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[Dazzazzad]

Yeah. In my opinion, some people are overrating qualifying for the Champions League. We have not benefited from qualifying for this season's competition other than in a purely financial sense:

- The quality of our summer signings was not better than the previous two windows.
- We seem to be a worse team overall than we were at the end of last season.
- We are less united as a club than we were at the end of last season.

We even managed to recruit "elite" coach Conte outside the CL.

What has the CL got to do with how united we are?

Being in the CL is purely:

- financial gain to further improve the squad and competiveness
- the chance to pit ourselves on the biggest stage (i.e. What football is all about)

Those are 2 very big reasons to want to be in it. Can also throw in that other euro competitions suck in comparison.

But point taken that we can still improve even if we miss out.

 

[greaves]

Interim coach with a permanent manager already contracted for the following season.

So basically Nagelsmasonn...

 

[brendanb50]

What has the CL got to do with how united we are?

Being in the CL is purely:

- financial gain to further improve the squad and competiveness
- the chance to pit ourselves on the biggest stage (i.e. What football is all about)

Those are 2 very big reasons to want to be in it. Can also throw in that other euro competitions suck in comparison.

But point taken that we can still improve even if we miss out.

Absolutely. I feel like there’s still plenty of good recruitment (and coaching) which can take place outside of CL football. Yes the money helps but I don’t think being in the CL dictates what we do next season. Especially when you look at how things have gone this year.

 

[Bobbins]

How exactly was Walker "forced out"?

Poch was alternating between Walker/Trippier and Rose/Davies that season, to keep the players fresh and enable us to compete on four fronts (WB in Poch's system was a very physically demanding position). Walker played over twice as much as Trippier. He may have been unhappy that he wasn't starting every game, but he started a large majority of PL games - even after telling the manager he wants to leave.

He openly told Poch that he intended to leave in the summer - mid-season (April), while we were challenging to win the PL title (we finished 2nd), and with over 2 years left on his contract. I believe he was left out of the team for one or two games immediately after dropping that bombshell (circa April). That was extremely unprofessional from Walker, when he could easily have put the team first and saved that conversation until the summer...then have departed without causing unrest in the middle of a title-race.

Poch's version of events:
“Leaving out a regular always wounds them, creating a rift between them and the coaching staff that can be very difficult to heal. Walker had just played back-to-back games for the national team. Our first match after his return was against Burnley. We played Swansea on the Wednesday and Walker started, Trippier came back into the team to face Watford on the Saturday and was man of the match. Walker came to my office after the Watford game,
'Gaffer, I've been at Tottenham for nine years. I've thought about it and my heart isn't here any more, nor is my head. I've given all I have to give. I wanted to tell you before I tell my agent that I want to leave this summer.'
'Kyle, you have to stay professional, there's a month and a half to go. We're battling for the Premier League and FA Cup. We have to be focused and finish the campaign strongly.'
'OK, gaffer. But it's already decided.'
'Well, that doesn't just depend on you or me. It depends on the club, above all. You've disappointed me because you've decided to tell me that you want to leave when there is a month and bit left in the competition. You could've sucked it up, kept quiet, trained, played and helped the team when not picked... and at the end of the season you could have come and told me.'
I considered it to be an alarming lack of respect for his team-mates and a slap in the face for the club, none of that could be explained to the public at the time.”

Under plenty of other managers (e.g. Fergie), he would never have worn the shirt again.

Funny thing about this is I’ve never seen what Walker is supposed to have done wrong here.

He was honest, courteous and fronted up with Poch before anyone else. He never hinted he wouldn’t be committed for the rest of the campaign, but he had clearly and understandably made his mind up and wanted to show his boss the respect of being honest with him.

Others may see it differently but I’d have probably done the same in Walker’s position and been pretty shocked at Poch’s reaction.

 

[Berti]

But if you really back yourself you could come in now and secure champions league for next season, the alternative is likely conference or Europa league. For the sake of 3 months work you’d think anyone with true credentials (who’s not already in a job) would want to come now and give themselves the best chance next year.

Totally agree and you'd like to think Levy would be offering up some seroius lucrative incentives to achieve it.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Absolutely. I feel like there’s still plenty of good recruitment (and coaching) which can take place outside of CL football. Yes the money helps but I don’t think being in the CL dictates what we do next season. Especially when you look at how things have gone this year.

I also think EL gives a new manager an opportunity to bed in a few new fringe players, especially if we start targeting some younger, upcoming players like Udogie.

 

[Cochise]

If anyone wants a far too nerdy and in depth piece on JN:

Julian Nagelsmann: the good, the bad and the ugly

Inside Nagelsmann, there are three men in conflict: the one he once was, the one he is, and the one he will be in the future.

medium.com

I really enjoyed reading that. Thankyou

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Sorry, that's incorrect, Deki will be £30m over several years, has been explained many times in his thread. Porro similarly.

Just like every transfer... which Im sure has also been explained - many times.

It does not change the fact that we still have to commit to £80m worth of sales, before we add any new players.

 

[Styopa]

What has the CL got to do with how united we are?

Being in the CL is purely:

- financial gain to further improve the squad and competiveness
- the chance to pit ourselves on the biggest stage (i.e. What football is all about)

Those are 2 very big reasons to want to be in it. Can also throw in that other euro competitions suck in comparison.

But point taken that we can still improve even if we miss out.

