Ollie Tanner

[WhiteStripe]

Only as far as the company and the CEO decide.

In this case, the company (the club) has decided that previous behaviour can be addressed and would not disqualify the player - hence the attempt to sign him. What is your point?

You have no idea what the situation is with the company (the club). For all you know the tweets being highlighted at this point have changed the clubs mind, however to save the young chaps reputation being tarnished any further, have allowed the current narrative to come out. Absolutely anything could be the case.

My point however, was that this is no different to how things can happen anywhere else. Like you, I don’t believe that mistakes of the past should be punished indefinitely, and I hope the lad learns from this moving forward. However, I do believe that kids nowadays need to learn that there can be consequences. You know, the old adage of “think twice, act once”.

 

[Cel]

Only as far as the company and the CEO decide.

In this case, the company (the club) has decided that previous behaviour can be addressed and would not disqualify the player - hence the attempt to sign him. What is your point?

The kid learns a life lesson. If he wants to be a professional footballer, and be paid more money that most will ever dream of, he needs to be able to control himself in public or it will limit his opportunities. It's the trade off for the fame and fortune - may not be 100% fair, but true none-the-less. FWIW I reckon chances are it wont stop him overall, sure he'll get a move somewhere else, where them same level of fan 'intelligence' will love him for those posts and he'll be a mini hero for turning down spurs after slagging Kane....which is worse imo, but there we go.

 

[JacoZA]

You have no idea what the situation is with the company (the club). For all you know the tweets being highlighted at this point have changed the clubs mind, however to save the young chaps reputation being tarnished any further, have allowed the current narrative to come out. Absolutely anything could be the case.

My point however, was that this is no different to how things can happen anywhere else. Like you, I don’t believe that mistakes of the past should be punished indefinitely, and I hope the lad learns from this moving forward. However, I do believe that kids nowadays need to learn that there can be consequences. You know, the old adage of “think twice, act once”.

I do often like to highlight that we all have these debates on incomplete knowledge, so I am happy to leave it at that. We mostly agree on the core issue here.

 

[chrissivad]

I have been trying to remember who he reminds me of over the last few days....

Ivar the Boneless, and he was a ****

 

[Snarfalicious]

Yves Bissouma: *possibly* a dirtbag sexual assaulter - let’s take him on loan while the whole sexual assault stuff works itself out. He’s very good, I can look past it.

Ollie Tanner: posts some SpongeBob pictures making fun of Harry Kane - fuck him, not a chance. Also, have you seen the kid? No way. No sir. I’m out!

It’s a bit weird, right?

 

[chrissivad]

Yves Bissouma: *possibly* a dirtbag sexual assaulter - let’s take him on loan while the whole sexual assault stuff works itself out. He’s very good, I can look past it.

Ollie Tanner: posts some SpongeBob pictures making fun of Harry Kane - fuck him, not a chance. Also, have you seen the kid? No way. No sir. I’m out!

It’s a bit weird, right?

It's very weird....
Also thinking it's fine to give abuse to someone because they 'deserve it'

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

If our transfer policy becomes don’t sign players who ever said stupid shit on twitter when they were 16 years old, we’d never sign anyone.

I’d imagine he’s grown up a lot since then and is buzzing at the idea of trading non-league football in to play for us.

When I was that age, professional comics were making jokes about niggers, queers and spastics. When he was that age, even 10-year olds knew better. And he deliberately created and published that, it's not like an off-the-cuff comment to his mates. Makes me think he's as thick as pigshit.

 

[Albertbarich]

This is from the Lewes manager.

 

[JacoZA]

I think it's worth remembering that only a few months before Tanner posted those tweets, a 31-year old Hugo Lloris was caught driving over the limit. He showed remorse, and rightly it has not been held against him.

 

[Spursberg]

Relax, bullet dodged, when you are 19 and not been around a big club yet, you will probably end like Dele Alli or Ndombele, huge talents but can not adjust fully to the professional level. After they get the smell of money and start having a hard time they'll just fall of and spend their money and think back to the time they played in the lower league and ate chips and drank a beer after their game

 

[Harrier]

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He does have that dodgy ‘trying to be too cool Roger Moore eyebrow’ thing going on.

Definitely bullet dodged! ?

If we’ve learnt anything, I hope we now have someone tunnelling down on prospective transfers’ social media history.

 

[sausage]

So, players have to be decent human beings but fans don’t have to?

And these fans are allowed to police the players on this behavior, even though they themselves do not have to display said behavior?

EDIT - added: And any infringement is to be punished indefinitely without hope.

What you're failing to see the difference between is this:

"So staff have to wear uniform and be polite, but customers don't have to be?"

You couldn't excuse an employee turning up to work drunk at a restaurant just because all the customers are.
I don't know you're missing the mark to try and make a point, or whether you really don't get the different between the behaviour of a footballer - who kids look up to and are influenced by - and some randomer on the internet who is just one of many faceless consumers.

