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[Bluto Blutarsky]

So i dont really know the law but is there anything to stop him just resigning? Would the contract state that he couldnt do another job until the contract runs out even if he resigns?

Typically yes. That is th trade off - contact guarantees compensation to the employee, but protects the employer from the employee leaving.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Presumably they stick a non-compete clause in these things these days.

We don't really compete with anyone so that clause won't matter...

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

Keep watching. Nothing is over and out. Smokescreen possibly going on. Sorry I cannot be more specific. But it could work out to be a very pleasant surprise. Not Poch surprise.

Couldn’t wrap my head around why we would potentially need a smokescreen when hiring a manager, but I think I might’ve actually clocked it now and it makes some things make a lot more sense.

What if the smokescreen is trying to convince Bayern that we absolutely don’t want Nagelsmann?

It was well publicised early on that Bayern would be looking for a huge payout if a club appointed Nagelsmann (£25 million), but at the same time if nobody signs Nagelsmann then Bayern will have to keep paying him his large wages which is the worst case scenario for them.

My theory is that our goal was to try and convince Bayern that we don’t want Nagelsmann at all, so that they end up coming back to us and informing us that they will no longer look for the £25 million so they can just get him off their books.

This theory is probably the only reasonable explanation for why Spurs would think it would be a good idea to leak to anyone that would listen that we have absolutely zero intention of signing or approaching Nagelsmann.

Then we go on to leak that we’re in very advanced talks with Arne Slot to put even more pressure on Bayern to relent on their demands.

Honestly, I think there’s probably too much media talk about Slot for this theory to actually prove to be any bit true, and if it was true at any stage then surely we’ve gone in too deep on Slot to go back. But found it interesting myself at least so wanted to share it

 

[brasil_spur]

*A disciple of Pep Guardiola and in the mould of Mauricio Pochettino, with the accent of Martin Jol and the bald head of Daniel Levy.

Now we just need him to turn up to the first day training and stick his head out the window of his range rover and he'll have the cheeky-chappy way of Harry Redknapp to complete the list.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Couldn’t wrap my head around why we would potentially need a smokescreen when hiring a manager, but I think I might’ve actually clocked it now and it makes some things make a lot more sense.

What if the smokescreen is trying to convince Bayern that we absolutely don’t want Nagelsmann?

It was well publicised early on that Bayern would be looking for a huge payout if a club appointed Nagelsmann (£25 million), but at the same time if nobody signs Nagelsmann then Bayern will have to keep paying him his large wages which is the worst case scenario for them.

My theory is that our goal was to try and convince Bayern that we don’t want Nagelsmann at all, so that they end up coming back to us and informing us that they will no longer look for the £25 million so they can just get him off their books.

This theory is probably the only reasonable explanation for why Spurs would think it would be a good idea to leak to anyone that would listen that we have absolutely zero intention of signing or approaching Nagelsmann.

Then we go on to leak that we’re in very advanced talks with Arne Slot to put even more pressure on Bayern to relent on their demands.

Honestly, I think there’s probably too much media talk about Slot for this theory to actually prove to be any bit true, and if it was true at any stage then surely we’ve gone in too deep on Slot to go back. But found it interesting myself at least so wanted to share it

Not a bad theory but like you say, at this point I think we very clearly want Slot. I know you never know until its done, and who knows what happens in the meeting between Feyenoord and Slot tomorrow but I would be amazed (unless Feyenoord come back with an absurd fee) if we don't get Slot. I still want Nagelsmann but I think theres little to no chance of it happening now. Every report is saying Slot is who we want.

 

[Derryank]

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Slot has a £5m release clause in his contract but it is not possible to activate it until next summer. Feyenoord, having just become Dutch champions, don’t want him to leave and it is likely agreement will only be reached if Tottenham behave respectfully and pay more than £10m in compensation.

That’s us fucked then!!!

ought WLB clarified 13M for release.....

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

Waving a tube ticket of immense dimensions to make us proud!

 

[luRRka]

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ought WLB clarified 13M for release.....

That was amorim

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Yeah of course no-one will compare to Kane but I just don't think Giminez looks good enough for the top end of the PL whether we're a pressing team or not. Regardless of our style of play, we ideally want a good player to replace Kane, even if we're all safe in the knowledge they can't be anything but a big step down.

It's why I mentioned Toney and Watkins. 2 players that would obviously still be a step down but are the type of player I think we're probably aiming at. Watkins especially is a monster off the ball and a decent all round player, even if his finishing is inconsistent (although we'd never get him off Villa now, sadly).

But yeah, going back to Slot, if we get him I agree the long term aim would be to develop into more of a coherent, pressing, attacking unit rather than just relying on Kane's brilliance and Son's finishing.

Might be a bit controversial but a striker like Daka could be a good option for the way that Arne Slot likes to play. There aren’t actually many (if any) players I’d want at Spurs from that Feyenoord team. Kokcu is probably the most likely of their players who could make the jump but already had to get stronger and work harder just for the Dutch league, so it’s nowhere near guaranteed that he adapts to the PL. Hancko and Rasmussen might have a chance at making it in the PL but they would both be a big risk.

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Couldn’t wrap my head around why we would potentially need a smokescreen when hiring a manager, but I think I might’ve actually clocked it now and it makes some things make a lot more sense.

What if the smokescreen is trying to convince Bayern that we absolutely don’t want Nagelsmann?

It was well publicised early on that Bayern would be looking for a huge payout if a club appointed Nagelsmann (£25 million), but at the same time if nobody signs Nagelsmann then Bayern will have to keep paying him his large wages which is the worst case scenario for them.