All I meant is qualifying for next season's competition is not the be-all end, in my opinion. There are more critical things we need to focus on now.

Sometimes, it seems like the club treats the Champions League like a sticky plaster over deeper wounds. It's like they decide everything is okay because we are in the Champions League- mission accomplished. But, we rarely use it as a platform to push on.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

Per his IG, Poch is in Japan. Think we can file that one into the ain't happening file.

You’re right

They don’t have telephones or internet in Japan

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

You’re right

They don’t have telephones or internet in Japan

I think the logical inference is - if he were close to coming back to Spurs, he would not have gone to Japan in the first place.

Its not difficult...

 

[daveduvet]

… Mason til end of season will be fine.

I truly doubt - with Conte in charge - we’d cement 4th spot anyway. Maybe the freedom to breathe football-wise under Ryan will mean an enjoyable style to watch. If we get CL, then brilliant.
However. The Conte debacle has reaffirmed what I didn’t wish to dwell on (internally) too much: Enic in charge will be rinse & repeat of managers ad infinitum….
Could JN do a job? I’ve no doubt he can. But if we keep making club player purchases in order to further the profit margin, we will fail EVERY future manager/coach. The deep irony is that allowing a decent manager to be part of the player purchasing situation ‘could’ create greater profit margins through success on the pitch. As was cited several years back re Levy: ‘either shit on the pot or get off’

 

[DenverSpur]

If Chelsea sack Potter, which is very possible.

Gun firmly to Julian’s head…who’s he picking?

I’m not confident in the YID army’s pulling powers if it was a straight choice. Hope my intuition is wrong.

To be honest the Chelsea job is a bit of a nightmare at the moment. Because of Boely’s transfer splurge whoever is there for the start of next season has a squad of over 30 players( not counting any new ones Boely decides he likes). It a massive job to decide who to bin and then mold the rest into a workable squad while keeping everyone happy with so many big egos and big money signings.
Im not a fan of Potter but he has my sympathy in that while trying to determine what his best starting 11 is the owner keeps buying more players, seemingly without consulting him, to complicate things further.
Until things settle down at Chelsea and the ownership step back from transfer dealings I’d be very wary of taking the managerial reins there.

 

[McFlash]

If mason gets it give up on top 4 this season

Maybe no more than anyone else.

I'm not sure Mason is ready for a fulltime PL job but I'm sure he's be fine to steer us for the rest of the season, if need be.
He's a clever lad, well thought of and has gained plenty of experience over the past few years.
It's not ideal but isn't as terrible as some make out.

 

[DenverSpur]

You’ve answered the question in your post. It’s clearly the lack of experience, the guys got less than 10 games under his belt as a manager and we’re asking him to step in and try to get us top 4.

We would be asking him to step in and game by game try his best to win each one of them. That basically is what we ask every manager to do. We can’t ask or expect any more from him than that.
He has no control over the other team’s results. Newcastle and Brighton win their games in hand they go above us regardless of how well we do.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

I think the logical inference is - if he were close to coming back to Spurs, he would not have gone to Japan in the first place.

Its not difficult...

It was a joke

but there’s plenty of talk about Mason being caretaker so it’s not impossible that a target wouldn’t be in London

It’s not difficult

 

[Japhet]

To be honest the Chelsea job is a bit of a nightmare at the moment. Because of Boely’s transfer splurge whoever is there for the start of next season has a squad of over 30 players( not counting any new ones Boely decides he likes). It a massive job to decide who to bin and then mold the rest into a workable squad while keeping everyone happy with so many big egos and big money signings.
Im not a fan of Potter but he has my sympathy in that while trying to determine what his best starting 11 is the owner keeps buying more players, seemingly without consulting him, to complicate things further.
Until things settle down at Chelsea and the ownership step back from transfer dealings I’d be very wary of taking the managerial reins there.

Potter has also ended up in the same situation he had at Brighton, i.e. a team without a proper striker. Brighton struggled to score goals but he had them playing decent football. Must be an absolute nightmare having Boehly going rogue, and as I said in another thread, it would be like a wealthy Dad buying everything for his kid and then bellowing 'PLAY WITH ALL OF THOSE TOYS IMMEDIATELY YOU UNGRATEFUL LITTLE SHIT!!!!!!!'

 

[soflapaul]

one would think that JN's decision has some subtleties about it that are pretty hard to judge from afar. If he's smart, he would avoid RM as going from one of the megaclubs to the crucible of another one is fraught with risk. Chelsea is probably attractive and one would think they are whispering in his ear. "Wait until the summer" as we aren't sure where we are going". When it comes to Spurs, there are so many factors. He has negotiated twice with us and one would think there is some pull there between the existing relationship, having some world class players and having some up and coming youth, the facilities, etc. And we all know the negatives.

There is a bit of a dilemma for him though. If he thinks the team has the tools, then waiting until the summer could cost him coaching in CL next year. I would bet that if he thinks the problem is primarily mental and he oculd turn the team around on a dime, then he'll take a short break and jump back in. If he waits until summer, that probably means he is unsure of the team and he would basically be looking for the bigger, better deal. And at that point, we are bridesmaids.

 

[Hercules]

All set. Not brave enough to say more. Yes a feckin riddle

 

[easley91]

All set. Not brave enough to say more. Yes a feckin riddle

I hate you.