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[Nebby]

It's utterly baffling why the players do it (sit back), that's the last 3 managers all saying it's the players do it instinctively and its not part of the tactics, just weird. Hopefully the new manager whoever that may be coaches it out of them.

And yet I don't recall seeing Conte or Stellini screaming at the defence to push up.

 

[neogenisis]

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[Nick-TopSpursMan]

You must have missed the final 6-8 months of his tenure, where panic was indeed common place. It all dropped off a cliff when Dembele, Toby and Jan came to an end imo. If there was one to trait to praise all three of them prior to age catching up on them, was that you could always rely on them and they would very rarely let the side down. they were solid, dependable and the rest of the team knew it.

As I said previously, our average possession in that spell was still significantly higher than since he left.

We have had some periods where we came under pressure but we had significantly more of the ball on average and played higher up the pitch and it’s there in black and white in the possession stats.

That isn’t to say we didn’t have issues and we struggled to control phases of play as well as we’d done previously but we still had significantly more attacking intent and had more of the ball under him.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

You also said ages ago you looked like Naggzman. You handsome devil.

Haha well that was coming from my mum and she thinks I am better looking than him anyway, she added since she last asked if he was going to sign up: that of course was meant to make me feel better

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

If someone gave your post a Disagree rating, they probably disagreed with your post.

Maybe they don’t like Rammstein: now that is more devastating for me!

 

[dontcallme]

Maybe they don’t like Rammstein: now that is more devastating for me!

The important thing is that you take it personally.

 

[Trix]

As I said previously, our average possession in that spell was still significantly higher than since he left.

We have had some periods where we came under pressure but we had significantly more of the ball on average and played higher up the pitch and it’s there in black and white in the possession stats.

I'm not disputing that we don't play a possession game. What I'm saying is regardless of that there is a difference to setting up to be solid and counter like we have done against City and Pool etc, to what we are doing in so many other games. Even in games where we've been on top and had good possession we've made a blunder somewhere and then reverted to type. It's 100% a mindset issue regardless of what the stats are. I completely agree that our last 3 managers have played a more pragmatic game, but that's not what I'm seeing against Everton, Forrest, Bournemouth etc. I'm seeing players panicking even when in possession and that leads to us dropping off 'just in case'. You can't miss it on the touchline mate when the managers are shouting at them to push higher up and engage earlier. They are screaming it at times and it doesn't make a shred of difference once we have gone full Anthill Mob. As I say regardless of the style of football the next guy wants to play this is the first thing that really needs addressing. Whomever comes in that has to be taken in to account PRIOR to them getting the job.

 

[GMI]

You must have missed the final 6-8 months of his tenure, where panic was indeed common place. It all dropped off a cliff when Dembele, Toby and Jan came to an end imo. If there was one to trait to praise all three of them prior to age catching up on them, was that you could always rely on them and they would very rarely let the side down. They were solid, dependable and that effect on the team was never replaced. The team trusted them to mop up any mistakes implicitly which allowed them to play with more freedom. Whoever the new guy is will need to bring that back or we will continue to rinse and repeat.

In fact the more I type the more I'm swaying towards Kompany, for the very reasons I've stated over the last few posts.

We basically need to get the Belgium quota up again. Toby, Jan and Moussa were the key for Poch. Bringing in Kompany is clearly the right direction.

 

[Dunc2610]

For those who want Poch back, what has changed since he left that would overcome the issue that were within the club when he left and would indicate it wouldn't be a repeat performance?

 

[THFCjosh]

Yeah but how many of them should be in the 11 next season once we have our new manager? Kane and Son? With perhaps Dier and Davies on the bench? Sanchez is done, as is Lloris (hopefully), while Lo Celso and Winks will very likely be sold and Lucas will be out of contract.

The idea that 'most of our current players need to leave' when like 15-16 of them have been here 3 years or less is insane.

That what I'm saying they shouldn't be anywhere near the 11 now as @Joshua shepherd said they shouldn't have been near the 11 since 2020. With Levy in charge I'm worried if we don't shift we won't get new players

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I'm not disputing that we don't play a possession game. What I'm saying is regardless of that there is a difference to setting up to be solid and counter like we have done against City and Pool etc, to what we are doing in so many other games. Even in games where we've been on top and had good possession we've made a blunder somewhere and then reverted to type. It's 100% a mindset issue regardless of what the stats are. I completely agree that our last 3 managers have played a more pragmatic game, but that's not what I'm seeing against Everton, Forrest, Bournemouth etc. I'm seeing players panicking even when in possession and that leads to us dropping off 'just in case'. You can't miss it on the touchline mate when the managers are shouting at them to push higher up and engage earlier. They are screaming it at times and it doesn't make a shred of difference once we have gone full Anthill Mob. As I say regardless of the style of football the next guy wants to play this is the first thing that really needs addressing. Whomever comes in that has to be taken in to account PRIOR to them getting the job.

I think where we differ is I strongly believe that the coaching and installation of that style has created a lot of the panic reaction and dropping off mindset.

I agree that better quality in certain areas would help us but I still think you’d see the dropping off and panic because of the mindset this coaching creates.

Even the negative and passive nature of the use of subs by Conte and Stellini previously for example mirror the mindset of the coaching style. It’s all based on fear and being reactive. What if we concede a goal? What if we lose? What if we open up too much and get countered? We wait, wait and wait some more. Reacting too late mirroring our style on the pitch.

Where as the philosophy should be how can we attack? How can we control the opponent going forward? How can we make attacking subs early to affect the game?

