Next Manager Watch

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I haven't actually been impressed with Ten Haag. His football seems uninspiring, and if it wasn't for some special players doing special things, and other teams dropping off a cliff, I don't think United would have been near top 4.
We shall see how next season goes but for right now I'm happy we didn't hire him.

This is off-topic, unless EtH decides to make the funniest managerial move ever, but this is harsh; he’s come into Utd, and deduced pretty quickly that playing his style of football is going to be pretty redundant with the squad he currently has, so he’s resorted to a more pragmatic style. It’s won them a cup, and got CL.

Now you’d imagine they’ll have a window designed to shape his squad to his style of football.

Arteta did the same when he started. They played some dross stuff and the fans were raging until they started bribing in the likes of Odegaard, White, now Saliba, Zinchenko etc.

 

[barry]

Possibly get negged to within an inch of my life here and probably indulging in a massive dose of confirmation bias but, for me, JN is our guy and has been top/joint top since pretty much day 1. I know our management have shown their apparent incompetence on more than one occasion but not to be actively going after him would be up there with anything they have or haven't done during their tenure. Perhaps there's something I've missed and I'm sure i will be soon corrected but my reasoning is as follows:

He has the profile we should be and we seem to be looking for.
Levy is a fan and wanted him before his stint at Bayern.
He's turned down Chelsea and has commented on that.
We vehemently denied being in contact (methinks too heavyhandedly).
He's made no comment on the link with us.
We don't really seem to be actively pursuing anyone else, even though we've been without a manager for 2 months now even though it has probably cost us Europe in what could be HK"s last season.

Now I'm going to try and square the above circle as it just doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

Bayern retain his registration.
They've been a bit of a shitshow internally for the past few years too.
Due to this, they removed one of the (potentially) top German managers in the world, while a point off the head of the table (with game in hand iirc), while deep in the CL (and unbeaten in that competition) and while still being in the German Cup.
This internal unease has further being proven by their removal of OK and HS from their jobs in the aftermath of winning the league. Two of their many legends.
They paid a lot of money to get him out of his previous contract and have put him on gardening leave to try and recoup some of their outlay so perhaps we're waiting for them to blink first. Perhaps the rumoured clause for reduced compensation was only active in the last few years of his contract and they retain a +1 option. Maybe that's why we were so vehement about having no interest.
For me, AS ticked all the boxes too but a little less proven in a lesser league yet we didn't really seem to put our best foot forward there. We flirted. The optics of giving chase were there, but we seem to not to have tested the depth of feyenoords resolve to keep their man.
The whole DOF thing feeds into this flight of fancy too. Maybe we haven't appointed anyone yet because our choice could be considered to be a "Nagelsmann choice" and would keep Bayern on their toes about potentially recouping some of their outlay.
Unsure whether Bayern winning the title and potentially resolving some of their internal issues has put a spanner in the works or has helped our cause but hopefully, with this being the end of the season, we'll be put out of our misery soon.

I know the above is a very positive spin. Littered with ifs/buts/maybes and gives our board an awful lot of perhaps undue credit but it's helping me sleep at night.

Mate it could happen if Levy's feeling the heat, BUT vehemently denying we were ever interested in him doesn't make any sense to me. It served no purpose, and make's us look like absolute comedians if we do hire him.

Why do it if you're above thesis is correct, and there's a method to this madness?

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Please not fucking Tuchel. I've accepted under the current regime we probably won't win much. I've made my peace with that. But playing Tuchel ball after the crap we've been served up for 4 seasons... Yeah I'll be done.

Tuchel would show the board haven’t learned a single thing. You think Conte was a fiery character? Another case of great manager, wrong club.

 

[Tucker]

Get Gallardo in for that big dick energy.

Gallardo statue sparks mockery over crotch bulge

A statue unveiled in Argentina in honour of River Plate legend Marcelo Gallardo has sparked mockery online over its oversized crotch area.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[barry]

This is off-topic, unless EtH decides to make the funniest managerial move ever, but this is harsh; he’s come into Utd, and deduced pretty quickly that playing his style of football is going to be pretty redundant with the squad he currently has, so he’s resorted to a more pragmatic style. It’s won them a cup, and got CL.

Now you’d imagine they’ll have a window designed to shape his squad to his style of football.

Arteta did the same when he started. They played some dross stuff and the fans were raging until they started bribing in the likes of Odegaard, White, now Saliba, Zinchenko etc.

Maybe you're right, so we'll see next season, but being battered by Liverpool, and imo not really implementing any discernable style of play hasn't impressed me thus far.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

My preference list right now, out of managers who have been rumored or mentioned here is:

1. Nagelsmann

Gap

2. Amorim
3. Gallardo

Gap

4. Ange
5. Potter
6. Frank

I think Amorim gets some very undue stick here from people who don’t know much about him. He is not a Conte v2 just because he plays 5 at the back with Sporting. He’s an extremely capable coach who is tactically versatile, makes players better, and develops very meaningful squad harmony.

