is different. Just hit the right man for the job. If that is Poch, then bring him back.

 

[robotsonic]

Am sick of this off-the-shelf BS quote about a golden rule of never going back. Impossible to prove with data (as so little people have ever ‘gone back’) and every situation is different. Just hit the right man for the job. If that is Poch, then bring him back.

I think someone just got back with their ex-wife at some point, it predictably didn't work out, and so they have since applied that to everything in life and it's become a meme.

 

[Tucker]

I think someone just got back with their ex-wife at some point, it predictably didn't work out, and so they have since applied that to everything in life and it's become a meme.

In fairness I went back to an ex once…it didn’t work out. But that was mainly cause she was a mentalist.

 

[robotsonic]

In fairness I went back to an ex once…it didn’t work out. But that was mainly cause she was a mentalist.

- Mauricio Pochettino, Feb 2024

 

[Guntz]

The absolute scenes when Mason rolls out the old 3-4-3 against Everton

 

[jolsnogross]

The 'full control' discussion is largely semantics. Nobody has full control at Spurs and that's arguably the problem. We haven't had a good enough strategy to suggest anyone or any group are in control of our progression. For the most part, that means there's a lovely vague area for those with responsibility to point fingers outward and avoid accountability.

As others have pointed out, Arteta, Klopp, and Guardiola have control at their clubs. And that's what you'd want. That doesn't mean there aren't other power brokers at those clubs that contribute. And it certainly doesn't mean those guys do everything themselves. But they call the shots and they accept accountability.

Our club's culture will flow through the manager. It has to. That means appointing good ones with similar outlooks consistently. Not that we shouldn't provide those people with control.

Levy has been flailing around from one approach to another. DoF's have come and gone without much impact. But even among all that, we've had high points when the right manager was in place. The manager is the most important position to fill with the right person. Recruitment, style of play, togetherness, determination etc all flow through that position.

 

[jpascavitz]

I was very anti Poch returning esp with Conte at the helm. Would say if Conte does go I'd take any of Poch, Anorim, Tuchel, Gallardo, or Big Ange.

There's some on that list I wouldn't want as much but after seeing the nuno appointment and that summer of hell, if we get anyone on that list Id count myself lucky

 

[coy-spurs1882]

regardless of who coming in it will end in the same way - having a honeymoon period, then false promises from Levy/ENIC, things turn bad, again and again

 

[king_yid]

Media saying we are now looking around for a replacement, but I'm sure one of our reliable ITK's said a few days ago the decision has been made who that is. Obviously he needs to say yes but it left me thinking that we are prepared and not just now running around in a blind panic.

 

[C0YS]

I get the feeling Fonseca was the right choice 2 summers ago, they were about to chance into the “Tottenham DNA” guy and decided to roll the dice again.

Fonseca would have been a disaster I feel. Way less tottenham DNA then some make out as well. Roma fans hated him. Could work if in a system where they could thrive. But very uninspiring.

Ultimately, Contes results haven't been bad. All in all its about par or even above par considering the squad.

Whoever comes in fans need to be patient. Obviously good football helps. But we arent that poch team anymore and it will take time to reach those sorts of levels again. We also need to understand a manager will need a season or even two before being able to imprint their vision on the team. The players will need to buy into it too. Short termism is a serious issue right now, not just in football but society and its not helpful.

Problem is, our fans are negative, and increasingly so as expectation has risen. We tend to respond to the team rather than support them. Liverpool fans are great at that. They worship their players and will quickly look to blame referees or opposition teams cheating etc before turning on their own players and manager. Its fucking annoying but I cant help but feel its not coincidental that they have had success. This us against the world mentality is much better than the self cannibalising common in London teams.

Nervous negativity does have an impact on players and performances. In london teams (with the exception of Palace) you have to earn support, in other places support is a given, something you only lose after sustained dysfunction.

Getting fans behind the team would be easier with more exciting football, but I think only consistent wins will really sustain that support. Maybe with the players too. But we will have to be patient.

Not quite sure there is any short term solutions. Right now, either we get lucky. Find someone who finds a way to fundamentally change the club rapidly, where the context has to be absolutely right etc. Or we have to actually fall further down, reduce expectations and start again. I dunno, maybe people will find patience. But if Poch performs the same as he did in his first season, hed be likely sacked on the back of it. That team wasn't significantly worse than our current team.