Next Manager Watch

[AJW]

Can't see Nagelsmann going to any club in Italy.

Juve are a shell of a club they once were and are in all sorts of trouble right now.

Agreed. And I can’t personally see him going to PSG where it is such a circus

 

[Yiddo100]

Agreed. And I can’t personally see him going to PSG where it is such a circus

Psg seems to be the place where careers go to die.

 

[dontcallme]

Psg seems to be the place where careers go to die.

The Chelsea of France. You might win something there but it's still an impossible club to manage.

 

[Phil-spur99]

Psg seems to be the place where careers go to die.

What does that make us?

 

[Tucker]

Psg seems to be the place where careers go to die.

They’re so badly run. People do tend to go on to be successful after leaving there though. Like Tuchel and Emery.

 

[Yiddo100]

What does that make us?

Where average players come to get great wages

 

[Tezza1978]

What does that make us?

A place where if you win a major trophy, your stock will rise exponentially and you get a statue outside the stadium next to the future one of Kane....

 

[Russ1201]

What does that make us?

True

 

[Yiddo100]

A place where if you win a major trophy, your stock will rise exponentially and you get a statue outside the stadium next to the future one of Kane....

Hope the new manager takes the conference league seriously if we get it, it’s not an easy trophy to win or the most glamorous but it’s still a trophy and can start to bring a winning mentality to the squad, if the manager could get that in his first season then they’ll already be onto a winner

 

[coysjod]

I think maybe one of the reason clubs are more hesitant to pay manager buyouts is the difference in accounting treatment for those vs transfers.

Transfers fees are capitalized and expensed (amortized) over the contract term. So signing a player for 10m on a 5 year contract means the expense that year for that transfer will be 2m (10m/5yrs).

That accounting treatment doesn't exist for manager buy outs so buying out Nagelsmann (as an example) for 10m and paying him 10m a year in wages means the club would be incurring 20m in expenses for that accounting year.

It also gets dicey as if the manager flops and has to be sacked, the cost to sack him would also be incurred in the same financial year. Whereas with a player (especially when we're talking transfers the size of 10m), there's always the possibility that the amount could be recouped. And from an accounting perspective selling the player for the same price you bought him for a year or two later would be recognized as a profit.

20m may not seem like a lot but it also has to be considered in the grant scheme of the total costs that football clubs have to manager.

I'm sure there's other more sophisticated reasons why clubs appear hesitant to pay manager buyouts vs transfers despite managers being more important. The above is just my perspective as an accountant.

So we should loan our managers out instead of firing them...

 

[kent brockman]

I think maybe one of the reason clubs are more hesitant to pay manager buyouts is the difference in accounting treatment for those vs transfers.

Transfers fees are capitalized and expensed (amortized) over the contract term. So signing a player for 10m on a 5 year contract means the expense that year for that transfer will be 2m (10m/5yrs).

That accounting treatment doesn't exist for manager buy outs so buying out Nagelsmann (as an example) for 10m and paying him 10m a year in wages means the club would be incurring 20m in expenses for that accounting year.

Not knocking your knowledge, mate. But what is the reasoning for that position under the applicable GAAP?

Is that because a manager (unlike a player) can be sacked before his contract is up?

 

[Stamford]

Have to say Alonso would be incredibly underwhelming for me. Think the other options are much better.

 

[Johnny J]

Is that because a manager (unlike a player) can be sacked before his contract is up?

Both players and managers can be sacked before their contract is up. There's no distinction there, legally. It just doesn't happen very often with players, as they're viewed as a commercial asset, not just an employee.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Not knocking your knowledge, mate. But what is the reasoning for that position under the applicable GAAP?

Is that because a manager (unlike a player) can be sacked before his contract is up?

I am not up on GAAP standards, but I would assume it is rooted in the notion that players are viewed as assets of the club (more specifically player contracts).

Players can get sacked - its a bit unusual but could happen.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Have to say Alonso would be incredibly underwhelming for me. Think the other options are much better.

I am intrigued by Alonso - listening to a few things from him, and he has a very deep understanding of the game/tactics, etc.

I don't know how well he can impart that knowledge on the players - but of all the candidates, I think he is the one most likely to be innovative on the field, and put players in positions to succeed.

He has the playing pedigree to command respect from the players, and I think he has the tactical nous to be a great manager. If he can actually coach - he could be the next Pep (both good and bad).

 

[k33pster]

Burnley have just announced Kompany has signed a new five year deal so that closes the door on that option

 

[brasil_spur]

He has the playing pedigree to command respect from the players, and I think he has the tactical nous to be a great manager. If he can actually coach - he could be the next Pep (both good and bad).

Definitely a key part

 

[Guntz]

Good on Kompany

Always like it when young managers don't jump ship for a bigger job after a bit of success.

I do think they're going to struggle with the step-up next year though.

 

[Hoopspur]

5 year contract is quite a commitment either way. Whatever happens I can’t envisage him being there that long. Not predicting this will happen but what if they get relegated back down with a record low of points next season?

 

[Jamturk]

Good on Kompany

Always like it when young managers don't jump ship for a bigger job after a bit of success.

I do think they're going to struggle with the step-up next year though.

How do you know we offered him the job?