Just on Amorim, one of the main reasons I don’t rate him is people don’t quite realise just how strong his team was personnel wise last season when they were dominating games in the Portuguese league.

His midfield 3 consisted of Joao Palhinha, Matheus Nunes and Manuel Ugarte. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that these are all £50m+ players and could/should be playing for a top tier champions league team.

So of course with this standard of player your going to dominate the Portuguese league with possession etc.
But that doesn’t change the fact that ultimately he is a pragmatic coach first and foremost.

 

[nedley]

And what if he never intended to come? What if he wanted to stay in Holland? Did he just use the links to get an improved contract?
Put your rationale into Harry Kane. Just because another club want doesn’t automatically mean another club gets. No matter how much money is on offer.

You not see his interview then?

 

[Mister Jez]

Possibly get negged to within an inch of my life here and probably indulging in a massive dose of confirmation bias but, for me, JN is our guy and has been top/joint top since pretty much day 1. I know our management have shown their apparent incompetence on more than one occasion but not to be actively going after him would be up there with anything they have or haven't done during their tenure. Perhaps there's something I've missed and I'm sure i will be soon corrected but my reasoning is as follows:

He has the profile we should be and we seem to be looking for.
Levy is a fan and wanted him before his stint at Bayern.
He's turned down Chelsea and has commented on that.
We vehemently denied being in contact (methinks too heavyhandedly).
He's made no comment on the link with us.
We don't really seem to be actively pursuing anyone else, even though we've been without a manager for 2 months now even though it has probably cost us Europe in what could be HK"s last season.

Now I'm going to try and square the above circle as it just doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

Bayern retain his registration.
They've been a bit of a shitshow internally for the past few years too.
Due to this, they removed one of the (potentially) top German managers in the world, while a point off the head of the table (with game in hand iirc), while deep in the CL (and unbeaten in that competition) and while still being in the German Cup.
This internal unease has further being proven by their removal of OK and HS from their jobs in the aftermath of winning the league. Two of their many legends.
They paid a lot of money to get him out of his previous contract and have put him on gardening leave to try and recoup some of their outlay so perhaps we're waiting for them to blink first. Perhaps the rumoured clause for reduced compensation was only active in the last few years of his contract and they retain a +1 option. Maybe that's why we were so vehement about having no interest.
For me, AS ticked all the boxes too but a little less proven in a lesser league yet we didn't really seem to put our best foot forward there. We flirted. The optics of giving chase were there, but we seem to not to have tested the depth of feyenoords resolve to keep their man.
The whole DOF thing feeds into this flight of fancy too. Maybe we haven't appointed anyone yet because our choice could be considered to be a "Nagelsmann choice" and would keep Bayern on their toes about potentially recouping some of their outlay.
Unsure whether Bayern winning the title and potentially resolving some of their internal issues has put a spanner in the works or has helped our cause but hopefully, with this being the end of the season, we'll be put out of our misery soon.

I know the above is a very positive spin. Littered with ifs/buts/maybes and gives our board an awful lot of perhaps undue credit but it's helping me sleep at night.

This whole thread consists of if/buts/maybes.

 

[allatsea]

Reports of Tuchel walking out of Bayern today.

Reports where ?

 

[Johnny J]

Let's stop this Tuchel nonsense, he's not walking out on them a day after winning a title. It's obviously bullshit.

 

[HoltbiusMac]

Just on Amorim, one of the main reasons I don’t rate him is people don’t quite realise just how strong his team was personnel wise last season when they were dominating games in the Portuguese league.

His midfield 3 consisted of Joao Palhinha, Matheus Nunes and Manuel Ugarte. I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that these are all £50m+ players and could/should be playing for a top tier champions league team.

So of course with this standard of player your going to dominate the Portuguese league with possession etc.
But that doesn’t change the fact that ultimately he is a pragmatic coach first and foremost.

Would he not deserve credit for developing those players though? Not like they were prime established players. Sounds like the same argument that actually Poch didn’t do that good job with us because he had Kane, Dele, Dembele etc. when of course you never know what those players would have been without him.

 

[spursfan77]

My nephew works at a private airport in London and he told me a few days ago that Tuchel flew in. He also spoke to Kane’s camp on the phone whilst waiting for a driver.

Im not claiming this to be ITK, and i had assumed if true this would be more about him trying to tempt Kane to Munich. However, in light of the news this morning….

Optimistic itk is always my favourite type of info. A bit like the bloke who spoke to Spence in Sainsbury’s, which was our last most recent bit. But like you say it’s probably about Kane.

 

[Japhet]

Imagine him here. The fire works would be immense!

Former Chelsea manager. Big ego. Reputation for being outspoken and clashing with everybody.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[robotsonic]

Mate it could happen if Levy's feeling the heat, BUT vehemently denying we were ever interested in him doesn't make any sense to me. It served no purpose, and make's us look like absolute comedians if we do hire him.