My theory is that our goal was to try and convince Bayern that we don’t want Nagelsmann at all, so that they end up coming back to us and informing us that they will no longer look for the £25 million so they can just get him off their books.

This theory is probably the only reasonable explanation for why Spurs would think it would be a good idea to leak to anyone that would listen that we have absolutely zero intention of signing or approaching Nagelsmann.

Then we go on to leak that we’re in very advanced talks with Arne Slot to put even more pressure on Bayern to relent on their demands.

Honestly, I think there’s probably too much media talk about Slot for this theory to actually prove to be any bit true, and if it was true at any stage then surely we’ve gone in too deep on Slot to go back. But found it interesting myself at least so wanted to share it

I don’t buy it. Why would us having zero interest in even talking to Nagelsmann make Bayern approach us and inform us that they would accept a reduced fee? If we wanted Nagelsman and he wanted us then Spurs and Bayern would sit down and agree something between them. During which negotiations I’m sure our side would point out that we also like Slot and think we could get him for (say) £7m and let Bayern do their own risk analysis on that.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I don’t buy it. Why would us having zero interest in even talking to Nagelsmann make Bayern approach us and inform us that they would accept a reduced fee? If we wanted Nagelsman and he wanted us then Spurs and Bayern would sit down and agree something between them. During which negotiations I’m sure our side would point out that we also like Slot and think we could get him for (say) £7m and let Bayern do their own risk analysis on that.

Hard to say.

But Bayern may be working under the impression that they will definitely get something for Nagelsmann, and they won't have to continue paying his wages this upcoming season. If we back-out, where does Nagelsmann go? Already ruled out Chelsea. A non-English team is not going to be able to afford to buy Nagelsmann out of his Bayern contract.

So, that could leave Bayern with having to pay Nagelsmann to run down his contract, and then get nothing at all - the exact opposite of what they expected. So, the thought of that could soften their negotiating stance.

I have jumped trains, and am fully onboard the Slot mobile - but if Levy wants Nagelsmann, I can see this as a negotiating ploy.

 

[Stuart Leathercock]

Hard to say.

But Bayern may be working under the impression that they will definitely get something for Nagelsmann, and they won't have to continue paying his wages this upcoming season. If we back-out, where does Nagelsmann go? Already ruled out Chelsea. A non-English team is not going to be able to afford to buy Nagelsmann out of his Bayern contract.

So, that could leave Bayern with having to pay Nagelsmann to run down his contract, and then get nothing at all - the exact opposite of what they expected. So, the thought of that could soften their negotiating stance.

I have jumped trains, and am fully onboard the Slot mobile - but if Levy wants Nagelsmann, I can see this as a negotiating ploy.

They probably expect Levy to panic and offer to pay the full whack for Nagelsmann, 12 games into next season when he sacks Slot for only having the team in 12th place in the league due to having to introduce a completely new system while not getting much in the way of transfer funds to spend.

 

[robertgoulet]

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ought WLB clarified 13M for release.....

Amorim was 13M.

Slot makes 2Mish/season and only has 2 yrs left on his current deal. 13 would be crazy!

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Amorim was 13M.

Slot makes 2Mish/season and only has 2 yrs left on his current deal. 13 would be crazy!

Reportedly 5M - but it only goes into effect next summer.

 

[Dunc2610]

Isn't the figure Feyenoord are asking for to cover his assistants too though, in which case £10m doesn't seem out of the question?

 

[robertgoulet]

Isn't the figure Feyenoord are asking for to cover his assistants too though, in which case £10m doesn't seem out of the question?

The talk was he was only bringing 1 or 2 assistants. Can’t imagine they make enough to double that number.

 

[jbstarr14]

Hard to say.

But Bayern may be working under the impression that they will definitely get something for Nagelsmann, and they won't have to continue paying his wages this upcoming season. If we back-out, where does Nagelsmann go? Already ruled out Chelsea. A non-English team is not going to be able to afford to buy Nagelsmann out of his Bayern contract.

So, that could leave Bayern with having to pay Nagelsmann to run down his contract, and then get nothing at all - the exact opposite of what they expected. So, the thought of that could soften their negotiating stance.

I have jumped trains, and am fully onboard the Slot mobile - but if Levy wants Nagelsmann, I can see this as a negotiating ploy.

If I was in JN’s position, I’d be surfing in Bali until BM called and begged me to accept a pay-off.

 

[the yid]

Isn't the figure Feyenoord are asking for to cover his assistants too though, in which case £10m doesn't seem out of the question?

I'm sure we're more than aware of the compensation fee already

 

[Gingernut]

I'm sure we're more than aware of the compensation fee already

Are you sure? This is the club that gave Doherty away for free because they forgot about the loan rules!

 

[traditionneverdies]

I had to look this up - and its true - about being comparable to Ligue 1

The Dutch league is very comparable to France. They are slightly behind on UEFA coefficient but most of that is PSG

It made me laugh .

The Dutch league is very comparable to the Belgian league . They have multiple times tried to create a BeNe league with the top 6 of each country competing against each other in an attempt to close the gap with the big countries.
Feyenoord and PSV are better teams than Westerlo and Charleroi just as Club Brugge and Antwerp are better teams than Go Ahead Eagles and Heerenveen.
If you look at the UEFA numbers for the 22/23 season than it's Belgium at 5, the Netherlands at 6 and France at 7. Nobody I know is saying that the Belgian league is better than Ligue 1.
For instance, one of the main scouting areas for the lesser teams in the Belgian league is the 'Championnat National' (the French 3rd division).

Only reading/hearing postive things about Arne Slot. Looking forward to next season!