Next Manager Watch

[makeveli]

It’s baffling to see why joe Lewis as the owner is backing his man still after so many constant bad management mistakes.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

It’s baffling to see why joe Lewis as the owner is backing his man still after so many constant bad management mistakes.

Please allow me to unbaffle you

Joe Lewis doesn't give a flying fingerbang about the football club other than what the ROI is.

 

[SuperLuka]

It’s baffling to see why joe Lewis as the owner is backing his man still after so many constant bad management mistakes.

Because under Levy's management his initial 75m(?) Investment is now a multi billion pound business?

 

[JW72]

It will be in my opinion underwhelming from what I’m hearing. Just can’t see our chairman letting go.

Oh dear. What happened to the “pleasant surprise” option you mentioned a few days ago?

 

[Angel Eyes]

I’m

Speechless?

 

[Ghost Hardware]

 

[Bing]

Please allow me to unbaffle you

Joe Lewis doesn't give a flying fingerbang about the football club other than what the ROI is.

A few bad seasons with mid-table finishes and no European football could put a serious dent in valuations investors would place on the club.

Interestingly we are fast reaching the point where out interest as fans aligns with Joe Lewis interests as an investor. I am certain Levy is feeling the pressure now and knows what's at stake.....he's built a lot of goodwill with investors over the years but another bad management appointment and Uncle Joe will start to take more notice.

 

[N17NBL]

I’m

Batman?

 

[Danny1]

I’m

Flying without wings?

 

[GioW]

Keeping a close eye on Celtic's forums recently . General feeling on Ange seems to be :

Most think he'd jump at chance to move to PL

Some hoping the chaos around us puts him off . Others seem to think that would only entice him more

They reckon we'd be looking for a bigger name to please our fans as reckon a chunk of our fan base wouldn't be happy (probably correct)

Hoping Ange holds out as they reckon he could well have a big chance at the City gig when Pep leaves.

The football is far better than anything they'd seen under Rodgers etc.

They've never been more attached to a manager .

Reckon he'd be unemployed by Christmas because , you know, Tottenham.

Basically they're bricking it . But that does have something to do with the fact that they reckon Neil Lennon might come back .

 

[easley91]

This is it really. Does anyone see us bringing in a manager, DoF and have the major transfers done in 35 days? I certainly don’t. I mean I can’t even see us having a manager for another 2 or 3 weeks.

There is zero way next season won’t be massively impacted by our current indecisiveness.

We did a lot of business early last summer and had a crap year. Nobody knows how the season will pan out.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Nagelsmann would also be a big draw on the player recruitment front which needs a huge shake up. He's way ahead of all the other candidates in that respect. No idea why we haven't thrown the kitchen sink at this and it seems obvious to me that Levy is more concerned about not spending money above anything else. Even with the pressure he's under he simply can't see beyond the money. He blew the Slot 'deal' by being too tight and will most likely do it again with JN.

Feyenoord have shown the play now. If you don’t want your manager to leave, and he’s under contract, demand a big fee and Levy will turn tail whilst issuing a distancing PR statement. Why would Celtic (AP), Sporting (RA) not now take the same approach

It's absolutely incredible that despite clear evidence our football side is in a doom spiral, Levy is still penny pinching when it comes to our next manager. He's more clueless than I thought if he doesn't realise that if we don't take drastic action now we will be a bottom half club.

This is what baffles me.
2020/2021 season, Chelsea are struggling under Lampard, they bring in Tuchel, no new players, he gets them from mid table to top 4, and actually wins the CL that same year.
2021/2022 season, Spurs are floundering under Nuno, lowest performance stats in the league, we get in Conte and go on a run of form that sees us grab top 4 with some high octane performances.
2022/2023 season, Gerrard has Villa in a relegation battle, Emery comes in, transforms their style on the fly, and they end up taking a European slot, big swing in form.

So why can Levy not see the importance of getting the right manager in this time. He pulled it off with Conte, but was that just fortunate that he was unattached and free? The value in terms of maximising player performances under the right manager surely outweighs the cost of having to buy them out. There are free agents out there, and have been all along, Poch, Enrique, Gallardo who all in their own ways could have offered something, but 60 odd days later we are no closer (apparently). That’s why it comes across so aimless. In Nagelsmann you would get a manager proven to (at Hoffenheim) galvanise and improve what he has around him. At RBL he worked in a more data led project environment and had them challenging near the top of the Bundesliga against the traditional powerhouses. Then at Bayern he shows he can manage ready made sides and deliver as expected. Ticks so many boxes for all the stages of a rebuild. If his one request was a DoF that he felt he could work and would deliver him the players to perform, why is that a concern?
Pay the money Levy, then sit back and show you do take the football side seriously.