 

[sausage]

Yves Bissouma: *possibly* a dirtbag sexual assaulter - let’s take him on loan while the whole sexual assault stuff works itself out. He’s very good, I can look past it.

Ollie Tanner: posts some SpongeBob pictures making fun of Harry Kane - fuck him, not a chance. Also, have you seen the kid? No way. No sir. I’m out!

It’s a bit weird, right?

FWIW, I haven't seen anyone suggest that unless they've posted it since I've been offline. I don't think it's the same people, so there's not really any validity.
Also, as much as I strangely have to reiterate it - this wasn't just a lad posting spongebob pictures, I also took exception to his on-field behaviour, as I wouldn't want us to sign players who also violent on the pitch - I think it'd be pretty weird for people to rant about how we ignored the warning signs with Ndombele, but then brush off other warning signs on other players.

I would also add, even though I've not said we should sign Bissouma (and I wouldn't want us to), that actually doing something (evidenced) and being accused of something isn't equivalent.

 

[JacoZA]

What you're failing to see the difference between is this:

"So staff have to wear uniform and be polite, but customers don't have to be?"

You couldn't excuse an employee turning up to work drunk at a restaurant just because all the customers are.
I don't know you're missing the mark to try and make a point, or whether you really don't get the different between the behaviour of a footballer - who kids look up to and are influenced by - and some randomer on the internet who is just one of many faceless consumers.

Oh no - I do get the point you're trying to make. I simply disagree with it.

Expecting basic decency from a player, yet not being willing to hold yourself to the same standard is pretty blatant hypocrisy. You don't get to be a c*** simply because you're in a crowd/not famous.

 

[sausage]

Oh no - I do get the point you're trying to make. I simply disagree with it.

Expecting basic decency from a player, yet not being willing to hold yourself to the same standard is pretty blatant hypocrisy. You don't get to be a c*** simply because you're in a crowd/not famous.

It's not hypocrisy though is it? I'm not kicking players in the face and abusing Harry Kane on twitter. I don't think there's many people that are. If your kids are going to idolise these lads, then the very least you can expect is for them to pass as half decent humans, rather than mocking people for how they talk or being ableist.
I'm not even sure who on here you're accusing of not having basic decency, but it's a really lazy deflection.

The biggest thing about football, though, is that the tribalism is supposed to be a bit of a facade. Lads who play for rival clubs will commonly get along great when on International Duty or in their personal lives. There's clearly an issue with younger players if the likes of Harvey Elliot and this lad think it's perfectly fine to mock the national team captain.

I expect that you'd find the same level of criticism on here as to what this had has had, from anyone doing the same - I don't know why you're suggesting otherwise - but it's disingenuous to compare the conduct of a fan to the conduct of a player, regardless.

 

[bigfrooj]

This thread has gone strange. The self-righteous indignation because he kicked out at a player? Dave Mackay, Graham Roberts, Mauricio Taricco, Gazza, Dele Alli, even the angelic Sonny were or are capable of that along with dozens more of our heroes. Ridiculous, it’s all part of the game

 

[chrisd2k]

It's very weird....
Also thinking it's fine to give abuse to someone because they 'deserve it'

Winner winner chicken dinner. People passing judgement on others based on what I've seen in here perhaps need to look closer to home

 

[JacoZA]

It's not hypocrisy though is it? I'm not kicking players in the face and abusing Harry Kane on twitter. I don't think there's many people that are. If your kids are going to idolise these lads, then the very least you can expect is for them to pass as half decent humans, rather than mocking people for how they talk or being ableist.
I'm not even sure who on here you're accusing of not having basic decency, but it's a really lazy deflection.

The biggest thing about football, though, is that the tribalism is supposed to be a bit of a facade. Lads who play for rival clubs will commonly get along great when on International Duty or in their personal lives. There's clearly an issue with younger players if the likes of Harvey Elliot and this lad think it's perfectly fine to mock the national team captain.

I expect that you'd find the same level of criticism on here as to what this had has had, from anyone doing the same - I don't know why you're suggesting otherwise - but it's disingenuous to compare the conduct of a fan to the conduct of a player, regardless.

Look - we're not gonna see eye-to-eye on this, and it's starting to feel like we're talking past each other. I don't know why, but it is what it is. I've said what I felt was worth saying, and I am happy to leave it at that. Have a good one.

 

[Nebby]

So if I'm reading this right, he turned down Spurs because he believes he's ready to step straight into the first team squad?

Fair enough; it's his call. But surely if he's as good as he thinks he is, his talent would have seem him rise quickly up through the ranks?

Football is a career path where hesitancy rarely pays off, and second chances are few and far between. Can't help thinking he might regret this.

 

[THX2208]