This passive, defensive mindset and style breeds fear, fear stifles creativity and leads to panic, panic leads to poor choices and more frequent mistakes. We often give the ball away because we have a very limited amount of options passing wise, a lot of this comes from not having enough movement offensively as a team because we’re too scared to progress up the pitch as a team and try to attack opponents.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

The important thing is that you take it personally.

Haha just genuinely intrigued: I’m not here for a willy waiving contest as genuinely I’m not an ‘in the know’ guy and not here to virtually jump on people later saying you said that and look at what happened: I appreciate people’s minds change in time etc.

Just genuinely interested in first of all the reasons why Poch is going to be disaster for us (especially when we look at the shit show of our club now).

For me Poch is a no brainer, guided us to our record points tally in the Prem, unbeaten at the old lane in 2016/17, only manager to take us to a CL final, simply the best manager we’ve had in the Premier League era and is proven on the model that most want at our club.

 

[dontcallme]

Haha just genuinely intrigued: I’m not here for a willy waiving contest as I genuinely I’m not an ‘in the know’ guy and not here to virtually jump on people later saying you said that and look at what happened: I appreciate people’s minds change in time etc.

Just genuinely interested in first of all the reasons why Poch is going to be disaster for us (especially when we look at the shit show of our club now).

For me Poch is a no brainer, guided us to our record points tally in the Prem, unbeaten at the old lane in 2016/17, only manager to take us to a CL final, simply the best manager we’ve had in the Premier League era and is proven on the model that most want at our club.

I like Poch and think he did a very good job for us.

But if I was to choose who we hire now out of realistic options, he wouldn’t be my choice.

 

[jpascavitz]

You must have missed the final 6-8 months of his tenure, where panic was indeed common place. It all dropped off a cliff when Dembele, Toby and Jan came to an end imo. If there was one to trait to praise all three of them prior to age catching up on them, was that you could always rely on them and they would very rarely let the side down. They were solid, dependable and that effect on the team was never replaced. The team trusted them to mop up any mistakes implicitly which allowed them to play with more freedom. Whoever the new guy is will need to bring that back or we will continue to rinse and repeat.

In fact the more I type the more I'm swaying towards Kompany, for the very reasons I've stated over the last few posts.

No doubt in my mind that that final Poch season corresponded with injuries and age catching up to Dembele, Wanyama, Rose, Verts, and Toby. Unless your new signings can hit the ground running and be an instant success, you're going to have some level of hardships. I also believe it's no coincidence that our form got worse this season as we lost Bentancur, who in my mind was the closest thing we've had since dembele.

As much as a club can try and prepare for it, it seems to happen 90% of top clubs, look at Liverpool this season. They've actually even got some new younger signings in the door but Nunez or Gakpo isn't comparable to Mane at this point, Diaz got a long-term injury, VVD injury/form/age, some older players as well.

So all in all, whoever the new manager is, needs some injury luck in the beginning, and needs to instill confidence at the very least in order to see those players take risks and hopefully be rewarded, so that they can continue building on that foundation.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

I like Poch and think he did a very good job for us.

But if I was to choose who we hire now out of realistic options, he wouldn’t be my choice.

Appreciated, who would your choice be then as surely we need a manager with a more positive energy and attacking style of play?

 

[LSUY]

The pictures of Nagelsmann riding a skateboard to work at Bayern completely changed my mind on him. I will never be able to take him seriously again. I'm fully aboard the Kompany train now, unless there are compromising pictures of him as well.

Do pictures of him wearing a Man City shirt count?

 

[Guntz]

For those who want Poch back, what has changed since he left that would overcome the issue that were within the club when he left and would indicate it wouldn't be a repeat performance?

You could argue we're at a similar stage to where we were when he joined in 2014.

We have a couple of older squad members that need to be moved on. But also have a good young core of upcoming players that we can potentially build around.

Poch did it once, why couldn't he do it again? Our squad is also in a much better state than in 2014.

 

[Rosco1984]

No doubt in my mind that that final Poch season corresponded with injuries and age catching up to Dembele, Wanyama, Rose, Verts, and Toby. Unless your new signings can hit the ground running and be an instant success, you're going to have some level of hardships. I also believe it's no coincidence that our form got worse this season as we lost Bentancur, who in my mind was the closest thing we've had since dembele.

As much as a club can try and prepare for it, it seems to happen 90% of top clubs, look at Liverpool this season. They've actually even got some new younger signings in the door but Nunez or Gakpo isn't comparable to Mane at this point, Diaz got a long-term injury, VVD injury/form/age, some older players as well.

So all in all, whoever the new manager is, needs some injury luck in the beginning, and needs to instill confidence at the very least in order to see those players take risks and hopefully be rewarded, so that they can continue building on that foundation.

The dreaded diamond was when it all went wrong for Poch. but i'm still convinced that came about as you say because we didnt replace Dembele and that lead to him having to play Sissoko plus 3 other centre mids to try and collect his first touch.

 

[dontcallme]

Appreciated, who would your choice be then as surely we need a manager with a more positive energy and attacking style of play?

I’m at a bit of a loss and my history of picking managers is usually shit but from what I’ve read so far I like Slot.

I think we need new energy and someone making a step up.

 

[Dunc2610]

You could argue we're at a similar stage to where we were when he joined in 2014.

We have a couple of older squad members that need to be moved on. But also have a good young core of upcoming players that we can potentially build around.

Poch did it once, why couldn't he do it again? Our squad is also in a much better state than in 2014.

Why couldn't he do it again, could point, however all the issues that existed whilst he was here still remain, so surely it'd be rinse and repeat, IF he could get the team to over perform as they did previously.