 

[olithfc]

Not itk but that's how it feels to me.

If so, why delay appointing a dof?

 

[Trix]

If so, why delay appointing a dof?

Probably because they don't know yet who it's going to be. Tbh I'm done trying to make sense of why we do things how we do.

 

[BujuBanton]

Any chairman with half a brain knows thst there is very little good will with supporters at the moment. Therefore they would be moving heaven and earth to fix that.

yet at spurs we’re likely to appoint the cheapest option. i guess thats our true DNA.

Ange is going to need a start of epic/miracle proportions otherwise he’ll be hounded out by october.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Slot didn't decide to stay there because of CL or because it was a successful team. He decided to stay because when it came to crunch time the club wouldn't consider paying the price required. I expect that is in part because of all the indecision at the club right now, levy was never truly convinced. Make no mistake though Slot would have come had we pushed for him.

This is what happened in 20-21. I've been saying all along that top managers need to know they are wanted it's how they know they'll be backed and supported. When push comes to shove and you sit on your hands saying "well we like you but not at that price" whilst speaking to others of course they are going to go with another option.

And that is a financial mindset with no plan not a plan for sporting success.

The biggest issue has always been the lack of a vision, plan and football direction. Because there isn’t one and Levy being a bean 🫘 counter anyway by nature, he twists himself up in a pretzel and says thanks but no thanks when it comes to spending because he’s ‘not convinced’.

Well of course he’s not convinced because there is no plan as to what he/we as a club want.

As Mason says the key is to work out ‘who we want to be’ then hire people to fit that.

This has held us back so so many times under Levy on managers and players.

Spending £20mil on Slot could’ve transformed us, now we will be scraping the barrel as we’ve dithered too long AGAIN.

It’s why we end up signing Danjuma’s and N’Jie’s and not Mane’s and Grealishes.

This is what I mean when I said Levy has no clue about football and a plan for sporting success, he was happy to pay big wages to Conte and Jose because they’re two of the biggest names in football so he simply sees that as a low risk investment but that isn’t how sport works, you need a plan and an identity and a system and put people in to fit that.

The Manager is always the most
Important person at the club, we’ve seen what Pep, Klopp, Howe, Ten Haag etc have done to transform those clubs, Poch with us… so so disappointing we didn’t get Slot as he was the one for me, just like Ten Haag was in 2021 but not surprising because a leopard doesn’t change their spots so we will be forever hamstrung with Levy.

A businessman should NOT be deciding who our next manager is, it should be a football person and one who understands the DNA of our club (so not Paratici cough* Gattuso,Nuno )

In that case we will almost definitely go for an out of work manager and/or one with a very low get out fee. This is probably why JN is a non starter because he’s technically still contracted to Bayern so we’d have to pay a huge fee for him.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

When we asked people to stop posting aggregators and all that, what that meant was, all of it. I've actually been very impressed with the restraint being shown and how people have done as we've asked, it makes this thread SO very, very much better, so thank you for that..........BUT something is creeping in.............

The 'workaround' is NOT to post what they are saying without linking, posting 'news' without linking or any other clever bastard strokes that in your imagination is a genius move that we'll never latch on to. Stop it, don't do it, don't make me launch the official site probe up your rectums.

So let's carry on as we are, much less shit, much less angst and crucially, much less for me to do

Yay.

 

[Hoopspur]

I can fully understand why Spurs might not want to push for Slot IF it were going to cost a shed load of money. I’m not sure how many on here truly believed he would be a 100% success. Yes, I know no one is that but if it’s seen as a bit of a creative appointment then it might have been risky. Make no mistake Maureen and Conte were not cheap.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I can fully understand why Spurs might not want to push for Slot IF it were going to cost a shed load of money. I’m not sure how many on here truly believed he would be a 100% success. Yes, I know no one is that but if it’s seen as a bit of a creative appointment then it might have been risky. Make no mistake Maureen and Conte were not cheap.

Neither required buying out of a club and Levy sees that as more of a ‘risk’ than wages.

Also Jose & Conte we’re such big names Levy will have thought they were low risk, in actual fact I think slot would be lower risk as he’s a far better fit for our club!

 

[Trix]

I can fully understand why Spurs might not want to push for Slot IF it were going to cost a shed load of money. I’m not sure how many on here truly believed he would be a 100% success. Yes, I know no one is that but if it’s seen as a bit of a creative appointment then it might have been risky. Make no mistake Maureen and Conte were not cheap.

Slot would have cost more in compensation than a years wages for Conte. Then there's his wages and his staff. Let's not forget Levy paid what he did to Conte and Jose because he saw them as sure things. He's not paying out big money for a project manager in the same way, not imo anyway.