Why do it if you're above thesis is correct, and there's a method to this madness?

Always felt that the nature of that statement was as much for legal reasons as anything else, as we had been talking to his camp per ITK, but probably didn't have permission to be.

 

[Tucker]

Let's stop this Tuchel nonsense, he's not walking out on them a day after winning a title. It's obviously bullshit.

He’d be a disaster here anyway. Decent coach, but there’s no way he’s gonna be happy to work within the framework Levy has here. Will just end up in another big falling out.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Not great our situation. Some very damaging (and avoidable) results in the latter stages of the season - no Europe, Kane more likely to go, negative sentiment around the club

Better momentum and we could get the likes of Maddison. I don't see it now

 

[Guernman]

Get Gallardo in for that big dick energy.

Gallardo statue sparks mockery over crotch bulge

A statue unveiled in Argentina in honour of River Plate legend Marcelo Gallardo has sparked mockery online over its oversized crotch area.

www.bbc.co.uk

If only Levy had the balls to hire him…

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Having Nagelsmann available and not doing all we can to get him is beyond short sighted. He publicly distanced himself from Chelsea, but not from us. Rumours he did make demands about wanting a DoF to work with and maybe even offered some names, we then rather oddly distanced ourselves despite it being common knowledge there had been some communication. Not sure if this was designed to weaken Bayern’s hand at compensation, but the Slot debacle suggests not and we now look more desperate than ever.
Levy’s bold speech about giving the football side what it needs to be successful, why would you overlook JN when all the other options just all look a step down, and given how we have been after him before, it’s so odd we aren’t making a stronger play. He could unify the fan base, and instil some confidence back in the players. Just got to hope if/when the ongoing DoF search comes to a conclusion that it could bring this back around. I’m also hoping now the season has concluded, all distractions are out the way.
Given how publicly desperate we must appear, it’s amazing JN hasn’t distanced himself. Also, clubs with managers under contract are going to do exactly what Feyenoord did, and demand huge compensation sums, so sadly Levy is going to have to bite the bullet there, unless he goes for someone out of a job like Gallardo, Enrique, Potter or Rodgers, but they bring their own individual risks, and don’t feel like they are the clubs primary picks for differing reasons.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Possibly get negged to within an inch of my life here and probably indulging in a massive dose of confirmation bias but, for me, JN is our guy and has been top/joint top since pretty much day 1. I know our management have shown their apparent incompetence on more than one occasion but not to be actively going after him would be up there with anything they have or haven't done during their tenure. Perhaps there's something I've missed and I'm sure i will be soon corrected but my reasoning is as follows:

He has the profile we should be and we seem to be looking for.
Levy is a fan and wanted him before his stint at Bayern.
He's turned down Chelsea and has commented on that.
We vehemently denied being in contact (methinks too heavyhandedly).
He's made no comment on the link with us.
We don't really seem to be actively pursuing anyone else, even though we've been without a manager for 2 months now even though it has probably cost us Europe in what could be HK"s last season.

Now I'm going to try and square the above circle as it just doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

Bayern retain his registration.
They've been a bit of a shitshow internally for the past few years too.
Due to this, they removed one of the (potentially) top German managers in the world, while a point off the head of the table (with game in hand iirc), while deep in the CL (and unbeaten in that competition) and while still being in the German Cup.
This internal unease has further being proven by their removal of OK and HS from their jobs in the aftermath of winning the league. Two of their many legends.
They paid a lot of money to get him out of his previous contract and have put him on gardening leave to try and recoup some of their outlay so perhaps we're waiting for them to blink first. Perhaps the rumoured clause for reduced compensation was only active in the last few years of his contract and they retain a +1 option. Maybe that's why we were so vehement about having no interest.
For me, AS ticked all the boxes too but a little less proven in a lesser league yet we didn't really seem to put our best foot forward there. We flirted. The optics of giving chase were there, but we seem to not to have tested the depth of feyenoords resolve to keep their man.
The whole DOF thing feeds into this flight of fancy too. Maybe we haven't appointed anyone yet because our choice could be considered to be a "Nagelsmann choice" and would keep Bayern on their toes about potentially recouping some of their outlay.
Unsure whether Bayern winning the title and potentially resolving some of their internal issues has put a spanner in the works or has helped our cause but hopefully, with this being the end of the season, we'll be put out of our misery soon.

I know the above is a very positive spin. Littered with ifs/buts/maybes and gives our board an awful lot of perhaps undue credit but it's helping me sleep at night.

I like this post. Mainly because I too retain hope that the reason it's gone very quiet on the Nagelsmann front, both to us and as far as i'm aware, to anyone else, is that we're still trying.

Perhaps something is afoot. Other than Levy

 

[EssexSH27]

I just wanna see one link to Gallardo